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Console. Charity, Irish-style

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    #602
    Kidchameleon
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    2RockMountain wrote: »
    Could you identify 2 or 3 of this 'ton' of organisations please?

    Even the HSE disagrees with you

    http://www.thejournal.ie/high-court-console-liquidator-2877871-Jul2016/


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    #603
    2RockMountain
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Even the HSE disagrees with you

    http://www.thejournal.ie/high-court-console-liquidator-2877871-Jul2016/

    I'll take that as a 'No' then. The HSE explained at the Dáil committee that they were reluctant to transfer services to any other organisation, as no other organisation provided phone-based counselling services to family members at that time.

    But again, with 20/20 hindsight, you're an expert in everything.


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    #604
    Kidchameleon
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    2RockMountain wrote: »
    I'll take that as a 'No' then. .

    http://www.suicideaware.ie/
    http://www.sosadireland.ie/
    http://www.grasplife.ie/

    ^^ there's three that offer phone counseling to suicidal people and for family's that are affected by suicide. I'm sure many others offer the same services. That's neither here nor there though. The fact of the matter is, the HSE funded Console with strong suspicions that the money was being squandered. When the decision was made to end Console, the phone services were transferred to Pieta House in a matter of days.


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    #605
    2RockMountain
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    http://www.suicideaware.ie/
    http://www.sosadireland.ie/
    http://www.grasplife.ie/

    ^^ there's three that offer phone counseling to suicidal people and for family's that are affected by suicide. I'm sure many others offer the same services. That's neither here nor there though. The fact of the matter is, the HSE funded Console with strong suspicions that the money was being squandered. When the decision was made to end Console, the phone services were transferred to Pieta House in a matter of days.

    You're clutching at straws now. Do you understand the difference between a counselling service provided by qualified counselors and a well-intentioned volunteer.

    SuicideAware.ie advise you to contact your GP. They run a 'bereavement support service' via an 087 number in office hours. A mobile phone for office hours is not a helpline service.

    SOSAD provide some leaflets, offices in some rural locations, and emergency phone numbers for those locations.

    GRASP provide a support group for those bereaved. A support group is not a 1:1 counselling service.

    None of these organisations are comparable in size or scale to Console. Are you familiar with their governance structures, or what services they actually do provide, before you go pushing solutions that you know nothing about?

    And yes, after a couple of years of work, the service was moved to Pieta in a few days.


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    #606
    gctest50
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    2RockMountain wrote: »
    .......Do you understand the difference between a counselling service provided by qualified counselors and a well-intentioned volunteer.............


    Medicine and Dentistry is regulated by the state, via a statutory body set up under relevant legislation

    "Counselling" is not ( they're getting around to tidying this up)



    So Console.ie could have given anyone some form of cert


    Gerry Raleigh, director of the HSE’s national office for suicide prevention (NOSP), says he is anxious to see this area regulated. Although many counsellors provide a very good service, there are still people presenting as such “and we’re not sure how well qualified they are”, he says.

    They came over the hill just like ballet dancers,

    One in nine had served their time,

    The rest were f*****g chancers


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    #607
    2RockMountain
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    Medicine and Dentistry is regulated by the state, via a statutory body set up under relevant legislation

    "Counselling" is not ( they're getting around to tidying this up)



    So Console.ie could have given anyone some form of cert

    That's right, it's not regulated, but it is managed. And when the HSE had a complaint about console's clinical approach many years, they investigated and addressed it.


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    #608
    Sunflower 27
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    This scandal sickens me more than I thought it would. What a vile cretin to benefit from other's suffering. I can't believe he didn't think he'd be caught out. Horrible human being.


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    #609
    [Deleted User]
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    Was just talking to a woman when the news of the Anglo crowd being sent to jail came through today and she says to me "You know who I'd love to see imprisoned more than anybody else?" I of course guessed Ahern and Cowen but no, it was Paul Kelly and his wife. She proceeded to tell me that she was at an event a few weeks ago and at the table beside her was a lady with the surname Pugsley from Leitrim. Yes, poor Ciara's mam. That lady was absolutely gutted by what this Kelly person and his wife did as after Ciara's death she had done a large amount of fundraising for Console to help prevent other people taking their lives. She was saying how she still cannot afford to put a proper headstone on her child's grave while the time and money she spent helping Console was spent by these two individuals living their high life.

