Season 7 - Speculation Thread - "Non book readers"

tricky D

Also another hole is Ayra at the crossroads made the emotional decision to head north instead upon hearing the news of King Jon etc. The Waif wouldn't have done that.

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DeadHand

I've convinced myself Howland Reed will appear in the next season as probably the final significant character introduced in the series.

He has been mentioned too many times for this not to happen and his important role in the Tower of Joy flashback scene hints at an appearance in the main story.

I predict he will offer his services and funky Branesque powers in the final struggle against the dead. I assume he is a more powerful version of Jonjen.

His introduction could also bring Meera back into play- I feel she was dismissed too lightly for her story to be finished.

Of course, his most interesting intervention may be to reveal Jon's true parentage to him. Howland was there, after all. It makes more sense for Howland to make the big reveal than Bran- Bran doesn't seem to care about such trivialities anymore even if he does know.

Combine this with Sam and Gilly's knowledge that the marriage was bona fide and succession hilarity will ensue.

Degag

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The Hound coud be back in Kings Landing in the last episode which means that we could get Hound vs Mountain. Beric may also be there so could also have unfinished business with the Mountain.

If it does happen, I could see Mountain killing the Hound. Could also see Beric taking on Thoros' role though and bringing the Hound back where he would then defeat him.

PressRun

A lot of baby talk in the last episode and discussion about who will succeed Daenerys. I'm guessing that means she isn't infertile after all and will probably end up getting pregnant.

Whispered

I wonder if Dany will die while trying to stop the wight dragon, I don't think we will see her on the throne and the dragon would seem to be unstoppable (dragonglass against a dragon?) so maybe her death and the death of the dragon will be linked.

leggo

PressRun wrote: »

A lot of baby talk in the last episode and discussion about who will succeed Daenerys. I'm guessing that means she isn't infertile after all and will probably end up getting pregnant.

I took that conversation about succession as something else: I think Dany is gonna set up an election-system when she gets the Iron Throne, then she and Jon both die in successfully defeating the Night King, leaving Tyrion to get elected and run the realm (honouring Dany's 'Break The Wheel' pledge) with Varys at his side.

PTH2009

Could we see a whitewalker dragon attack or even some whitewalkers showing up during the meeting of the all super powers ???

Have a feeling the episode will end on a major cliffhanger

Dave_The_Sheep

I presume the cliffhanger will be the wall coming down/being melted and the invasion of the North beginning.

Similar in style to the outro of the Witcher 2 game, for those that have played it.

charlieIRL

Wonder if the NK will raise any more corpses is he passes through the wall?

Could see Lady Stoneheart as a wight? Or some other main characters that were killed off previously making one last appearance in the final ever episodes

The White Wolf

Wrong thread for the LS talk ser! But she'd be a skeleton at this stage anyway.

charlieIRL

The White Wolf wrote: »

Wrong thread for the LS talk ser! But she'd be a skeleton at this stage anyway.

Am just speculating about what's to come, no thread for Season 8 yet.

The White Wolf

charlieIRL wrote: »

Am just speculating about what's to come, no thread for Season 8 yet.

I meant should LS be even mentioned in the non book reader thread for speculation.

Penn

Interesting that the finale for this season is called "The Dragon and The Wolf". Could obviously apply to Jon & Dany, but equally applies to Rhaegar & Lyanna. I'm guessing the secret of Jon's parentage will be revealed to all.

leggo

Penn wrote: »

Interesting that the finale for this season is called "The Dragon and The Wolf". Could obviously apply to Jon & Dany, but equally applies to Rhaegar & Lyanna. I'm guessing the secret of Jon's parentage will be revealed to all.

Hmmm...is there any way Cersei could have access to that info? It'd be an interesting divide and conquer strategy, weakening both Dany's claim to the throne and Jon's claim to the North in one fell swoop...

KKkitty

What if when Jon finds out he's not Ned's bastard after all and that he was a legitimate child that it changes him. He'll feel like he's worth more than he did so goes for the Iron Throne himself.

WinnyThePoo

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Yeah but the Hound was trying to say something nice - what he came out with was that he heard it was one of the best ways to go (freezing to death). It was about as spiritual as he gets.

Throes offered his rum to the hound earlier in the season and the hound rufused saying it was to sweet.

Taking the drink now was a small way of honouring him.

