Generation Snowflake

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Renegade Mechanic

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As good as the older generation have it now, they were the generation that paid "60 pence in the pound". That sacrifice and hardship - however much of it was pocketed by pigs - helped towards the society that this generation has managed to benefit from.

And I'm not saying anyone should have to crawl through broken glass, but the amount of people in college who's biggest problem is that they can't get pissed 3 times a week, because it'll impact their end result is astonishing.

BBDBB

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I remember when I was in college the (then) LGB society had countless meetings about adding a T and then more meetings about adding a Q, people spending hours on end (more hours than they spent in lectures some of them) being offended by the various suggestions and arguments for and against a fúcking letter. The T was fairly non-controversial, but the Q caused outrage, with half the people arguing it was a derogatory term, and the other half shouting about "owning" the term and thus detracting from its derogatory effect. FFS. How cute and protected we were within the capsule of third level safety.

So let me see, words we can't actually use

We have the Q word, we already had the N word, the T word and after the Brexit fall out we won't be able to refer to the Uneducated


I think I can see where this is going

OldNotWIse

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

As good as the older generation have it now, they were the generation that paid "60 pence in the pound". That sacrifice and hardship - however much of it was pocketed by pigs - helped towards the society that this generation has managed to benefit from.

And I'm not saying anyone should have to crawl through broken glass, but the amount of people in college who's biggest problem is that they can't get pissed 3 times a week, because it'll impact their end result is astonishing.

Yup this, I'd much rather my pensioner parents who lived through tougher times than this generation and contributed all their lives have their 370 a week between them, than see some able bodied twenty year old get 188 a week.

OldNotWIse

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So let me see, words we can't actually use

We have the Q word, we already had the N word, the T word and after the Brexit fall out we won't be able to refer to the Uneducated


I think I can see where this is going

As far as I can recall, an issue was created around non "Q" people using the word, while at the same time, "Q" people could use the word, in much the same vein as the N word is often used by those most opposed to it. I believe the theory is you can use a derogatory term if you "own" the word, or something..... I don't know. PC minefield, I find it safer to say nothing

BBDBB

So essentially I can't call someone a QUNT?

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Samaris

The Millenials (god, how I hate that term) may have some mild reason to be a tad upset, you know. They grew up in a rich, well-off country which then all of a sudden went to crap when the earliest of us were just going out into the workforce. They had their lives turned upside down, their prospects suddenly cut, mass emigration, and a constant barrage of criticism from the elder generations who, let me point out for the baby boomers, never had it so good themselves as when they were in the peak years of their earning power. Todays young adults are told that they may as well "give up on any prospect of owning a house" and this is treated as being a nasty sense of entitlement that they would even hope for an economy where they could own one, their degrees are close to worthless and now with the UK referendum, there was a strong contingent of the older generation - like the one that this lady is speaking from - who voted to remove all the benefits that they themselves enjoyed from being part of an international community.

And then they get slagged off, weirdly, not just for a political and economic mess -not- of their making, but for having the temerity to be bothered about how other people are treated in their society, and for working for a safer, kinder society to all. It'd be enough to ensure that the young adults of today became jaded and bitter and fought only for themselves, damn the rest, because they've been trodden on quite enough.

Generation Snowflake, huh? I guess I'm not so sorry that despite difficulties that they were not prepared for, I am part of a generation who is able and willing to think of others besides themselves, and even if it goes too far at times, as any ideal can, to keep trying to make society a decent place for everyone.

Keep throwing out dumb names and labels to make your children despise you if you must (for the relatively few bitter buggers that are trying to push this childish intergenerational war). I'm not apologising a whit for "Generation Snowflake"!

