German activist lied about sex assault by Arab men to avoid fueling racism

FrJGHackett

The national spokeswoman of Germany’s left-wing youth movement Solid has reportedly admitted that she lied to police about the ethnicity of three men who allegedly sexually assaulted her, because she was afraid of fueling racism against refugees.

Selin Goren, 24, told police in January that she was robbed by three men in Mannheim, where she works as a refugee activist, the Daily Mail reported.

Ms. Goren told officers that the men were a “mixed group” of foreigners and locals who were speaking German. After her initial interview, she returned to the police 12 hours later to tell them that she was sexually assaulted by the men who were of “Arab appearance” and speaking either Kurdish or Farsi.

www. washingtontimes. com /news/2016/jul/5/selin-goren-german-activist-lied-about-sex-assault/

So afraid of appearing racist that she lied to police to protect her attackers.
Let that sink in. She was so afraid of being racist that she lied to the police to protect her the men who attacked her to protect them.

That's how you know that political correctness has gone way too far: when it gets in the way of the truth.

hatrickpatrick

That's just unimaginably f*cked up. This is the kind of fascist sh!te which caused Brexit to pass and which is fuelling Donald Trump's juggernaut.

When did the liberal left I grew up with become the authoritarian left of today?

The Backwards Man

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's just unimaginably f*cked up. This is the kind of fascist sh!te which caused Brexit to pass and which is fuelling Donald Trump's juggernaut.

When did the liberal left I grew up with become the authoritarian left of today?

You support Brexit and Donald Trump because a woman you have never met changed her statement to the police 12 hours after she first made it?

Now that's fcuked up.

Sonics2k

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You support Brexit and Donald Trump because a woman you have never met changed her statement to the police 12 hours after she first made it?

Now that's fcuked up.

He literally said neither of those things though.

selastich2

this is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time

tomwaterford

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's just unimaginably f*cked up. This is the kind of fascist sh!te which caused Brexit to pass and which is fuelling Donald Trump's juggernaut.

When did the liberal left I grew up with become the authoritarian left of today?

I don't see how any of this is authoritarian???


A level of naivety displayed by this wan is something unreal

hatrickpatrick

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You support Brexit and Donald Trump because a woman you have never met changed her statement to the police 12 hours after she first made it?

Now that's fcuked up.

Ah, another fascist tactic: Understanding the cause behind a political phenomenon automatically means supporting it?

I suppose I'm only a legitimate opponent of Trump or Brexit if I automatically assume that all of their supporters fit the racist, stupid, pig headed stereotype pushed by the authoritarians, right?

The_Kew_Tour

People seemed surprised? The fact that mass assaults happened throughout Europe on NYE and took days for it to be put to press should been the eye opener

Winterlong

The woman is a nut job.

But sure lets blame the limp wristed liberal leftie PC brigade anyway.

hatrickpatrick

tomwaterford wrote: »

I don't see how any of this is authoritarian???


A level of naivety displayed by this wan is something unreal

Authoritarianism is stifling people's speech through harassment and straw man attacks, like how seemingly anyone who brings this up is automatically a racist in the eyes of many.

The Backwards Man

Sonics2k wrote: »

He literally said neither of those things though.

Well, why did he bring them up then?

The Backwards Man

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Authoritarianism is stifling people's speech through harassment and straw man attacks, like how seemingly anyone who brings this up is automatically a racist in the eyes of many.

You brought up two movements that racists are only too happy to get behind, and you're accusing others of strawmanning?

:pac:

Winterlong

Winterlong wrote: »

The woman is a nut job.

But sure lets blame the limp wristed liberal leftie PC brigade anyway.

She may not be a nutjob. She may be so traumatised by the whole incident that she reframed it in a way that made it easier to cope with, and stayed with that narrative until she'd stabilised enough to confront the facts.

People can behave in difficult to understand ways when they're acutely distressed.

Shint0

I'm going to look at this from a slightly different perspective. When someone is the victim of a crime there can sometimes be shame, guilt, confusion or denial that perhaps they brought it on themselves especially where it might involve someone they care about or in this case a cause which the victim believed in or cared about.

