Lock, Stock and Chitchat a Seacht

rangler1

Genghis Cant wrote: »

He's doing well. I get 21 days pa. Like your friend if they're not taken by the end of March they're gone. I think I can carry 5 days over. In reality I don't use all the days in fact I'd say I've never went over 15 days a year. Mores the fool me. The lads that milk every holiday and sick day get on just as well.

Another person asked me lately do i begrudge her her holidays, on the strength of this program, I'll ask her can she justify her six weeks holidays....... yes that's right, 30 days holidays.
Anyway RANT OVER

Genghis Cant

rangler1 wrote: »

Another person asked me lately do i begrudge her her holidays, on the strength of this program, I'll ask her can she justify her six weeks holidays....... yes that's right, 30 days holidays.
Anyway RANT OVER

I don't know why she'd have to justify them. No more than I'd justify mine. I mean the job is there for anyone to apply for. If you're the successful candidate them's the terms of employment.
If you went on holidays for two months not only would I be uninterested but I don't for a second think you'd have to justify it to me.

I said

rangler1 wrote: »

Another person asked me lately do i begrudge her her holidays, on the strength of this program, I'll ask her can she justify her six weeks holidays....... yes that's right, 30 days holidays.
Anyway RANT OVER

Why are you getting excited about it, it will never change when our politicians do fcuk all about it.No accountability for the way the HSE is run if there was a lot of politicians would have to resign for incompetence as well and no turkey ever voted for Christmas.

rangler1

Genghis Cant wrote: »

I don't know why she'd have to justify them. No more than I'd justify mine. I mean the job is there for anyone to apply for. If you're the successful candidate them's the terms of employment.
If you went on holidays for two months not only would I be uninterested but I don't for a second think you'd have to justify it to me.

The clue is in the name public service, after tonights program you wouldn't be blamed for thinking that they're not doing their job. 10% of the population on a waiting list, consultants financed and allowed to run their own practise along with a salaried job.
Health service is the highest cost per person in Europe and yet we have the worst service in Europe so they just can't justify any of it, salries , holidays or whatever. I can't believe that after paying Health Insurnce for forty years I am now a victim of this mess

_Brian

rangler1 wrote: »

The clue is in the name public service, after tonights program you wouldn't be blamed for thinking that they're not doing their job. 10% of the population on a waiting list, consultants financed and allowed to run their own practise along with a salaried job.
Health service is the highest cost per person in Europe and yet we have the worst service in Europe so they just can't justify any of it, salries , holidays or whatever. I can't believe that after paying Health Insurnce for forty years I am now a victim of this mess

If You have private health insurance your on no mess at all. I've had it for years and never waited for anything, always dealt with consultants, you even get to choose the hospital and consultant within that hospital. The private system in Ireland works great.

This won't be popular but I'll say it, people make their own choices too, I know plenty who piss their money away in the pub every weekend and then moan as their kid is on a public waiting list, the cost of a few nights out would pay for private healthcare but they think "it's too expensive"

Also anyone thinking it's the staff or their holidays that's the problem is an idiot, the unions have a tight grasp of the health services, large pot of members all in one essential service and all together is a dream for unions, getting change implemented is like swimming in treacle. Good managers often give up and move on or are just beaten down by the system where change is impossible.

Also consultants just don't want to come work in rural hospitals, they nor their families want to be outside the major urban areas and positions are near impossible to fill.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

If You have private health insurance your on no mess at all. I've had it for years and never waited for anything, always dealt with consultants, you even get to choose the hospital and consultant within that hospital. The private system in Ireland works great.

This won't be popular but I'll say it, people make their own choices too, I know plenty who piss their money away in the pub every weekend and then moan as their kid is on a public waiting list, the cost of a few nights out would pay for private healthcare but they think "it's too expensive"

Also anyone thinking it's the staff or their holidays that's the problem is an idiot, the unions have a tight grasp of the health services, large pot of members all in one essential service and all together is a dream for unions, getting change implemented is like swimming in treacle. Good managers often give up and move on or are just beaten down by the system where change is impossible.

Also consultants just don't want to come work in rural hospitals, they nor their families want to be outside the major urban areas and positions are near impossible to fill.

I looked recently into health insurance and for a family deal with vhi I had to pay over €4500 a year before I got basic cover for private hispitals

kowtow

rangler1 wrote: »

Health service is the highest cost per person in Europe and yet we have the worst service in Europe so they just can't justify any of it, salries , holidays or whatever.

Does that figure includes the now quasi-compulsory health insurance payment?

Are they really attempting to transition us to a private system while hoping we won't notice that we are still paying for the broken old one through taxes? I could never understand why the opposition, or a radio presenter, or someone didn't ask them that one simple question?

A private system could well be the answer - but not this half and half paying for both and getting neither.

