Have you ever seen Chemtrails in Ireland?

eastwest

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It's complete gibberish, doesn't make a stroke of sense to anyone capable of a moment's rational consideration. It's funny listening to nutbars going on about it, getting themselves all in a lather looking up at the airplanes on a cold day and timing how long the trails stay there.

I'd love a list of the emails of the believers. You coukd sell them pretty much anything.

Kyanite

smurfjed wrote: »

@Kyanite...... still waiting for your answer.
Do you think that these are getting spread from regular airliners with passengers onboard or special aircraft?
@one world order...... how exactly did these chemicals cause the fires? And why are you dismissing the facts that California is in the middle of a massive drought with very dry land combined with mountain winds?

I'm not really into message boards, so my posts may have months between them. Certainly more than a few hours HahHah

I see you have a couple people here on boards.ie that troll the conspiracy threads as consideration gate keepers. I'm wondering if it's worth shouting into the wind.

Fighting Tao

So why do they bother with “chemtrails” over the sea or the middle of nowhere e.g. up mountains where only heather grows and no one lives?

Most people live in towns and cities. Surely just direct a flight over each one every week to get the most benefit!

Also, what is the goal of the “chemtrails”?

King Mob

Kyanite wrote: »

I'm not really into message boards, so my posts may have months between them. Certainly more than a few hours HahHah

I see you have a couple people here on boards.ie that troll the conspiracy threads as consideration gate keepers. I'm wondering if it's worth shouting into the wind.

And simple questions get dodged because they cannot be answered honestly.

The reason you are dodging the question is that you realise that both options are inherently silly.

Rashers

Kyanite wrote: »

The last time I saw chemtrails in Limerick was mid October 2015. I had just moved here and was quite disappointed when I saw the unmarked planes laying down criss-cross formations above the west side of ireland. Yes, I was witnessing them banking 90 degrees and 180 degrees. Not contrails.

Haven't seen 'em since.

I'm new to the boards and only a few years experiencing the irish culture.

Can you tell the difference between what you call a chemtrail and a contrail? How? Please explain.

Kyanite

Check out King Mob thinking he has a firm grip on the whole of reality. heheh

This is the crux of the matter: If these ideas were easily proven, we would be discussing it on the comments sections of Reuters or Associated Press; not a "conspiracy theory" section of a tiny message board. I'll do nothing BUT answer honestly.

Keep in mind that I'm well aware of the typical viewpoint that King Mob represents. The standard. The status quotient. Responses like that display a tendency where people locked in that perspective are not interested in reading a viewpoint outside of those representations, but would rather defend what we are all taught as the ONLY explanation of reality. You're not looking to learn anything new, or consider anything new; you just want to fight for your version of reality.

I can tell that what I know OR think will be met with weird, skeptic aggression, instead of just skepticism. Should I bother? I have given very little information and have been accused of "dodging" and setting out to be dishonest.

So, I have answered the title question. I have seen them here... but just once in the years I've been here.

Can we actually discuss what we think or know?

Army_of_One

Kyanite wrote: »

I have seen them here

No you haven't.

King Mob

Kyanite wrote: »

I'll do nothing BUT answer honestly.

You have dodged the question again.
Do you believe that chemtrails are spread by specialised planes or by commercial planes?

It's a very simple question.

Here's another, how can you tell the difference between chemtrails and contrails?
This has never once been answered in any of these threads...

1874

Kyanite wrote: »

Check out King Mob thinking he has a firm grip on the whole of reality. heheh

This is the crux of the matter: If these ideas were easily proven, we would be discussing it on the comments sections of Reuters or Associated Press; not a "conspiracy theory" section of a tiny message board. I'll do nothing BUT answer honestly.

Keep in mind that I'm well aware of the typical viewpoint that King Mob represents. The standard. The status quotient. Responses like that display a tendency where people locked in that perspective are not interested in reading a viewpoint outside of those representations, but would rather defend what we are all taught as the ONLY explanation of reality. You're not looking to learn anything new, or consider anything new; you just want to fight for your version of reality.

I can tell that what I know OR think will be met with weird, skeptic aggression, instead of just skepticism. Should I bother? I have given very little information and have been accused of "dodging" and setting out to be dishonest.

So, I have answered the title question. I have seen them here... but just once in the years I've been here.

