Price Changes 2016/2017 - OP updated 15/12/16

Iused2likebusts

Ye I got Costa in last night he had the highest amount of transfers in yesterday.

CSF

FHFC wrote: »

Intersting. At that rate he's well on for a second rise. May keep him for the Swans game too and get a possible 4th rise!

I'm still worried he loses his spot to Batshuayi in and around a Champions League game. There's not much between them so there will be rotation around that time.

Unless the Luiz signing means they're going 3-5-2.

COH

CSF wrote: »

I'm still worried he loses his spot to Batshuayi in and around a Champions League game. There's not much between them so there will be rotation around that time.

Unless the Luiz signing means they're going 3-5-2.

Chelsea aren't in the Champions league

If Costa is fit/not banned for stabbing an opponent he'll play

CSF

COH wrote: »

Chelsea aren't in the Champions league

If Costa is fit/not banned for stabbing an opponent he'll play

Hahahaha no, they are not, what am I thinking

km79

FHFC wrote: »

Intersting. At that rate he's well on for a second rise. May keep him for the Swans game too and get a possible 4th rise!

I'm now looking at keeping him and also getting in benteke
It may mean no Sanchez though .......but I need another striker close to 10 ml to make aguero back easier
Need to look at it all properly now . Hazard and Costa may be overkill

alchemist33

km79 wrote: »

I'm now looking at keeping him and also getting in benteke
It may mean no Sanchez though .......but I need another striker close to 10 ml to make aguero back easier
Need to look at it all properly now . Hazard and Costa may be overkill

It'll only be for two games assuming Aguero returns, and that's Swansea away and Pool at home. Well worth keeping both

thewools

km79 wrote:

I'm now looking at keeping him and also getting in benteke It may mean no Sanchez though .......but I need another striker close to 10 ml to make aguero back easier Need to look at it all properly now . Hazard and Costa may be overkill

I've had the two of them since the start and it been going well so far.

iroced

Hmmm... Maybe I should have jumped on this Costa wagon... I don't like him but I'm the manager anyway so in the worse case I'd have the power and delight to fire him illico presto .

Xaniaj

I got Costa purely for the two games that Aguero will miss and plan on being able to do two moves to get him back in. A bankable rise out of Costa would be an added bonus!

machiavellianme

No risers so no Mick.
Fischer's-price is the only one down

Iused2likebusts

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can see a couple of toys being thrown out of the pram for that one

8-10

FFF had literally 50 players set to move last night yet their accuracy % barely changed.

That site is unusable right now for prices

COH

8-10 wrote: »

FFF had literally 50 players set to move last night yet their accuracy % barely changed.

That site is unusable right now for prices

I checked it last night and it had no movers for next ~2 days hence why delayed playing wc

8-10

COH wrote: »

I checked it last night and it had no movers for next ~2 days hence why delayed playing wc

I was on at 12.30 am ish and I counted 50, 4 risers and 46 fallers. They change things last minute it seems. They have 15 changers for tonight right now.

fplstatistics.co.uk is the way to go this season it seems.

FHFC

8-10 wrote: »

I was on at 12.30 am ish and I counted 50, 4 risers and 46 fallers. They change things last minute it seems. They have 15 changers for tonight right now.

fplstatistics.co.uk is the way to go this season it seems.

Agree. The way FFF operate based on % change per hour is no good. Earlier in the evening on say a Friday, when loads are making transfers the projection based on the current hourly rate is grossly innacurate.

A simple % to a drop is more straightforward and less misleading.

PARlance

FHFC wrote: »

Agree. The way FFF operate based on % change per hour is no good. Earlier in the evening on say a Friday, when loads are making transfers the projection based on the current hourly rate is grossly innacurate.

A simple % to a drop is more straightforward and less misleading.

Wouldn't agree with that. They clearly haven't got it working this year but it was decent last year (definitely not grossly innacurate) and very useful in identifying fast risers / fallers. If someone is being shipped out in numbers, they could be -70% to a drop in the evening and in danger of dropping that night. It gives you a warning that you don't get from a static % to drop gives.