Bullocks

_Brian wrote: »

If You have private health insurance your on no mess at all. I've had it for years and never waited for anything, always dealt with consultants, you even get to choose the hospital and consultant within that hospital. The private system in Ireland works great.

This won't be popular but I'll say it, people make their own choices too, I know plenty who piss their money away in the pub every weekend and then moan as their kid is on a public waiting list, the cost of a few nights out would pay for private healthcare but they think "it's too expensive"

Also anyone thinking it's the staff or their holidays that's the problem is an idiot, the unions have a tight grasp of the health services, large pot of members all in one essential service and all together is a dream for unions, getting change implemented is like swimming in treacle. Good managers often give up and move on or are just beaten down by the system where change is impossible.

Also consultants just don't want to come work in rural hospitals, they nor their families want to be outside the major urban areas and positions are near impossible to fill.

You must have wild nights out Brian if a few will pay your healthier insurance

Buford T. Justice XIX

Bullocks wrote: »

You must have wild nights out Brian if a few will pay your healthier insurance

When you're self employed, you would have to question not having health insurance. There would be little point in me waiting for a procedure and getting called for March in the middle of calving season. I would use the private system every 2-3 years and would be well recovered before I would even get a consultation in the public system.

It's a choice for people to make to have the insurance or not. Our eldest has braces and other bits going on and was halfway through the length of time he has to wear them when he was called through the public system.

It's difficult to argue that our taxes are too high and then want to fund additional spending in the public health system. In general, people prefer to have money in their pockets and spending it where they decide their priorities lie rather than funding a system where they might not agree with the priorities being pursued.

The two sides of tax/public services are incompatible, imo.

Genghis Cant

rangler1 wrote: »

The clue is in the name public service, after tonights program you wouldn't be blamed for thinking that they're not doing their job. 10% of the population on a waiting list, consultants financed and allowed to run their own practise along with a salaried job.
Health service is the highest cost per person in Europe and yet we have the worst service in Europe so they just can't justify any of it, salries , holidays or whatever. I can't believe that after paying Health Insurnce for forty years I am now a victim of this mess

There is that much wrong with some sectors of the public service that the holiday issue is a red herring.
The public service sector is made up of a lot more than the hse. It's made up of people who also fall victim to the deficiencies of the system. We're not a sub class of humans or anything. In a lot of cases they're people trying their best to do a job ( often a thankless job) within a ****ed up system.

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

I looked recently into health insurance and for a family deal with vhi I had to pay over €4500 a year before I got basic cover for private hispitals

Do you have cover with the army? I pay 205/month for vhi for the 5 of us. Tbh I wouldnt be with out it. My cousin is 23 he damaged 4 discs in his back before christmas, his parents stopped his health insurance at 21. He never restarted it, they now have to pay for him to be treated privately- will cost alot- as waiting on the public system is not an option

_Brian

Bullocks wrote: »

You must have wild nights out Brian if a few will pay your healthier insurance

I know couples who would blow through €200/250 every weekend socialising, and that doesn't include the ones blowing lines up their nose either.

We're with Leya, I think our cover is about €2.5k, it goes out monthly. I've seen years where we've used €30k worth of treatment so it's a good investment.

rangler1

_Brian wrote: »

If You have private health insurance your on no mess at all. I've had it for years and never waited for anything, always dealt with consultants, you even get to choose the hospital and consultant within that hospital. The private system in Ireland works great.

This won't be popular but I'll say it, people make their own choices too, I know plenty who piss their money away in the pub every weekend and then moan as their kid is on a public waiting list, the cost of a few nights out would pay for private healthcare but they think "it's too expensive"

Also anyone thinking it's the staff or their holidays that's the problem is an idiot, the unions have a tight grasp of the health services, large pot of members all in one essential service and all together is a dream for unions, getting change implemented is like swimming in treacle. Good managers often give up and move on or are just beaten down by the system where change is impossible.

Also consultants just don't want to come work in rural hospitals, they nor their families want to be outside the major urban areas and positions are near impossible to fill.

Never had a problem till now, whatever has happened, obviously the procedure I'm looking for is very popular, (no, not botox)

I said

Reggie. wrote: »

I looked recently into health insurance and for a family deal with vhi I had to pay over €4500 a year before I got basic cover for private hispitals

What are ya looking at plan f with vhi?
Get out the device and look at compare health insurance myself and wife and two kids are on nearly half that.

whelan2

The last night when one of our kids was admitted he was the only one in the kids casualty, 3 nurses and 1 doctor looking after him and up on the ward with in 2 hours, there's service for you. I know that was a rare occurence . My dad always said animals are treated better than humans in this country medically

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

Do you have cover with the army? I pay 205/month for vhi for the 5 of us. Tbh I wouldnt be with out it. My cousin is 23 he damaged 4 discs in his back before christmas, his parents stopped his health insurance at 21. He never restarted it, they now have to pay for him to be treated privately- will cost alot- as waiting on the public system is not an option

Yeah the army covers for now but what does your plan cover

Reggie.