Can we actually discuss what we think or know?

I can see where you are coming from, that the mainstream view is people dont question stuff and accept on face value what they are told, BUT
This is not a very general thing, the whole idea of and where "chemtrails" supposedly come from is quite specific,
Where would you think the chemicals are coming from? (never mind what the purpose might be for the moment)
What Ive read is that its meant to be civil airlines globally spraying something, there's a good number of reasons why this is easily undermined, aside from the the explanation of what is actually occurring (condensating water vapour from the exhaust of aircraft engines).

The reasons that undermine chemtrails are, there are thousands of civil aircraft flying, there would have to be a large network of widely known infrastructure to fill alleged chemicals and people to deal with that, along with mechanics/engineers/aircraft manufacturers employees who would know about such equipment if it existed on aircraft,

Rashers

King Mob wrote: »

You have dodged the question again.
Do you believe that chemtrails are spread by specialised planes or by commercial planes?

It's a very simple question.

Here's another, how can you tell the difference between chemtrails and contrails?
This has never once been answered in any of these threads...

The answer is very simple too. How would you know if a plane flying overhead was spraying some chemical? Can you supply verifiable proof that some kind of chemical spray is covering our streets and houses?

The difference between a chemtrail and a contrail? That's easy, the first of the two doesn't exist.

smurfjed

As an airline pilot, I actually get a lot closer to those "contrails" than you do, so I can easily see the exhausts and where they are coming from in an aircraft. So if you want to call me skeptical, thats OK with me, but I am still waiting for some proof that a chemtrail spraying aircraft exists.
Also if you use google, you will find a scientific research project that was conduced a few years ago to investigate volcanic ash in the air, they flew aircraft to collect air samples to find a way to deal with ash, there are no reports that they found the chemicals that you proclaim are released into the air by aircraft.
Can you give me the slightest piece of proof?

Wanderer78

smurfjed wrote:

As an airline pilot, I actually get a lot closer to those "contrails" than you do, so I can easily see the exhausts and where they are coming from in an aircraft. So if you want to call me skeptical, thats OK with me, but I am still waiting for some proof that a chemtrail spraying aircraft exists. Also if you use google, you will find a scientific research project that was conduced a few years ago to investigate volcanic ash in the air, they flew aircraft to collect air samples to find a way to deal with ash, there are no reports that they found the chemicals that you proclaim are released into the air by aircraft. Can you give me the slightest piece of proof?

I suspect your logic will be lost in here

eastwest

smurfjed wrote: »

As an airline pilot, I actually get a lot closer to those "contrails" than you do, so I can easily see the exhausts and where they are coming from in an aircraft. So if you want to call me skeptical, thats OK with me, but I am still waiting for some proof that a chemtrail spraying aircraft exists.
Also if you use google, you will find a scientific research project that was conduced a few years ago to investigate volcanic ash in the air, they flew aircraft to collect air samples to find a way to deal with ash, there are no reports that they found the chemicals that you proclaim are released into the air by aircraft.
Can you give me the slightest piece of proof?

You don't need proof for a conspiracy theory, you just need to have a few screws loose.

Realt Dearg Sec

smurfjed wrote: »

As an airline pilot,

Well you would say that, you're part of the massive global conspiracy aren't you?

Rashers

May we be given proof that contrails are in fact what some call chemtrails, please. Verifiable proof please.

dense

one world order wrote: »

Lots of videos around the world showing this and samples taking of vegetation showing the high amounts of aluminium, boron, sulphates and other chemicals.

Who has undertaken the research which shows all this aluminium etc is coming from "chemtrails" and where is it published?

Facebook?

King Mob

dense wrote: »

Who has undertaken the research which shows all this aluminium etc is coming from "chemtrails" and where is it published?

Facebook?

The typical format of this research is a youtube video of someone taking a sample of a leaf or something, running a basic analysis (or just claiming that one was done) and then saying that things like aluminium, boron where detected.
No mention is made of how high the levels are in the entire environment or if it's above normal for a non chemtrailed area. And there is no mention of how any of it could be blamed on chemtrails.

Realt Dearg Sec

King Mob wrote: »

The typical format of this research is a youtube video of someone taking a sample of a leaf or something, running a basic analysis (or just claiming that one was done) and then saying that things like aluminium, boron where detected.
No mention is made of how high the levels are in the entire environment or if it's above normal for a non chemtrailed area. And there is no mention of how any of it could be blamed on chemtrails.