As with all of those sites, it's best to monitor them frequently yourself. I used Fplstatistics and FFF in conjunction last year.

iroced

Again I'm gonna hammer home my message towards FPL towers to once and for all halt this randomic useless stupid obscurantism (*) about price changes and run the price predictions themselves! It'll be clear(er). It'll be easy(er). It'll be transparent. The masses will either be happy or will not realise any difference. And the price prediction sites will talk a lot more about the game itself à la FFS. It'd be a win-win situation. It's beyond me why they can't get it. There's ab-so-lu-te-ly zero benefit to the current situation.


(*) At this level I'm sure they have some kinda naked rites where they worship their secret formula in trance laughing out hellishly at our poor miserable little souls sweating quavery around 2:00 am every day asking the FPL Gods "Will Townsend hold? Will Sanchez rise? Won't I be £0.2m short in the near future if I don't go for it now? But what if Alexis injures himself in South America? Oh nooo please God help me" ...

alchemist33

iroced wrote: »

Again I'm gonna hammer home my message towards FPL towers to once and for all halt this randomic useless stupid obscurantism (*) about price changes and run the price predictions themselves! It'll be clear(er). It'll be easy(er). It'll be transparent. The masses will either be happy or will not realise any difference. And the price prediction sites will talk a lot more about the game itself à la FFS. It'd be a win-win situation. It's beyond me why they can't get it. There's ab-so-lu-te-ly zero benefit to the current situation.


(*) At this level I'm sure they have some kinda naked rites where they worship their secret formula in trance laughing out hellishly at our poor miserable little souls sweating quavery around 2:00 am every day asking the FPL Gods "Will Townsend hold? Will Sanchez rise? Won't I be £0.2m short in the near future if I don't go for it now? But what if Alexis injures himself in South America? Oh nooo please God help me" ...

But... but... then we'd know they make their thresholds partly random/change the goalposts to f*ck up players who use the price rise sites!

manual_man

Yeah it's a pain tbh. Price changes are an important part of the game, but never knowing for sure exactly how many transfers are needed is plain annoying. Have it completely transparent and then enable app notifications to notify when a player is likely to rise or fall to take the stress - somewhat - out of it

8-10

I said it before a while ago but the system that the Fantasy MLS uses for price rises is fair and transparent and could easily be used in FPL

Gives the advantage to people who select the players ahead of time. So you can't transfer based on an anticipated rise, only after.

Last section here: http://fantasy.mlssoccer.com/a/help

machiavellianme

manual_man wrote: »

Yeah it's a pain tbh. Price changes are an important part of the game, but never knowing for sure exactly how many transfers are needed is plain annoying. Have it completely transparent and then enable app notifications to notify when a player is likely to rise or fall to take the stress - somewhat - out of it

Completely disagree, it's an element of the fun. Just like who is going to score in the next gameweek. Or would you prefer if that was announced in advance too?

Rikand

iroced wrote: »

Again I'm gonna hammer home my message towards FPL towers to once and for all halt this randomic useless stupid obscurantism (*) about price changes and run the price predictions themselves! It'll be clear(er). It'll be easy(er). It'll be transparent. The masses will either be happy or will not realise any difference. And the price prediction sites will talk a lot more about the game itself à la FFS. It'd be a win-win situation. It's beyond me why they can't get it. There's ab-so-lu-te-ly zero benefit to the current situation.


(*) At this level I'm sure they have some kinda naked rites where they worship their secret formula in trance laughing out hellishly at our poor miserable little souls sweating quavery around 2:00 am every day asking the FPL Gods "Will Townsend hold? Will Sanchez rise? Won't I be £0.2m short in the near future if I don't go for it now? But what if Alexis injures himself in South America? Oh nooo please God help me" ...

I love the current price change system. It's all part of the fun. Either you make your transfers early to beat the rise or you sweat it out as you analyse every site watching as your player teeters on 99.7%.

I do both depending on the situation and if I miss out, Welp that's my own fault for not going quicker. It's all about weighing up the risk. Just as everything else is in the game

8-10

8-10 wrote: »

I was on at 12.30 am ish and I counted 50, 4 risers and 46 fallers. They change things last minute it seems. They have 15 changers for tonight right now.

fplstatistics.co.uk is the way to go this season it seems.