I said wrote: »

What are ya looking at plan f with vhi?
Get out the device and look at compare health insurance myself and wife and two kids are on nearly half that.

Ah it was just a quick look really. Never did any real research onto it

TITANIUM.

rangler1 wrote: »

Never had a problem till now, whatever has happened, obviously the procedure I'm looking for is very popular, (no, not botox)

Tummy tuck?

I said

rangler1 wrote: »

Never had a problem till now, whatever has happened, obviously the procedure I'm looking for is very popular, (no, not botox)

the medical card while great has a lot to do with the system backlog from doctors surgeries the ones who want a chat,the ones who need a pill for every ache and pain.Which leads to A+Es full of drunkards taking up space at the weekends any more so in the cities and those who won't go to the doctors and head straight into A+E.Start charging medical card holders a small fee ar doctors and A+Es at registration and the non genuine cases will think twice about going to them.

I said

Reggie. wrote: »

Ah it was just a quick look really. Never did any real research onto it

Well get looking into that last statement you made would put people off from looking into at all.
Most people don't bother their arses to look and follow the crowd how many on here would see you and the 4,500 and assume that cover is savage expensive without even checking it out for themselve.

darragh_haven

I said wrote: »

Well get looking into that last statement you made would put people off from looking into at all.
Most people don't bother their arses to look and follow the crowd how many on here would see you and the 4,500 and assume that cover is savage expensive without even checking it out for themselve.

I change our policy almost every year using the price plan health insurance website. Myself and the missus, and 2 kids started off at €1800 a few years ago, and was going to be €2600 this year. Choped and changed a few things, more or less the same cover is back down to €1900

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

Yeah the army covers for now but what does your plan cover

Ours is complicated as oh has health issues.

Buford T. Justice XIX

rangler1 wrote: »

Never had a problem till now, whatever has happened, obviously the procedure I'm looking for is very popular, (no, not botox)

Thanks for that, gave me a good laugh this morning and was well needed:D

Water John

There is also the process whereby, you can get procedures done abroad and then get the HSE to reinburse you. It's an EU thing, don't have the details. Some one else may be able to fill in on it.
NTPF by its nature buys services from the private hospital sector.

CHOPS01

Was just in the shop there. Two guards in front of me. Male and female both early to mid 30's. Don't know why but kinda surprised me when both bought fags.

I said

darragh_haven wrote: »

I change our policy almost every year using the price plan health insurance website. Myself and the missus, and 2 kids started off at €1800 a few years ago, and was going to be €2600 this year. Choped and changed a few things, more or less the same cover is back down to €1900

Same as that keep ahead of it,is the mater private or other private hospitals near enough to ya to justify having them in the policies in the first place.
If not leave them out and the premium reduces

pedigree 6

I was listening to a piece on Pigeon fancying on the radio.

It reminded me of when a pigeon turned up at our place.
My mother was painting a wall and this pigeon just walks up to her, brave as you like.
Anyway she calls me over. So I caught the pigeon with a bit of barley.

I then noticed it had a ring on its leg.
I put the pigeon into a horsebox with some hen food and water.
So I looked up on the net and found the (pigeon association? ).
I entered the number on its leg on the site.
So anyway the next day I got a phonecall from someone in Belfast asking about the pigeon.
So he said to leave it a few days and then let him off. We did that and he wouldn't leave the place.
Caught it again and the next day drove up to Bagnelstown, Carlow and let it off.
The next morning the pigeon was back wandering around the yard again.

We were starting to panic a bit and thought we would be stuck with a pigeon.
So put it back in the horsebox as it would be too easy prey for the cats or dog.
Then the next morning I just left the door of the horsebox open to see what would happen. It flew out and up into a tree.
"Right so that's it we're stuck with a pigeon" we thought.

Anyway about 3 o' clock I got a call from your man in Belfast saying that the pigeon was just after arriving. I couldn't believe it.
The pigeon was let off in Watford, England in a race and landed in Wexford for a rest and eventually made it back up to Belfast.

Great little birds.:)

Nekarsulm

There is s lad from the North has set up a coop (would you call it?) on a bit of land near us. Seemingly it suits the route the lorry takes, running between Antrim and West Cork, where a lot of races seem to start from.
If they are released in Cork at noon, owners in Fermanagh would be expecting them about 3pm. You wouldn't drive it as quick, anyway!
He values each of his around 1000 euro!

pedigree 6

1000 Euro!! :

I'm in the wrong business.

Reggie.

I said wrote: »

Well get looking into that last statement you made would put people off from looking into at all.
Most people don't bother their arses to look and follow the crowd how many on here would see you and the 4,500 and assume that cover is savage expensive without even checking it out for themselve.

Well you have to wonder why it's so expensive on thier Web page but more value on a comparison site. Many people wouldn't go more than the main home page anyways