This would be quite common in domestic abusive relationships as a reluctance to report an assault. The accompanying sense of shame to admit that perhaps they backed the wrong horse or the rescue dog they took in off the street and lovingly cared for ended up biting them. Interesting to see that she did change or statement afterwards.

tomwaterford

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Authoritarianism is stifling people's speech through harassment and straw man attacks, like how seemingly anyone who brings this up is automatically a racist in the eyes of many.

No one stiflied her only herself?

ceadaoin.

Winterlong wrote: »

The woman is a nut job.

But sure lets blame the limp wristed liberal leftie PC brigade anyway.

How is she a "nut job"? Get a grip ffs. She has been the victim of a violent crime. People in shock don't always act rationally.

Tasden

I only read the op not the article, but is it not that she didn't want to fuel racism in others? Not that she didn't want to be viewed as a racist herself. Too many negatives in that sentence.

mynamejeff

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's just unimaginably f*cked up. This is the kind of fascist sh!te which caused Brexit to pass and which is fuelling Donald Trump's juggernaut.

When did the liberal left I grew up with become the authoritarian left of today?

the instant that they came to power of course .......

Sand

Stories like these do nothing to dissuade the immense distrust people have in the media and politicians. When you have a political activist so committed to a certain narrative that she will lie about being attacked herself, it demonstrates how extreme some of the trendy right on groups and ideologies are. Its like something out of 1984.

Winterlong

ceadaoin. wrote: »

How is she a "nut job"? Get a grip ffs. She has been the victim of a violent crime. People in shock don't always act rationally.

Why would she report an alleged crime and give the police false information about the identities of the alleged attackers?
To be sure the police could not find/identify/convict them?
And thus other women are at risk of falling victim to the same people.

It does not make sense.

Agree that people who have been the victims of terrible crimes behave irrationally but this does not make sense at all.

But my use of the term 'nut job' was excessive - sorry.

Two Tone

It says reportedly so hopefully it's not true or there's more to it, but after Rotherham you'd wonder...

Its dead Jim

Tasden wrote: »

I only read the op not the article, but is it not that she didn't want to fuel racism in others? Not that she didn't want to be viewed as a racist herself. Too many negatives in that sentence.

This is how I read it but I suppose it's a bit more difficult to paint the left in the bad light with the version in the article.

Tasden

Its dead Jim wrote: »

This is how I read it but I suppose it's a bit more difficult to paint the left in the bad light with the version in the article.

Yeah so I just read the article and it is the case. She didn't want to fuel racism in others by giving them an "excuse/justification" so to speak. Nothing to do with the possibility of her being labelled a racist.

fineso.mom

Quote Winterlong [It does not make sense.

Agree that people who have been the victims of terrible crimes behave irrationally but this does not make sense at all.]

But that's kinda the definition of irrational isn't it? .....something that doesn't make sense

Augme

FrJGHackett wrote: »

www. washingtontimes. com /news/2016/jul/5/selin-goren-german-activist-lied-about-sex-assault/

So afraid of appearing racist that she lied to police to protect her attackers.
Let that sink in. She was so afraid of being racist that she lied to the police to protect her the men who attacked her to protect them.

That's how you know that political correctness has gone way too far: when it gets in the way of the truth.

But that wasn't her reason for lying.

wp_rathead

FrJGHackett wrote: »

www. washingtontimes. com /news/2016/jul/5/selin-goren-german-activist-lied-about-sex-assault/

So afraid of appearing racist that she lied to police to protect her attackers.
Let that sink in. She was so afraid of being racist that she lied to the police to protect her the men who attacked her to protect them.

That's how you know that political correctness has gone way too far: when it gets in the way of the truth.

Um no, she wasn't "afraid of being seen as racist"
She was worried going to police would add to the anti-refugee rhetoric
You even said it in the thread title so not sure why you changed it in your OP

FrJGHackett

wp_rathead wrote: »

Um no, she wasn't "afraid of being seen as racist"
She was worried going to police would add to the anti-refugee rhetoric
You even said it in the thread title so not sure why you changed it in your OP

Seen as being racist, seen to be increasing racism. You know what I meant.

speedboatchase

This has happened a few times.

