UFC 202 Event Thread: Diaz v McGregor 2 (Information in OP)

Wetwipe65

Peist2007 wrote:

I would. McGregor has made a complete balls of things and from an unbelievable position over the past year. The decision to go ahead with this fight is madness. Saipanne said earlier that the mystique is gone if he loses again. I would argue that it is gone now and a chastening experience in the rematch could be the end of McGregor as a serious contender in the weight class(es) he wants to fight in. Mental how he has ended up here but smarts is definitely not the reason.

Well he got to where he is, he is known around the world, unbelievabley rich, a world champion. Hes smart enough I'd say

RoryMac

Wetwipe65 wrote: »

Thought it was that only title fights that are suppose to be 5 rounds. Has there been many more non title 5 rounders?

Started last year or the year before that all headliners are 5 rounds

Wetwipe65

RoryMac wrote:

Started last year or the year before that all headliners are 5 rounds

Can you tell me of any non title fights that were 5 rounders though? I can't think of any besides McGregor

Mellor

McGregor via Submission

Wetwipe65 wrote: »

Thought it was that only title fights that are suppose to be 5 rounds. Has there been many more non title 5 rounders?

On every card the main event us 5 rounds. More non title fight are 5 rounds than title fights

Depp

McGregor via Submission

Wetwipe65 wrote: »

Can you tell me of any non title fights that were 5 rounders though? I can't think of any besides McGregor

bisping silva is the most recent one i can think of, every main event fight has been booked for 5 rounds for the last year or so

RoryMac

Wetwipe65 wrote: »

Can you tell me of any non title fights that were 5 rounders though? I can't think of any besides McGregor

All of them, most recently Almedia vs Garbrandt & Overeem vs Arlovski

Wetwipe65

Mellor wrote:

On every card the main event us 5 rounds. More non title fight are 5 rounds than title fights

Depp wrote:

bisping silva is the most recent one i can think of, every main event fight has been booked for 5 rounds for the last year or so

Cheers. I couldn't think of any and knew it must be a fairly recent thing. I stopped watching MMA for 3 or 4 years, then jumped aboard the bandwagon again last summer

Wetwipe65

RoryMac wrote:

All of them, most recently Almedia vs Garbrandt & Overeem vs Arlovski

I watched the Overeem fight and all

John_D80

McGregor via Submission

Depp wrote: »

bisping silva is the most recent one i can think of, every main event fight has been booked for 5 rounds for the last year or so

For a bonus point, and a pat on the head, who can name the most recent UFC main event that was scheduled for only 3 rounds?

RoryMac

John_D80 wrote: »

For a bonus point, and a pat on the head, who can name the most recent UFC main event that was scheduled for only 3 rounds?

Paddy Holohan at Fight Night in Dublin due to pullouts in the other fights??

darced

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Depp

McGregor via Submission

Wetwipe65 wrote: »

I watched the Overeem fight and all

to be fair that was a finish, awful lot of main event finishes over the last while looking back over it!

John_D80

McGregor via Submission

RoryMac wrote: »

Paddy Holohan at Fight Night in Dublin due to pullouts in the other fights??

Devastator

McGregor via Submission

John_D80 wrote: »

For a bonus point, and a pat on the head, who can name the most recent UFC main event that was scheduled for only 3 rounds?

RoryMac wrote: »

Paddy Holohan at Fight Night in Dublin due to pullouts in the other fights??

Paddy/Smolka def was only 3 but was Rashad & Teixera a 3 rounder again because of late pullouts & late main event replacement?

John_D80

McGregor via Submission

Devastator wrote: »

Paddy/Smolka def was only 3 but was Rashad & Teixera a 3 rounder again because of late pullouts & late main event replacement?

To the best of my knowledge, that fight was promoted to full 5 rd main event status after Khabib/Ferguson (I think) was pulled. Didn't hear any talk before it that it was gonna be over 3 rounds.

Devastator

McGregor via Submission

TBH I don't know. I just remember talk of a recent(ish?) Rashad fight that would be a 3rd headliner.....but he's pulled out & had opponents pull out on him quite a bit over last few years so its hard to remember.