For the record as of right now FFF has 2 risers and 9 drops predicted, not even that close, all listed over 101%.

Both of the risers have a positive "progress per hour" and 5 of the 9 droppers have a negative "progress per hour", the remaining 4 droppers have no change per hour 0.00%. Meaning that for them to be wrong, there would have to be a shift in the opposite direction to the trend we are seeing between now and the price change to not go ahead. Their rise accuracy is 90.9 and drop accuracy is 80.8%

FPLStats have 0 risers and 0 fallers at the moment with 1 riser and 4 droppers with a % of changing.

Will try and see again later how this has changed

km79

I don't have Townsend but I'm enjoying watching him hang on every night
We are sad people aren't we

manual_man

machiavellianme wrote: »

Completely disagree, it's an element of the fun. Just like who is going to score in the next gameweek. Or would you prefer if that was announced in advance too?

Seriously?

FHFC

8-10 wrote: »

For the record as of right now FFF has 2 risers and 9 drops predicted, not even that close, all listed over 101%.

Both of the risers have a positive "progress per hour" and 5 of the 9 droppers have a negative "progress per hour", the remaining 4 droppers have no change per hour 0.00%. Meaning that for them to be wrong, there would have to be a shift in the opposite direction to the trend we are seeing between now and the price change to not go ahead. Their rise accuracy is 90.9 and drop accuracy is 80.8%

FPLStats have 0 risers and 0 fallers at the moment with 1 riser and 4 droppers with a % of changing.

Will try and see again later how this has changed

Huge difference between both sites on Aguero. Fix have him at around 81% and >2d to rise.

Stats have him at over 99% and said on twitter earlier that he may drop tonight.

km79

FHFC wrote: »

Huge difference between both sites on Aguero. Fix have him at around 81% and >2d to rise.

Stats have him at over 99% and said on twitter earlier that he may drop tonight.

Wow that would be fantastic when you consider there will be a glut of transfers later in week
We any get him back for 12.7 or so

manual_man

Regarding Sanchez, he's been due to rise a few times already this week and his % is constantly being revised down(on fplstats anyway). Obviously a lot who have got him in have done so on wildcard, and that makes sense, since for the majority of us it would require 2 transfers to fit him in, that and the associated risks of being in the middle of an international break

iroced

machiavellianme wrote: »

Completely disagree, it's an element of the fun. Just like who is going to score in the next gameweek. Or would you prefer if that was announced in advance too?

Sorry but I fail to get the comparison...

Also you're "comparing" a priori info with a posteriori stuff.

Rikand wrote: »

I love the current price change system. It's all part of the fun. Either you make your transfers early to beat the rise or you sweat it out as you analyse every site watching as your player teeters on 99.7%.

I do both depending on the situation and if I miss out, Welp that's my own fault for not going quicker. It's all about weighing up the risk. Just as everything else is in the game

What you're saying about transfering early or waiting for the last moment depending on your mood would be ex-ac-t-ly the same if FPL was running the price changes themselves. You'd be weighting up the risk the same way. You'd just be doing it with more info in your hands.

And no, it's not like everything else in the game. Everything else in the game you know about it. You base your decisions on data, stats, etc... Not on hypothetical stuff. Then, it works out or not. That's the beauty of the game. You take risks from your transfers/captains choices. Taking risks for a stupid price change I find it ridiculous and pointless. I really dislike being forced into checking this carefully for 5/6 months (up to a time when it doesn't matter anymore).

And the fact there are no weighting factors anymore, that there are 10 times more fallers than risers is plain ridiculous.

FHFC

km79 wrote: »

Wow that would be fantastic when you consider there will be a glut of transfers later in week
We any get him back for 12.7 or so

Don't think he'll drop that far. The threshold for his drop from 13.1 back to his original price should be a lot lower that to drop below his starting price.

If he gets the first drop soon he'll do well to hit the second this week. I could see him hitting another drop the week after maybe but you'd think sales will slow off then as most who still have him after this week will be gonna bench him.