    You can be sure across Ireland many other people who did similar fundraising feel deep anger at what these people got away with for years.

    I had assumed before this that once the CRC scandal was publicised that the government had established the procedures to ensure these so-called charities funded by our taxes would be more accountable. Nothing could be further from reality.


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    #610
    Mary63
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    The State have to fund the redundancy for the Console staff too and I suppose the State paid for the counselling for the staff after someone woke them up from their coma and told them what Kelly had been up to.

    I dont think they should all have transferrd to Pieta House,not one of the twelve staff thought to question what was going on,eleven have now transferred,what happened to the other one.

    All their qualifications should be examined and if they got jobs based on the farcical suicide codology course Kelly pocketed three thousand per gullible sucker for their employment should be reviewed.They could be all highly qualified but why on earth would you stay with COnsole if between twelve of you you were owned 74,000 euros in wages.If you couldnt stir yourself to ask where was the money fundraised going surely at least you would ask to have your wages paid on time.

    The Credit Card spending is consoles loss not Paul Kellys as the cards were issued to Console and Paul Kelly will say it was his decision as CEO to say how the money was spent.

    Very very few of the hundreds of Charities in Ireland have registered with the Charity Regulator,they shouldnt get a cent in public money and have their licence to fundraise withdrawn until they register.


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    #611
    stateofflux
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    Mary63 wrote: »
    Very very few of the hundreds of Charities in Ireland have registered with the Charity Regulator,they shouldnt get a cent in public money and have their licence to fundraise withdrawn until they register.

    there are thousands of Charities (around 8000 as far as i know, and these are just the ones with charitable tax exemption). To regulate these at a guess would take a dedicated body employing at least 80 people. very little regulation will happen before this is done....

    Believe it or not if one decided to 'set up their own charity' (ie put stickers on buckets and start collecting) then organise maybe one event a year (costing nothing) they could pocket the cash and there would be almost nothing legal that could be done and zero legal obligation for financial records


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    #612
    donkeykong5
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    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    This scandal sickens me more than I thought it would. What a vile cretin to benefit from other's suffering. I can't believe he didn't think he'd be caught out. Horrible human being.
    Three dispicable human beings don't forget his money grabbing wife and his money grabbing son. I detest thieves. Bit a new low has been reached when you steal money that people who are in bits after a loved one has died donate to a suicide preventative charity. May God forgive the 3 of you. Because I never will.


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    #613
    SterlingArcher
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    stateofflux wrote: »
    there are thousands of Charities (around 8000 as far as i know, and these are just the ones with charitable tax exemption). To regulate these at a guess would take a dedicated body employing at least 80 people. very little regulation will happen before this is done....

    Believe it or not if one decided to 'set up their own charity' (ie put stickers on buckets and start collecting) then organise maybe one event a year (costing nothing) they could pocket the cash and there would be almost nothing legal that could be done and zero legal obligation for financial records

    Tell me more about this interesting high yield investment opportunity.


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    #614
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    As a matter of interest how are these thieves allowed to collect social welfare so fast. Thought there was a least a 3 week delay on that as receiptents are checked out. These gangsters are been treated like royalty. Why ?????


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    #615
    2RockMountain
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    As a matter of interest how are these thieves allowed to collect social welfare so fast. Thought there was a least a 3 week delay on that as receiptents are checked out. These gangsters are been treated like royalty. Why ?????

    How fast did Kelly get his?


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    #616
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    2RockMountain wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    As a matter of interest how are these thieves allowed to collect social welfare so fast. Thought there was a least a 3 week delay on that as receiptents are checked out. These gangsters are been treated like royalty. Why ?????

