Have you ever seen Chemtrails in Ireland?

Realt Dearg Sec

Is all evidence for chemtrails required to be preceded by the words "I can't post a full url but look at this video"?

eoinzy2000

golfcaptain wrote: »

Chemtrails = 10 letters. 10, exactly between 9 and 11. 9 and 11. 9/11.

You know, I didn't believe any of it and thought it was all hair brained conspiracy theorist fcuk acting by people with too much time on their hands and minds that were just idle and slipping, but this. THIS. I am now convinced. Wheres my tin foil blanket?

hutch792

It’s easier for water vapor to condense into water droplets when it has a particle to condense upon. These particles, such as dust and pollen, are called condensation nuclei. Eventually, enough water vapor condenses upon pieces of dust, pollen or other condensation nuclei to form a cloud.
As we all know, there are many types of clouds that have different abilities.
Stratus Clouds (Low Clouds): These clouds are grey and often covers the entire sky, but never reach the ground like a fog would. These clouds may rain, but can only drizzle down. These clouds are created due to thick fogs being lifted into the sky.
Alto Clouds (Middle Clouds): Alto Clouds are made up of water droplets and appear as grey, puffy masses but can also appear as rolled up clouds like parallel waves. If you bother to see this type of cloud on a humid day, this will tell you that a thunderstorm may appear later on in the day.
Cirrus Clouds (High Clouds): Cirrus Clouds are clouds that appear as wispy and thin as wind streams blow into them. When you see them, this will mean that the weather will be pleasant.
Cumulus Clouds (Clouds with Vertical): These clouds looks like floating cotton in the sky, where the top of this cloud has rounded towers. This cloud can be a sign of thunderstorms, and if it builds higher, it becomes Cumulonimbus Clouds. These Clouds are way more powerful than Cumulus and can cause lightning, thunderstorms and even violent tornadoes. Since clouds are made of water droplets and ice particles clouds can warm up and turn into Water Vapor. Water Vapor is a transformation of a cloud when it is hot, and is still in the sky, just not as visible as you might think. If the water vapor is in very cold weather or is chilled up by the weather, clouds will start to form again.

Most clouds remain in the sky because the air rises. If it stops rising the clouds evaporate. In a low pressure the air rises, forming clouds. In a high pressure it is the opposite. So clouds are short living because, up there, the air moves not only in a direction but also up and down; something we don't feel on the ground.
Sometimes some types of clouds can last a very long time, but this depends on different weather conditions.

Apparently; propeller driven aircraft can leave a contrail, although i have not fully looked into this yet, so what we see in the pictures in your last post maybe contrails, but i cant answer that.

Have you had the chance to look at the video links in my last post, they might answer a few more questions you may have.

I have tried to be as informative as i can but i am sorry that you feel that even the possibility of geoengineering is a silly notion.

King Mob

hutch792 wrote: »

Sometimes some types of clouds can last a very long time, but this depends on different weather conditions.

So again, why can't contrails last a long time?

hutch792 wrote: »

Apparently; propeller driven aircraft can leave a contrail, although i have not fully looked into this yet, so what we see in the pictures in your last post maybe contrails, but i cant answer that.

What else could they be? They can't be chemtrails unless you're going to suggest that they were using them in the 40s with fighter planes, which is silly. Yet they last a long time (at least more than the few minutes you claimed).

So yea, the reason you can't answer it is because your claims are simply wrong.

hutch792 wrote: »

Have you had the chance to look at the video links in my last post, they might answer a few more questions you may have.

No, but I've seen plenty of similar videos that claim all the exact same things.
You have not provided any convincing reason that the videos are worth anyone's time. You are having trouble answering basic questions about the foundation of the theory, so it's clear the video isn't very good.

hutch792 wrote: »

I have tried to be as informative as i can but i am sorry that you feel that even the possibility of geoengineering is a silly notion.

You have not been informative at all. You have not answered anyone's point in any substanative manner.
You have not explained how you know for a fact that contrails can't last a long time, and without this basic claim, there's no foundation for the theory. There's no reason to take it seriously.

On top of this their are other issues, like the number of people who need to be involved if your theory is to be believed.
So I asked you to clarify if you believed that they were using specialised planes or using normal jet liners.
Please answer this if you want to be informative. It's not a trick question.

eoinzy2000

I have tried to be as informative as i can but i am sorry that you feel that even the possibility of geoengineering is a silly notion.

I'm not denying any form of engineering. What I am pointing out is the delusion that the government, their servants or agents, are secretly spraying the skies on a regular basis in order to adapt/alter socio-economic factors. I am also concerned that the pseudo science copied and pasted in your post that, intertwined with some basic secondary school level science/geography text book data, is seen as some argument to the ludicrous notion that you can tell the difference in chemical composition of a compound a mile away from you. It makes me laugh.

eastwest

I used to not only see but also actually photograph chem-trails all the time, then I discovered these things.....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400-Zeiss-Pre-Moistened-Lens-LCD-LED-Screen-Optical-Camera-Cleaning-Cloth-Wipes-/302231913544

Dohnjoe

Also for any in-depth questions on contrails it's probably a better idea to ask on the aviation or meteorology forum

The fact that these type of posts often end up in conspiracy theory forums hints at other motives rather than scientific explanation/truth

ScumLord

If they've been spraying this stuff for decades in particular locations I'd imagine plenty of it would fall to earth eventually. You'd kind of expect to find entire areas covered in a layer of the stuff.