Don't forget the videos are about an hour long, there's four of them, and under no circumstances will the person who posts them give a precis of their contents or engage in any discussion with you until you reply in full to all of the points made in them.

dense

King Mob wrote: »

The typical format of this research is a youtube video of someone taking a sample of a leaf or something, running a basic analysis (or just claiming that one was done) and then saying that things like aluminium, boron where detected.
No mention is made of how high the levels are in the entire environment or if it's above normal for a non chemtrailed area. And there is no mention of how any of it could be blamed on chemtrails.

I know.


I have a neighbour, about 70 yo, pleasant, very well travelled and seems smart, does the whole "wise old owl" thing very well in fact! Not Irish.

Is adamant about chemtrails existing.
But can't explain anything about it when asked. Goes blank.

This relatively intelligent, successful person actually scares me because there's something clearly unhinged at the same time.

The_B_Man

What does aluminum do to humans?
What does boron do to humans?

Does aluminum turn white/form a cloud when exposed to low pressure or low temperature like how water vapour does when it freezes?

Does boron turn white/form a cloud when exposed to low pressure or low temperature like how water vapour does when it freezes?

Realt Dearg Sec

The_B_Man wrote: »

What does aluminum do to humans?
What does boron do to humans?

Does aluminum turn white/form a cloud when exposed to low pressure or low temperature like how water vapour does when it freezes?

Does boron turn white/form a cloud when exposed to low pressure or low temperature like how water vapour does when it freezes?

I'd love to answer that in plain English but I'm going to have to go off on a rudderless rant about society and open mindedness to the real truth in the world.

1874

The_B_Man wrote: »

What does aluminum do to humans?
What does boron do to humans?

Does aluminum turn white/form a cloud when exposed to low pressure or low temperature like how water vapour does when it freezes?

Does boron turn white/form a cloud when exposed to low pressure or low temperature like how water vapour does when it freezes?

Id say in the right (wrong) or even any concentration, any element can do harm to animals/plants, but thats not unknown or in dispute.
A qucik check reveals suprisingly enough to me that both elements are considered of low toxicity.
Aluminium does not evaporate! elements are affected as the conditions change (think extreme heat), maybe there are effects at the atomic level at exceptionally low pressure, but Im not up to date on chemistry enough to say, turn white, maybe if you burn it, think that might be noiced on aircraft, especially as they are mainly constructed of aluminium and magnesium alloys.
as I recal people think this is coming from aircraft, if aluminium was being affected like this, there would be big issues in aviation.
A permanent oxide layer forms on aluminium of certain alloys after that layer forms, it stops, its isnt getting into the atmosphere. There arent generators pumping the stuff out. Looking at the size of contrails, it should be possible to extrapolate the quantity of material to be carried to create any chemical cloud, the aircraft would not be large to contain the chemical volume required, wouldnt get off the ground.
Its water vapour in the air.

Ipso

Unless they're homeopatchic chemtrails.

pfurey101

Its a pity that some people just don't get the fact that hot water vapour exhaust mixed with cold air produce ice particles. These ice particles stay visible longer depending on the outside air pressure and wind speed at altitude. It really is that simple folks. Your University of Youtube has 100's of videos showing what happens when you throw boiling water intto freezing air.

I have been involved in aviation continuously since 1972 and worked in aircraft maintenance for 31 years. The contrail build and durability process has always been the same since piston propeller (pre turboprop) aircraft starting hitting the right altitudes. I can even predict when aircraft will and will not trail, based on atmospheric conditions... The only thing different between then and now is there are a lot more aircraft in the skies.

Oh I have never ever ever come across a Chemtrail Control Unit (or switch) ever in any of the parts catalogues, overhaul manuals, modification cards, service bulletins, aircraft directives, maintenance logs, wiring manuals, engineering drawings or repair manuals.

Please do not insult the 100'000's that work in the industry with these silly stories

p.s. don't call me one of "them"

Realt Dearg Sec

pfurey101 wrote: »

Your University of Youtube has 100's of videos showing what happens when you throw boiling water intto freezing air.
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Dude you are probably arguing with the same kind of people who throw that water in the air while they're facing into the wind.