Here's a Norwegian male politician who felt guilty that his Somalian rapist was deported:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1119766/norwegian-male-politician-raped-by-somali-migrant-says-he-feels-guilty-that-his-attacker-was-deported-back-to-war-torn-country/

Happened in Italy too:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/

DEFTLEFTHAND

speedboatchase wrote: »

This has happened a few times.

Here's a Norwegian male politician who felt guilty that his Somalian rapist was deported:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1119766/norwegian-male-politician-raped-by-somali-migrant-says-he-feels-guilty-that-his-attacker-was-deported-back-to-war-torn-country/

Happened in Italy too:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/

The disgusting thing about the gang rape in Italy was that the group the victim was affiliated with 'No Borders' attempted to silence her.

Two Tone

Two Tone wrote: »

It says reportedly so hopefully it's not true or there's more to it, but after Rotherham you'd wonder...

Rotheram is exactly what I thought of

B.A._Baracus

So she originally said her story to avoid fueling racism then went back to tell what really happened...

Confessions of a liar guys. I really suspect no such thing happened.

Pawwed Rig

So why report it at all if she was going to prevent the Police from identifying the perpetrators?

B.A._Baracus

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So she originally said her story to avoid fueling racism then went back to tell what really happened...

Confessions of a liar guys. I really suspect no such thing happened.

Why do alleged victims of sexual crimes always wind up being called liars on these threads?

My first post on this thread:

She may be so traumatised by the whole incident that she reframed it in a way that made it easier to cope with, and stayed with that narrative until she'd stabilised enough to confront the facts.

People can behave in difficult to understand ways when they're acutely distressed.

Is it really easier to believe the victim of a sex assault of that magnitude is lying than it is to believe she's traumatised and distressed and mentally suffering to the extent that she does and says irrational things? Victims of those kinds of crimes aren't likely to be thinking things through coldly and logically when they've been put through hell.

Two Tone

Candie wrote: »

Is it really easier to believe the victim of a sex assault of that magnitude is lying than it is to believe she's traumatised and distressed and mentally suffering to the extent that she does and says irrational things?

Course it is... for some.

lazybones32

Not only did she change her story to the Police - who've confirmed that a woman has made such claims - she's taken to FB to write an apology to refugees because of her alleged attack

"Dear male refugee,

presumably of my age. Perhaps a few years younger. A bit older.

I am so incredibly sorry!

Almost a year ago I saw the hell, which you escaped from."

Read the rest of her drivel here http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/16/member-of-german-left-youth-party-apologizes-to-refugees-on-facebook-after-alleged-sexual-assault-by-migrant/ if you want.

arayess

Candie wrote: »

Why do alleged victims of sexual crimes always wind up being called liars on these threads?

My first post on this thread:



Is it really easier to believe the victim of a sex assault of that magnitude is lying than it is to believe she's traumatised and distressed and mentally suffering to the extent that she does and says irrational things? Victims of those kinds of crimes aren't likely to be thinking things through coldly and logically when they've been put through hell.

she admitted she lied and explained why...so yes she lied.

even in hindsight , she didn't say her distress at being attacked was the reason...
you are making stuff up..

Jimmy Garlic

lazybones32 wrote: »

Not only did she change her story to the Police - who've confirmed that a woman has made such claims - she's taken to FB to write an apology to refugees because of her alleged attack

"Dear male refugee,

presumably of my age. Perhaps a few years younger. A bit older.

I am so incredibly sorry!

Almost a year ago I saw the hell, which you escaped from."

Read the rest of her drivel here http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/16/member-of-german-left-youth-party-apologizes-to-refugees-on-facebook-after-alleged-sexual-assault-by-migrant/ if you want.

She's insane. Completely insane.

Its dead Jim

lazybones32 wrote: »

Not only did she change her story to the Police - who've confirmed that a woman has made such claims - she's taken to FB to write an apology to refugees because of her alleged attack

"Dear male refugee,

presumably of my age. Perhaps a few years younger. A bit older.

I am so incredibly sorry!

Almost a year ago I saw the hell, which you escaped from."

Read the rest of her drivel here http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/16/member-of-german-left-youth-party-apologizes-to-refugees-on-facebook-after-alleged-sexual-assault-by-migrant/ if you want.

Didnt click on the link as I dont want to give ****e views but it is a bit odd they says alleged in the link. Doesnt breitbart think that all refugees are here to rape?