OldNotWIse

Samaris wrote: »

The Millenials (god, how I hate that term) may have some mild reason to be a tad upset, you know. They grew up in a rich, well-off country which then all of a sudden went to crap when the earliest of us were just going out into the workforce. They had their lives turned upside down, their prospects suddenly cut, mass emigration, and a constant barrage of criticism from the elder generations who, let me point out for the baby boomers, never had it so good themselves as when they were in the peak years of their earning power. Todays young adults are told that they may as well "give up on any prospect of owning a house" and this is treated as being a nasty sense of entitlement that they would even hope for an economy where they could own one, their degrees are close to worthless and now with the UK referendum, there was a strong contingent of the older generation - like the one that this lady is speaking from - who voted to remove all the benefits that they themselves enjoyed from being part of an international community.

And then they get slagged off, weirdly, not just for a political and economic mess -not- of their making, but for having the temerity to be bothered about how other people are treated in their society, and for working for a safer, kinder society to all. It'd be enough to ensure that the young adults of today became jaded and bitter and fought only for themselves, damn the rest, because they've been trodden on quite enough.

Generation Snowflake, huh? I guess I'm not so sorry that despite difficulties that they were not prepared for, I am part of a generation who is able and willing to think of others besides themselves, and even if it goes too far at times, as any ideal can, to keep trying to make society a decent place for everyone.

Keep throwing out dumb names and labels to make your children despise you if you must (for the relatively few bitter buggers that are trying to push this childish intergenerational war). I'm not apologising a whit for "Generation Snowflake"!

Your first paragraph kind of makes me want to sit in the corner and weep :mad: I thought I had it good.... :eek:

riclad

This is a new generation ,they grew up with the web,
100 tv channels,.social media .
they are more tolerant than older generations .
They might be worse off than previous generations
eg it takes a degree to get a good job.
even working people find it hard to get a mortgage .
in the job market you are competing against interns .

OldNotWIse

riclad wrote: »

This is a new generation ,they grew up with the web,
100 tv channels,.social media .
they are more tolerant than older generations .
They might be worse off than previous generations
eg it takes a degree to get a good job.
even working people find it hard to get a mortgage .
in the job market you are competing against interns .

Even having a degree doesn't really count for much these days tbh

kupus

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Imo benefits were cut for one reason only. To get people out of the country. It is kinda lucky that Ireland had a policy of people going abroad to work, because it is a safety valve. What if all those people decided to stay in Ireland during the ongoing recession, and it is ongoing no matter what you hear on mouthpiece RTE.

Place would be very different that's for sure.

As for the snowflakes send them out to Russia for a few months, it won't take long for them to shape up then.

ScumLord

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I'm not talking about prevalent in the past, I'm talking about basic animal behaviour. We hunt and butcher animals. That's the default state of every human on the planet. 12,000 years ago we added farming. In the last few hundred years urban people have been completely separated from where their food comes from taking specialisation to it's extremes.

If you feed a lion a vegan based diet and keep it locked in a cage away from other animal, it doesn't change the fact it's a predator.

Modern politicians may not send their political enemies to actual lions anymore but the sentiment is probably the same, they contribute to the suffering of thousands to benefit the guys they go golfing with.

OldNotWIse

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm not talking about prevalent in the past, I'm talking about basic animal behaviour. We hunt and butcher animals. That's the default state of every human on the planet. 12,000 years ago we added farming. In the last few hundred years urban people have been completely separated from where their food comes from taking specialisation to it's extremes.

If you feed a lion a vegan based diet and keep it locked in a cage away from other animal, it doesn't change the fact it's a predator.

Modern politicians may not send their political enemies to actual lions anymore but the sentiment is probably the same, they contribute to the suffering of thousands to benefit the guys they go golfing with.

More like, intensively rear them on factory farms and keep females in a constant cycle of gestation. I think your use of the word "hunt" here gives people far too much credit.

ScumLord

OldNotWIse wrote: »

More like, intensively rear them on factory farms and keep females in a constant cycle of gestation. I think your use of the word "hunt" here gives people far too much credit.

I think you're missing the point. We are predators. We may now live in cities and farm our food but it doesn't change the fact we're evolved hunters. That's the animal that we are and we've been that animal going all the way back to before we could call ourselves homo sapiens. That's the foundation we are working with.

