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Arrow/The Flash/Legends of Tomorrow/Supergirl SUPERTHREAD [***SPOILERS - The CW***]
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He wasn't a better character in season 1, just that he at least served a dramatic purpose - the Ross to Supergirl's Rachel, as it were. The complete absence of romantic chemistry probably helped that eventual entanglement went nowhere. He's suited in CatCo, but even that part of Supergirl has become superfluous, lip service for Nia to inevitably become another superhero.
Actually, I think that's it: the CW shows oddly have a superhero problem. Can't speak for Arrow I guess, but Supergirl / Flash can't just have non superhero characters, everyone has to be a vigilante, or adjacent.
The Flash is indeed overstuffed with superheroes in the main characters.
I don't see that in Supergirl though. They are there but J'onn, Mon-El, Guardian, Brainiac and Imra are used either very sparingly or spend the majority of time in human form. Which is quite annoying - you have a bunch of powered people who only give Kara occasional back up but if they actually did more they'd beat the villain.
In The Flash there is an abundance of powered people always there and on he mission but never get the job done.
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martingriff wrote: »The Flash big bads
Reverse Flash was not created by the The Flash
Zoom was created in Earth Two yes the reason he came was due to the breach but they spent the season closing said breaches and capturing all meta from there
Savitar I will admit was due to Barry but he did take responsibility once he figured out.
The Thinker was created by the explosion which was done by Reverse Flash again not Barry's fault. The bus metas that is on the Thinked IMO.
This version of Cicada yes on Nora and they have taken responsibility.
Again on Supergirl I do not watch so I will leave to someone else to write about
Responsibility doesn’t just mean tidying up the mess. He can try not doing these things to being in with.
Barry didn’t create Reverse Flash but he is responsible for Thawne being trapped in the past, killing the real Wells, and everything else.
My point is that the writers keep creating these world endangering situations that Barry is directly or indirectly responsible for.
Yes he fixes them but how many people have been hurt or killed as a result?
Central City would be a lot safer if The Flash retired
The writers need to use more bad guys like Caitlin’s father whose origin is not connected to Barry.0 -
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Spon Farmer wrote: »Responsibility doesn’t just mean tidying up the mess. He can try not doing these things to being in with.
Barry didn’t create Reverse Flash but he is responsible for Thawne being trapped in the past, killing the real Wells, and everything else.
My point is that the writers keep creating these world endangering situations that Barry is directly or indirectly responsible for.
Yes he fixes them but how many people have been hurt or killed as a result?
Central City would be a lot safer if The Flash retired
The writers need to use more bad guys like Caitlin’s father whose origin is not connected to Barry.
Barry isn't responsible for Thawne been stuck in the past0 -
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martingriff wrote: »He went back to stop Thawne from killing his mother then Thawne ran away and got stuck. That is on Thawne not Barry. Was he meant to leave him go and kill Barry's mother. That is on Thawne not Barry and to blame Barry is idiotic. Thawne got himself stuck and Thawne is responsible no one else.
Also whatever Agent of Liberty does that is his doing o one made him do it. I bet you but terrorists bombing on others and not the actual terrorist
First of all, chill out. We are discussing fictional characters on a superhero TV show. There is no need to start throwing insults.
If you will keep it civil we can continue.
If course Barry wants to save his mother but Thawne is drained of his speed because fighting The Flash drained him.
It is doesn’t matter what anyone’s intent is - Barry is involved in the events that lead to Harrison Wells’ murder and the collider explosion.
No he shouldn’t feel guilty but he is still partly responsible. Everything that happens comes from that event.
If Barry has not gone back in time the world wouldn’t have metas or Reverse Flash.
I never said Agent of Liberty is not responsible for his actions. I said Kara seeming indifference to the destruction when she is fighting the latest threat and her inability to see past the surface of “the alien haters” lead to his creation.
Yes he is doing bad things but his origin episode makes it clear he tried other ways. The good guys just didn’t listen. If they had it wouldn’t have come to this.
He will receive justice in the end obviously but what I just the writers to that when Supergirl falls on a family’s house when saving the world that she goes back later and does something to help.
The moment when Alex tells Lockwood that his friends are lucky Supergirl went easy on them is a great moment in the series - his reaction shows these characters from the point of view of an ordinary man. This woman can literally do whatever she wants and the government is fine with it.
Lockwood is by far the best villain they’ve had on the show. Witwer is a great in everything he does.0 -
Spon Farmer wrote: »First of all, chill out. We are discussing fictional characters on a superhero TV show. There is no need to start throwing insults.
If you will keep it civil we can continue.
If course Barry wants to save his mother but Thawne is drained of his speed because fighting The Flash drained him.
It is doesn’t matter what anyone’s intent is - Barry is involved in the events that lead to Harrison Wells’ murder and the collider explosion.
No he shouldn’t feel guilty but he is still partly responsible. Everything that happens comes from that event.
If Barry has not gone back in time the world wouldn’t have metas or Reverse Flash.
I never said Agent of Liberty is not responsible for his actions. I said Kara seeming indifference to the destruction when she is fighting the latest threat and her inability to see past the surface of “the alien haters” lead to his creation.
Yes he is doing bad things but his origin episode makes it clear he tried other ways. The good guys just didn’t listen. If they had it wouldn’t have come to this.
He will receive justice in the end obviously but what I just the writers to that when Supergirl falls on a family’s house when saving the world that she goes back later and does something to help.
The moment when Alex tells Lockwood that his friends are lucky Supergirl went easy on them is a great moment in the series - his reaction shows these characters from the point of view of an ordinary man. This woman can literally do whatever she wants and the government is fine with it.
Lockwood is by far the best villain they’ve had on the show. Witwer is a great in everything he does.
I would say if Thawne did not go back in time to kill Barry's mum that wouldn't lead to everything. Hell Thawne created himself in the future after Barry so he is responsible Barry followed him to stop him so it's on on Thawne not Barry.
As for Lockwood as I said not sure of Supergirl but what were they doing for Supergirl having to come. Should supergirl know her own strength yes as should all metas and aliens but if he was doing something that required that response then so be it0 -
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