Vs Teixera I'm sure Rashad would have been happier if he even lasted over 3 mins :pac:

Spudman_20000

McGregor via Submission

Peist2007 wrote: »

I would. McGregor has made a complete balls of things and from an unbelievable position over the past year. The decision to go ahead with this fight is madness. Saipanne said earlier that the mystique is gone if he loses again. I would argue that it is gone now and a chastening experience in the rematch could be the end of McGregor as a serious contender in the weight class(es) he wants to fight in. Mental how he has ended up here but smarts is definitely not the reason.

Well, I think the above posters were referring to fight intelligence more so than anything else.

For me, I like fighters who take on challenges and risks, compared to the likes of Mighty Mouse who is just lapping his division/chasing undefeated runs instead of moving up.

It is a big risk for Conor to do the rematch for sure, but I think he can win. I think it will be a bigger win than if he beat Nate first time around, because if Conor had won we'd be listening to Nate's apparent lack of preparation.

Conor hasn't skulked away from the loss. He supposedly watched the fight back a bunch of times before going to the post-fight presser. I don't think a fighter who thinks he couldn't win a rematch would have done that. I admire the competitor in him.

Mellor

McGregor via Submission

FYI "All main events are 5 rounds" rule came in 5 years ago. The last fight scheduled the 3 rounds was Evans v Davis at UFC 133 (exclude random 3 rounders over the years)

Depp

McGregor via Submission

Mellor wrote: »

FYI "All main events are 5 rounds" rule came in 5 years ago. The last fight scheduled the 3 rounds was Evans v Davis at UFC 133 (exclude random 3 rounders over the years)

that long ago? christ i'm getting on!:D

RoryMac

Mellor wrote: »

FYI "All main events are 5 rounds" rule came in 5 years ago. The last fight scheduled the 3 rounds was Evans v Davis at UFC 133 (exclude random 3 rounders over the years)

:eek: Crazy it's that long ago, would've been sure it was 2014-15

RoryMac

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Well, I think the above posters were referring to fight intelligence more so than anything else.

For me, I like fighters who take on challenges and risks, compared to the likes of Mighty Mouse who is just lapping his division/chasing undefeated runs instead of moving up.

It is a big risk for Conor to do the rematch for sure, but I think he can win. I think it will be a bigger win than if he beat Nate first time around, because if Conor had won we'd be listening to Nate's apparent lack of preparation.

Conor hasn't skulked away from the loss. He supposedly watched the fight back a bunch of times before going to the post-fight presser. I don't think a fighter who thinks he couldn't win a rematch would have done that. I admire the competitor in him.

I certainly admire Conor for taking the challenge and if he can pull off the win he'll deserve a lot of credit especially as I'd imagine to get the win he will need to show a more measured approach to the fight, looking for openings rather than unloading, backing Nate up to the cage etc all the time with a big reach disadvantage.

Conor has a difficult puzzle to figure out for this fight and hopefully he can do that but either way I expect we're in for a great fight.

Peist2007

Wetwipe65 wrote: »

Well he got to where he is, he is known around the world, unbelievabley rich, a world champion. Hes smart enough I'd say

He is an employee/independent contractor of the UFC and came along when they badly needed an english speaking superstar. Right place right time. He is a good fighter but was overpromoted and then easily beaten by a half fit Diaz. I fear for what a fully trained Diaz might do to McGregor in the rematch. Where will all the "i am a master of movement" talk be then?

Peist2007

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Conor hasn't skulked away from the loss. He supposedly watched the fight back a bunch of times before going to the post-fight presser. I don't think a fighter who thinks he couldn't win a rematch would have done that. I admire the competitor in him.

I disagree. I think his behavior since the loss has been completely childish and immature. I also think you are grasping.

Wetwipe65

Peist2007 wrote:

He is an employee/independent contractor of the UFC and came along when they badly needed an english speaking superstar. Right place right time. He is a good fighter but was overpromoted and then easily beaten by a half fit Diaz. I fear for what a fully trained Diaz might do to McGregor in the rematch. Where will all the "i am a master of movement" talk be then?