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OldNotWIse

ScumLord wrote: »

I think you're missing the point. We are predators. We may now live in cities and farm our food but it doesn't change the fact we're evolved hunters. That's the animal that we are and we've been that animal going all the way back to before we could call ourselves homo sapiens. That's the foundation we are working with.

Oh right, I did miss the point I just took "offence"(sorry!!!!:pac:) to the use of the word hunt in the context of commercial farming, but I see your point

Kai123

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Was it not protein from animals that helped evolve our brains?

The push for early humans as mostly veggies is a very tiny minority though. The evidence suggests most were meat eaters.

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c68zapdsm5i1ru

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No, I understood your point. I was pointing out that it wasn't simply public servants who could be perceived as behaving in a way that was entitled. Private sector workers' behaviour could also be viewed in that way.

ScumLord

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There's no doubt we eat a lot of veg, it was widely available. But, if you look at even modern hunter gatherer tribes you'll find the same thing. Guys go out hunting, are largely unsuccessful and it ends up the women are bringing in the majority of the food. But these people have had their hunting grounds obliterated so it's hard to judge all hunters on these examples.

The problem with eating veg is it's not always available. Plus in stone age times they needed animals to make their tools. But the biggest thing about hunting is that the women folk judged the males on their hunting ability. Men went out hunting to impress women, bond with the other men in the tribe, figure out peaking order. These hunters had the ability to feed the tribe when all other food was gone.

scamalert

this crap is all over the place generation x y z,now snowflake
btw this thread attract vegans im out off this topic.

OldNotWIse

ScumLord wrote: »

There's no doubt we eat a lot of veg, it was widely available. But, if you look at even modern hunter gatherer tribes you'll find the same thing. Guys go out hunting, are largely unsuccessful and it ends up the women are bringing in the majority of the food. But these people have had their hunting grounds obliterated so it's hard to judge all hunters on these examples.

The problem with eating veg is it's not always available. Plus in stone age times they needed animals to make their tools. But the biggest thing about hunting is that the women folk judged the males on their hunting ability. Men went out hunting to impress women, bond with the other men in the tribe, figure out peaking order. These hunters had the ability to feed the tribe when all other food was gone.

The same phenomenon we witness in Charlies at 4am on a Sunday :P

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OldNotWIse

scamalert wrote: »

this crap is all over the place generation x y z,now snowflake
btw this thread attract vegans im out off this topic.

Why, do vegans offend you?

ScumLord

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Few of us know how to walk upright unless we're thought to, just look at feral children. If you don't train a human to be a human before they reach a certain age they will never be a full blown social human. The earliest human hunters probably didn't use tools to kill, our ability to exchange heat gives us an advantage and that's all that matters in the natural world, if it works, it works. Humans train their young rather than depend on instinct.

The fact is we hunted and were successful at it. To say we're not a predator (despite all the evidence of hunting) is like saying a dolphin isn't a good sea creature because it hasn't got gills. Or a penguin makes a terrible fish.

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twin_beacon

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Its not that anybody is more entitled, its the expectation of entitlement is higher.
Well, I doubt any snowflakes are currently in negative equity. Not being able to get/afford an apartment in your desired area, is a lot better than owing 100k more than the value of an apartment you own, not in your desired area.

wokingvoter

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Our parents probably also thought we were soft as ****e too.
Growing up in houses with running water, electricity, cars and heating.

My late mother in law used to predict that my now 18 year old daughter would regale her children in the future with unbelievable tales of how myself and her daddy grew up in a house with only one toilet!!!!

chrissb8

"You can't just say that" Yes I can, it's called a f*****g opinion. Just because you don't agree with it you take some stupid moral higher ground and espouse to me why your opinion is right and why I can't have an opinion because there is a modicum of offense you take to my opinion. Well so what. That's the point of a debate it stimulates thought and questions your opinion and forces re-evaluation. If I'm so wrong prove me wrong explicitly instead of always taking some retarded view that I'm already wrong on a moral ground/ PC crap or whatever have you. You're not offended, you're dumb.