Sounds like someone too invested in their "cause" and the default after a trauma was to cling to everything they'd spent several years convincing themselves was right. There's plenty of them about.

FrJGHackett

Candie wrote: »

Why do alleged victims of sexual crimes always wind up being called liars on these threads?

Because she admitted lying?

lazybones32

Its dead Jim wrote: »

Didnt click on the link as I dont want to give ****e views but it is a bit odd they says alleged in the link. Doesnt breitbart think that all refugees are here to rape?

The link is to show I'm not making it up. I'd rather not have to add links but that seems to be the burden of proof nowadays.

Until the polizei say otherwise, it is an alleged sexual assault. Sexual assault is an umbrella term, so we don't know what allegedly happened - could be something serious, could be something like an ass-grab or cat-calling

B.A._Baracus

Candie wrote: »

Why do alleged victims of sexual crimes always wind up being called liars on these threads?

Can't speak for anyone else or any other allegation but when someones story changes and the reason for it changing sounds far fetched it usually indicates lies.

Think of it this way, say I went to the police about getting attacked. Not sexually just attacked. Now later I change my story because I was worried about racially fueling the fire but now I'm telling the truth... I wasn't before. Don't you think the guard in question won't think to himself/herself that I very well may be just making this whole thing up?

Two Tone

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

She's insane. Completely insane.

This is inane. Completely inane.

tomwaterford

tomwaterford wrote: »

No one stiflied her only herself?

I think that the point is that she felt that she had to avoid being "racist" when she reported the crime, as a result of the social engineering that has gone one in recent years.
You can't call a spade a spade anymore as it isn't considered PC!

lazybones32

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that the point is that she felt that she had to avoid being "racist" when she reported the crime, as a result of the social engineering that has gone one in recent years.
You can't call a spade a spade anymore as it isn't considered PC!

Where did you pull this crap out of?

The point is: she allegedly suffered an assault, went to police and gave false information because her priorities are somewhat arseways. You, without knowing her, have decided to speak on her behalf and blame society for her failure. A small bit of cop-on wouldn't go astray...

Two Tone

It's an absolutely infuriating, bewildering, frustrating thing when crimes are downplayed due to the community from which those who commit them hail... however saying she's insane - brings nothing to the table and best left to the professionals.

She's hair pullingly frustrating and possibly messed up after an assault (if it took place) but there's little to no evidence that she has actually lost her mind.

lazybones32

lazybones32 wrote: »

Where did you pull this crap out of?

The point is: she allegedly suffered an assault, went to police and gave false information because her priorities are somewhat arseways. You, without knowing her, have decided to speak on her behalf and blame society for her failure. A small bit of cop-on wouldn't go astray...

Yes it would, look at the story!

Two Tone

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You support Brexit and Donald Trump because a woman you have never met changed her statement to the police 12 hours after she first made it?

Where did he say or indicate he supports Brexit and Donald Trump at all, let alone because of this woman?

RDM_83 again

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You support Brexit and Donald Trump because a woman you have never met changed her statement to the police 12 hours after she first made it?

Now that's fcuked up.

I remember you got red carded a few years ago for your reply about a crime in Dublin (AFAIK it was a rape as well) because you didn't like the narrative it put out.
Trying to divert the thread like this is just blatantly obvious and it doesn't make you a "good" person it makes you seem like someone that will excuse anything.

PS Mods if your going to card me for this look at the persons infraction record and you should spot it fairly easily - plenty of other posters get pulled on the way they post in the past by users without sanction.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that the point is that she felt that she had to avoid being "racist" when she reported the crime, as a result of the social engineering that has gone one in recent years.

what "social engineering" would this be? i'd love to know, as i certainly haven't been "socially engineered" by anyone.

Deleted User wrote: »

You can't call a spade a spade anymore as it isn't considered PC!

nonsense. pc doesn't exist and is a myth. you can very much "call a spade a spade" however you must provide proof from a reliable source when doing so.

The Backwards Man

Two Tone wrote: »

Where did he say or indicate he supports Brexit and Donald Trump at all, let alone because of this woman?

It was a third person rhetorical 'you'. Which addresses exactly what he typed.

But you knew that already.