    How fast did Kelly get his?
    Has it now. Probably needs to make sure his daughters pedigree horse has enough food etc.


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    #617
    MilesMorales1
    Registered Users Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    As a matter of interest how are these thieves allowed to collect social welfare so fast. Thought there was a least a 3 week delay on that as receiptents are checked out. These gangsters are been treated like royalty. Why ?????

    One rule for us, another rule for the rest of us innit. Same as always.


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    #618
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Well if the 3 bankers got jailed this week. Then I can't wait to hear what prison sentences these criminals receive. Feel heartbroken for the thousands of people running marathons ,fund raising, door to door collections often because they are doing it memory of someone they lost through suicide. And now to see how their donations have ended up enriching the lives of 3 evil scumbags.


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    #619
    2RockMountain
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Has it now. .

    Where did you get that from?


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    #620
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    2RockMountain wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Has it now. .

    Where did you get that from?
    News papers. Radio shows ?. Could be wrong. Do you know different. Don't forget his spray tan needs to be topped up weekly as well.


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    #621
    2RockMountain
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    News papers. Radio shows ?. Could be wrong. Do you know different. .

    The press reports I saw were about him applying for social welfare and needing access to a bank account to collect payment - nothing about collecting social welfare. Did you see anything different?


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    #622
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    2RockMountain wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    News papers. Radio shows ?. Could be wrong. Do you know different. .

    The press reports I saw were about him applying for social welfare and needing access to a bank account to collect payment - nothing about collecting social welfare. Did you see anything different?
    Yeah. Possibly in press or one of the many radio shows where he was discussed a lot by very dissalussioned people who he upset and disgusted.


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    #623
    2RockMountain
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Yeah. Possibly in press or one of the many radio shows where he was discussed a lot by very dissalussioned people who he upset and disgusted.

    Sorry if this is a surprise, but facts and radio show discussions are very distant cousins. If you have a link to a press article, post it - otherwise you should withdraw this claim. How would any reporter know the specific status of Kelly's SW claim?


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    #624
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Ok for now I will withdraw it until I have time to find the reason I assumed it to begin with. I think perhaps it was on a radio show. HOWEVER I certainly will not withdraw any of my comments about that horrific man and his wife and son. Only the lowest of the low would embezzle donations given to such a charity.


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    #625
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Just wondering are you paul kelly. ????


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    #626
    2RockMountain
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Just wondering are you paul kelly. ????
    Yes, I'm Paul Kelly and so's my wife.


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    #627
    Old Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 299 ✭✭Old Bill


    Hes back with a new charity.

    Only in Ireland would you get this bullsh!t.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ex-console-chiefs-firm-to-support-people-in-crisis-431504.html

    Disgraced former CEO of suicide prevention charity Console Paul Kelly has moved to set up a company to support people in crisis.

    Mr Kelly was forced to step down from the charity in June after the Revenue Commissioners, Office of Corporate Enforcement, and other bodies opened investigations into lavish spending of funds. A decision was also taken to wind down Console, with Pieta House taking over on its services.
    Sanctuary Consultants was registered with the Companies Office on September 27 and Mr Kelly is listed as the owner. A website set up describing the company is no longer available online.
    Sanctuary Consultants, with a registered address in Clane, Co Kildare, is described as a specialist medical practice. Among the services listed on the website are programmes to help employees facing difficult and challenging times in their personal life and those with work concerns.


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    #628
    timmy880
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    I saw an article of him saying that none of the 780k that he used on the auld charity credit card was for personal purchases....

    Do these people actually believe the bullsh1t that they speak??? It's actually unbelievable.


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    #629
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,157 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Old Bill wrote: »
    Hes back with a new charity.

    Only in Ireland would you get this bullsh!t.


    His new venture is not a charity.


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    #630
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Why on earth is that cretin and his family not in prison.


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    #631
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Why on earth is that cretin and his family not in prison.

    Looks like there is a garda investigation ongoing but no charges yet.
    It does make you wonder though...what do you have to do to get locked up in this country.


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