H3llR4iser

ScumLord wrote: »

If they've been spraying this stuff for decades in particular locations I'd imagine plenty of it would fall to earth eventually. You'd kind of expect to find entire areas covered in a layer of the stuff.

But perhaps the biggest failing point of the whole "chemtrails" nonsense is about timing: why would the "government" or any other organization bent on some sinister, top secret plot "spray" stuff in the sky, literally for everyone to see, in broad daylight when they could do it at nighttime - not only it'd be harder for people to see the "trails", there'd be physically less folks looking up as most are in bed .

Realt Dearg Sec

I don't think it's a coincidence that people who believe this stuff have a habit of phrasing their accusations in one of two ways: 1) like the OP, who says he "feels" like this was done. I'm not sure how one can have a "feeling" that two very particular chemicals were sprayed in the air, ignoring entirely the complete lack of any evidence FOR the chemicals or any logical reasoning WHY they would be sprayed. 2) By framing it in terms of leading questions, "Why doesn't the trail dissipate as quickly then hmmmmmm?????!!!!" The latter one is a little more effective because it keeps people on the back foot, answering an endless loop of questions rather than the person positing the chemtrails actually having to posit some solid evidence or a discernible, arguable thesis. They don't want to do that because then they have to come out and say "the government (or whoever) are spraying the population to control their minds (or whatever)", and this begs so many more questions of them because it is so ludicrously far fetched. Much better to work on innuendo and implication through leading questions.

Looking back over the last couple of pages there's plenty of classic examples of this. And, of course, the classic "I'm not going to make my own case, watch this random youtube video, it explains it all, in the meantime here's twenty inane questions that if you can't answer you are complicit in this".

mcmoustache

H3llR4iser wrote: »

But perhaps the biggest failing point of the whole "chemtrails" nonsense is about timing: why would the "government" or any other organization bent on some sinister, top secret plot "spray" stuff in the sky, literally for everyone to see, in broad daylight when they could do it at nighttime - not only it'd be harder for people to see the "trails", there'd be physically less folks looking up as most are in bed .

Not to mention that it's terribly inefficient. I mean, think of the volume of air that these chemicals need to fill.

Realt Dearg Sec

mcmoustache wrote: »

Not to mention that it's terribly inefficient. I mean, think of the volume of air that these chemicals need to fill.

There's not that much air to fill because the earth is flat and covered by a dome. Wake up sheeple.

pfurey101

Chemtards need to focus their efforts on cow farts........A cow does on overage release between 70 and 120 kg of Methane per year.

There are currently approximately 1.3 to 1.5 billion cows grazing, sleeping, and chewing their cud at any given time on planet Earth. And these 1,300 pound (average weight for both a beef and dairy cow) animals eat a lot. Much like humans, when they eat, gas builds up inside of their guts and has to be expelled. (Google)

Thats a gazillion kg of methane...and what does methane neutralize?

Chemtrails!!!

This video proves it https://youtu.be/abdzGu0yQ1M

ScumLord

pfurey101 wrote: »

Chemtards need to focus their efforts on cow farts........A cow does on overage release between 70 and 120 kg of Methane per year.

Ya but all they have to do is replace all the grass on farms with chemtrail grass and then the cows turn into chemtrail ground assault machines.

kiaronh

Chemtrails are an interesting example of how conspiracy theories have responded to technology.

Remember when the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot were the favorites of the tinfoil hat brigade? Now that everyone carries a camera all the time it's getting harder to justify sightings with no proof. But chemtrails... There's a sinister plot for our times.

Maudi

kiaronh wrote: »

Chemtrails are an interesting example of how conspiracy theories have responded to technology.

Remember when the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot were the favorites of the tinfoil hat brigade? Now that everyone carries a camera all the time it's getting harder to justify sightings with no proof. But chemtrails... There's a sinister plot for our times.

Maybe..but airplanes burn fuels and exaust it out of engines. Id imagine it would be fair to say the are adding undesireable gasses to the atmosphere

Realt Dearg Sec

Maudi wrote: »

Maybe..but airplanes burn fuels and exaust it out of engines. Id imagine it would be fair to say the are adding undesireable gasses to the atmosphere

I do the same thing every time I eat a vindaloo, it doesn't mean there's anything sinister going on.

Rashers

They even sprayed the citizens and government in O'Connell Street Dublin, during the 1916 Centenary ceremonies. :eek:

eastwest

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Maudi wrote: »

Maybe..but airplanes burn fuels and exaust it out of engines. Id imagine it would be fair to say the are adding undesireable gasses to the atmosphere

I do the same thing every time I eat a vindaloo, it doesn't mean there's anything sinister going on.