Look, the mans obviously talented. You can not forget how good Jose Aldo was, how well he did to beat Chad either. Look at his fights before the UFC. The man won't be beat in the 145 division. I agree he won't beat Nate, but you can't right off everything he has done. Overpromotion means fkall when he's in the cage

Gamebred

Peist2007 wrote: »

He is an employee/independent contractor of the UFC and came along when they badly needed an english speaking superstar. Right place right time. He is a good fighter but was overpromoted and then easily beaten by a half fit Diaz. I fear for what a fully trained Diaz might do to McGregor in the rematch. Where will all the "i am a master of movement" talk be then?

I dont remember you posting this nonsense when he was ko'ing Aldo dead in 13 seconds a few months ago,it wasnt right place right time then or there was no jokes about his ''master of movement'' comments,amazing one loss and he fluked his way to the top thanks to the ufc pr and easy fights :rolleyes:

Peist2007

Wetwipe65 wrote: »

Look, the mans obviously talented. You can not forget how good Jose Aldo was, how well he did to beat Chad either. Look at his fights before the UFC. The man won't be beat in the 145 division. I agree he won't beat Nate, but you can't right off everything he has done. Overpromotion means fkall when he's in the cage

Over promotion is extremely relevant when you are lying there in front of millions doing something you swore you would never have to do ie tap out.

I agree with you that he is a talented fighter. But, let's face it. He was put into an unbelievable position - some through circumstance and some through his talent / talking - but he has spunked it. The fact that it has happened so quickly is what i find so surprising.

Gamebred

Peist2007 wrote: »

He is an employee/independent contractor of the UFC and came along when they badly needed an english speaking superstar. Right place right time. He is a good fighter but was overpromoted and then easily beaten by a half fit Diaz. I fear for what a fully trained Diaz might do to McGregor in the rematch. Where will all the "i am a master of movement" talk be then?

Peist2007 wrote: »

Over promotion is extremely relevant when you are lying there in front of millions doing something you swore you would never have to do ie tap out.

I agree with you that he is a talented fighter. But, let's face it. He was put into an unbelievable position - some through circumstance and some through his talent / talking - but he has spunked it. The fact that it has happened so quickly is what i find so surprising.

''He spunked it''


Congrats it took some doing but you've probably made the stupidest comment on the mma forum ever.

Peist2007

Gamebred wrote: »

I dont remember you posting this nonsense when he was ko'ing Aldo dead in 13 seconds a few months ago,it wasnt right place right time then or there was no jokes about his ''master of movement'' comments,amazing one loss and he fluked his way to the top thanks to the ufc pr and easy fights :rolleyes:

I was banned from boards at that time so you'd have been doing well to notice anything being posted by me.

I didnt say he had fluked his way to the top. Considering you spend so much time in here acting as the thread's gatekeeper, you'd think you'd have an auld read as well.

Peist2007

Gamebred wrote: »

''He spunked it''


Congrats it took some doing but you've probably made the stupidest comment on the mma forum ever.

Stop stamping your feet like a child. You disagree with me. No need to add the childish hyperbole.

McGregor has completely fooked things up. Take a step back. All that domination and taking over talk, it's all in the past now. And that past was 3 months ago. The fall has been almost quicker than the rise.

Ps the "stupidest" comments in the MMA Forum would actually have to be your good self when McGregor was acting the child and cancelled the first rematch with Diaz. Now that was fooking stupid. Made a right clown of yourself there in fairness. A good laugh to watch at the time.

Wetwipe65

Peist2007 wrote:

Over promotion is extremely relevant when you are lying there in front of millions doing something you swore you would never have to do ie tap out.

Wtf has promotion got to do with tapping out? He wasn't getting out of that choke, would it make much of a difference if it went on another 10 or 15 seconds and he was put to sleep?

Peist2007 wrote:

I agree with you that he is a talented fighter. But, let's face it. He was put into an unbelievable position - some through circumstance and some through his talent / talking - but he has spunked it. The fact that it has happened so quickly is what i find so surprising.

Reason it happend so "quick" ( 8 years) is because he was destroying every opponent inside a round or 2 with ease. His talent and his personality made him extremely popular and the UFC let him do because he's bringing in record breaking money.