Loafing Oaf

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Throw offered his rum to the hound earlier in the season and the hound rufus Ed saying it was to sweet.

WinnyThePoo

PressRun wrote: »

A lot of baby talk in the last episode and discussion about who will succeed Daenerys. I'm guessing that means she isn't infertile after all and will probably end up getting pregnant.

Tyrion interestingly talked about different different ways of succession different to succession of birth.

He mentioned the nights watch who elect an new leader and the iron borne who do something similar.

Tyrion definitely sowing the seeds for democracy.

WinnyThePoo

KKkitty wrote: »

What if when Jon finds out he's not Ned's bastard after all and that he was a legitimate child that it changes him. He'll feel like he's worth more than he did so goes for the Iron Throne himself.

I'm not sure he wants that. It's taken him long enough to accept the king of the north title.
Daenerys reaction will be interesting. He will be a direct threat to her perceived right to the iron throne.

The White Wolf

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I'm not sure he wants that. It's taken him long enough to accept the king of the north title.
Daenerys reaction will be interesting. He will be a direct threat to her perceived right to the iron throne.

You're right because we've seen enough of Jon handling the burden of his identity. Dramatically I'd love to see Dany find out before Jon.

Dave_The_Sheep

Penn wrote: »

Interesting that the finale for this season is called "The Dragon and The Wolf". Could obviously apply to Jon & Dany, but equally applies to Rhaegar & Lyanna. I'm guessing the secret of Jon's parentage will be revealed to all.

Was listening to the soundtrack earlier, there's this track from the Season 7 soundtrack that I don't believe we've heard yet in-show.

Have a listen and tell me it doesn't sound as much like a romance theme as GoT gets, Jon and Danaerys and/or/both Rhaegar and Lyanna in there too given the title.

duffman13

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Was listening to the soundtrack earlier, there's this track from the Season 7 soundtrack that I don't believe we've heard yet in-show.

Have a listen and tell me it doesn't sound as much like a romance theme as GoT gets, Jon and Danaerys and/or/both Rhaegar and Lyanna in there too given the title.

Great spot, Raman Djawadi has done some great music at pivotal points in the show including the light of the seven. Hopefully it's a sequence in the middle of the episode as opposed to the end. We need to see how some of the main protagonists digest that information.

I think Howland Reed makes an appearance at some point, his character I feel will play a pivotal part, too many mentions of him not to make an appearance.

Dave_The_Sheep

It also mixes parts reminiscent of the Stark and Targ themes throughout.

KKkitty

Right I've had some wine. I'm not Cersei btw I was just watching a theory video on YouTube and it was about Maester Aemon and did he know about Jon's true parentage. The Maesters in the Citadel have records of every single birth, death and marriage as was shown when Gilly was trying to get Sam's attention when she was reading about Rhaegar and his annulment from Elia Martell. I'm sure Aemon knew who Jon really is but his loyalty to Ned and Winterfell meant he never spoke of it.

Idu

KKkitty wrote: »

Right I've had some wine. I'm not Cersei btw I was just watching a theory video on YouTube and it was about Maester Aemon and did he know about Jon's true parentage. The Maesters in the Citadel have records of every single birth, death and marriage as was shown when Gilly was trying to get Sam's attention when she was reading about Rhaegar and his annulment from Elia Martell. I'm sure Aemon knew who Jon really is but his loyalty to Ned and Winterfell meant he never spoke of it.

What loyalty would Aemon have to Ned or Winterfell?

HandsomeBob

Aemon might have known. If he did the reason he would have kept it secret would have been for the same reason Ned did: to protect Jon from those who would wish him harm.

KKkitty

Idu wrote: »

What loyalty would Aemon have to Ned or Winterfell?

He served Ned in Winterfell for a long time. I'm sure Ned would have treated him well throughout the years. Aemon would have returned all that with loyalty.

cython

KKkitty wrote: »

He served Ned in Winterfell for a long time. I'm sure Ned would have treated him well throughout the years. Aemon would have returned all that with loyalty.

Did he? Aemon was the maester at Castle Black for the NW, but I don't believe he ever served the Starks directly?

Penn

The only connection I could see is that Ned was Warden of the North and therefore had some connection to the Nights Watch (like how he executed the deserter in the first episode). Other than that I can't see how Ned and Aemon would have had any real contact or connection at all, bar through Benjen.