And cow farts; don't forget cow farts. They're part of a secret government conspiracy to do something or other.

Kyanite

The last time I saw chemtrails in Limerick was mid October 2015. I had just moved here and was quite disappointed when I saw the unmarked planes laying down criss-cross formations above the west side of ireland. Yes, I was witnessing them banking 90 degrees and 180 degrees. Not contrails.

Haven't seen 'em since.

I'm new to the boards and only a few years experiencing the irish culture.

smurfjed

So you are aware that Ireland has free airspace rather than airways, so aircraft fly direct routes rather than each following the other, this will lead to crossing formations.
But why do you believe that CHEMTRAILS exist?

eastwest

Kyanite wrote: »

The last time I saw chemtrails in Limerick was mid October 2015. I had just moved here and was quite disappointed when I saw the unmarked planes laying down criss-cross formations above the west side of ireland. Yes, I was witnessing them banking 90 degrees and 180 degrees. Not contrails.

Haven't seen 'em since.

I'm new to the boards and only a few years experiencing the irish culture.

Here's, we call them 'training flights', but I suppose 'chemtrails' must be an American slang term for it.

one world order

Contrails are the crystallized water vapor frozen as the plane fly's in the sky, which should quickly disappear. Chemtrails are the chemicals they spray in the sky, which thicken out making the sky hazy. Lots of videos around the world showing this and samples taking of vegetation showing the high amounts of aluminium, boron, sulphates and other chemicals. This is one of the main reasons for the wild fires in the US and Australia along with the increasing numbers of autism in the general population.

King Mob

one world order wrote: »

Contrails are the crystallized water vapor frozen as the plane fly's in the sky, which should quickly disappear. Chemtrails are the chemicals they spray in the sky, which thicken out making the sky hazy. Lots of videos around the world showing this and samples taking of vegetation showing the high amounts of aluminium, boron, sulphates and other chemicals. This is one of the main reasons for the wild fires in the US and Australia along with the increasing numbers of autism in the general population.

How do you know any of that post is true?

Contrails can last for a long time depending on conditions.

Realt Dearg Sec

one world order wrote: »

Contrails are the crystallized water vapor frozen as the plane fly's in the sky, which should quickly disappear. Chemtrails are the chemicals they spray in the sky, which thicken out making the sky hazy. Lots of videos around the world showing this and samples taking of vegetation showing the high amounts of aluminium, boron, sulphates and other chemicals. This is one of the main reasons for the wild fires in the US and Australia along with the increasing numbers of autism in the general population.

I'm with you on this. The sooner the sheeple wake up and smell the boron the better. First it was Christianity used to make people pliant, well-behaved zombies, nowadays they have more high-tech methods. And if you and I are wrong about Christianity being a way of deceiving the people just like chemtrails, they better be able to prove it isn't true! Amirite?!

Miike

I'll bite. These "substances that we're being sprayed with". What are they doing it for? Whats the purpose?

JenovaProject

Is this **** real?
I live under the flight path of trans atlantic flights and also when Dub airport is busy there is planes doing rings in the sky above me(im a long way from Dublin btw) waiting to land(checked out flight radar to see what was the story)
There is contrails in every fcuking direction in the sky above me.
I love a good conspiracy but chemtrails falls flat for me.

1874

This seems to be coming up a bit lately, chemtrails
The problem with this level of nuttiness is that it undermines genuine criticism of things that do go on,
Do I think there might be suspicious and secretive stuff going on in the world, well yes, but chemtrails definitely isnt one of them, I think there have been a few instances in the US after ww2 where they intentionally exposed civilians to chemicals and that was a secret back then, and they dumped chemicals all over South east asia, neither of which is any longer any kind of a secret.
Im not happy there is flouride in the water that is an industrial by product, even though I know it naturally occurs, Id prefer to just brush my teeth rather than be medicated via the water because some other morons cant brush their own teeth, but I dont think its a sinister plot.
Do I think some things have been explained about 9-11, yes, but I think something underhand defintiely went on to some extent,

But fcuking chemtrails is not a thing, sinking to that stupid level of moronic, just means people are limited from questioning anything apparently suspicious or obvious, but chemtrails are contrails which is condensation

Realt Dearg Sec

JenovaProject wrote: »

Is this **** real?
.

It's complete gibberish, doesn't make a stroke of sense to anyone capable of a moment's rational consideration. It's funny listening to nutbars going on about it, getting themselves all in a lather looking up at the airplanes on a cold day and timing how long the trails stay there.

smurfjed

@Kyanite...... still waiting for your answer.
Do you think that these are getting spread from regular airliners with passengers onboard or special aircraft?
@one world order...... how exactly did these chemicals cause the fires? And why are you dismissing the facts that California is in the middle of a massive drought with very dry land combined with mountain winds?