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South Africa V Ireland, Third Test Build-up Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Dog Botherer


    I can't understand Ross over Furlong. Marmion should have been stuck with. Ruddock is unlucky not to start. Otherwise fine.

    Impact. Same thing with the Ryan/Dillane. Ryan would probably start ahead of Dillane due to experience but Dillane is so much more effective against tiring bodies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭andymx11


    Kiwi_knock wrote: »
    If Reddan and Healy get on, will that mean everyone who was brought on tour will have got game time. That is fairly impressive.

    Correct!


  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭andymx11


    Mr Tickle wrote: »
    I'd have faith in him. Maybe I'd rather he had a slightly more experienced midfield in front of him for his first test but he should do fine.

    It's a nice surprise to see Healy there too. Hope he gets a few minutes.

    SA will target him and righty so. How is he positional wise? Can SA kick to him all day long and we feel comfortable ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Looks like everyone who went on tour will get to play, that'll probably go down pretty well in camp.

    Would have gone for Furlong to start myself, the rest looks fine to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    andymx11 wrote: »
    SA will target him and righty so. How is he positional wise? Can SA kick to him all day long and we feel comfortable ?

    Positioning and catching high balls are very good- question marks over his tackling at times though


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  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭andymx11


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Positioning and catching high balls are very good- question marks over his tackling at times though

    Ah sure SA won't have the ball. Be grand..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    andymx11 wrote: »
    SA will target him and righty so. How is he positional wise? Can SA kick to him all day long and we feel comfortable ?
    Well he's not a positional liability by any means. I don't think i've seen him be targeted (or if he was he handled it just fine). Now maybe at international level it could look differently but i'm glad he's getting a shot.


    Also i wonder was it more of a case of Ross over Kilcoyne rather than Ross over Furlong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Will be interesting to see how TOH deals with the step up, hopefully he's to the manor born. I'm looking forward to seeing Olding and Marshall together. Strong team hopefully they aren't out of gas at this stage.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,256 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Jackson - Olding - Marshall is an exciting trio. They will give the boks food for thought.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Positioning and catching high balls are very good- question marks over his tackling at times though

    Generally on the back foot though as a FB there so wouldn't be too worried about that even if he did miss one or two. Really interested to see how he does.

    I like the 23 all things considered. We actually have a bit of impact off the bench despite all the guys we're missing. That's massive IMO. Some slight issues with the outside backs and their replacements but that's it really. I reckon Boks are still favourites but we can have a real crack at them with that squad.

    Worst comes to worst we lose the series having won our first ever game on SA soil despite missing several really key players. A few lads have stepped up. We've proven options in the centre now which frees up Payne to move back to 15. Jackson has been excellent and a few guys who were questioned before the tour (namely Murphy and Roux) put in really good performances. There's a lot to be positive about regardless of the outcome this weekend.

    Which will just make the series win all the sweeter..... :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Once Payne was ruled out the team picked itself really.

    The only calls left to make were Reddan v Marmion and Healy v Gilroy, and chances are they won't matter in the big scheme of things.

    COME ON IRELAND


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I like the 23 all things considered. We actually have a bit of impact off the bench despite all the guys we're missing. That's massive IMO. Some slight issues with the outside backs and their replacements but that's it really.

    Worst comes to worst we lose the series having won our first ever game on SA soil despite missing several really key players. A few lads have stepped up. We've proven options in the centre now which frees up Payne to move back to 15. Jackson has been excellent and a few guys who were questioned before the tour (namely Murphy and Roux) put in really good performances. There's a lot to be positive about regardless of the outcome this weekend.

    My only worry is the centres and how they're covered. We don't really have any way to secure it if olding marshall isn't working out. Maybe they'll be terrific and i'm worried about nothing.

    And you're right. I think coming into this series if you offered me a first win and some new combinations used i'd have been happy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Very annoyed that cronin isn't on the bench. Happy with the rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭BrokenMan


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Very annoyed that cronin isn't on the bench. Happy with the rest.

    He is on the bench


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Very annoyed that cronin isn't on the bench. Happy with the rest.
    Cronin is on the bench, look again...


  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭andymx11


    Cronin is on the bench, look again...

    He means James..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Very annoyed that cronin isn't on the bench. Happy with the rest.

    Ah he is on the bench!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Mr Tickle wrote: »
    My only worry is the centres and how they're covered. We don't really have any way to secure it if olding marshall isn't working out. Maybe they'll be terrific and i'm worried about nothing.

    And you're right. I think coming into this series if you offered me a first win and some new combinations used i'd have been happy.

    Earls could always go 13 and meltdown boards :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Henshaw and Payne are big losses, but I'm really excited about this. I have faith in TOH, and am really looking forward to seeing Marshall and Olding partnership.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I hope CJ is MOTM


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭kuang1


    I hope CJ is MOTM

    Not an impossibility. He is quite fond of getting things handed to him with a handshake after games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭kuang1


    I'm happy with that team.
    Will be interesting to see if Heaslip will go another 80. (All signs are that he will...I don't think the English language has enough superlatives to do justice to his relentless performances. And to remain as injury free as he has managed to do in itself is super-human.)

    Will Dillane get 30 mins this time? I'd love if he did. Ruddock too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭Mahatma Geansai


    Very happy to see Schmidt using his squad to its fullest during the tour. Its a very green backline, and the backline subs don't inspire much confidence, but hopefully we'll see another strong winning performance.

    Hopefully we'll be a little quicker/better with the usage of the bench this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    We'll miss Payne but it is great that TOH gets a chance. If he gets a bit of space he could cause SA problems. They won't know a lot about him.

    I hope it's a dry day because that midfield and TOH are all classy footballers. Hopefully they stand up physically.

    I like the pack although I'd probably have stuck with Furlong. Still he can make an impact with 30 left on the clock.

    I'm not sure we'll win but this tour has already been very worthwhile IMO with the emergence of new players and of course a great win against the odds. Hopefully we can add TOH to the list of successes on Sat.

    Just a shame the game clashes with NI v Wales in the Euros!


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Adbrowne


    bilston wrote: »
    Just a shame the game clashes with NI v Wales in the Euros!

    was in power city earlier and saw four people buying brand new tv's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    neither lineup is strong. both teams should be vexed if they lose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    If going by form, Healy was the form winger in the country in the Pro 12 coming into the end of the competition.
    I really think he can make an impact, especially if he can link up with TOH for an offload or two.
    This selection is a breath of fresh air that we needed.
    Also it's fair to Reddan to give him a run, he might only get a few minutes at the end anyway, but at least everyone taken on tour will have been involved.
    Really looking forward to the midfield, they could be very creative.

    I'd like Ireland to continue to blood one or two players in every match for the next year or so.
    I think Adeolokun is worth trying out in the Autumn, and perhaps Andrew Conway also, and definitely Ringrose.

    New Zealand and Australia seem to me to be very good at blooding players, they don't worry about throwing a guy in if he's good enough for his club.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    neither lineup is strong. both teams should be vexed if they lose.

    After your NH bashing at the start of the series' you're starting to cover your bases well now, I'll give you that.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Decent selection. Happy everyone gets a shot and if we lose so be it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Decent selection. Happy everyone gets a shot and if we lose so be it.

    Can we just close this site now, and let this be the last ever post Boards.ie :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Can I ask: Marshall 12 Olding 13

    Do people think Olding 12 Marshall 13 might have been better??


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭b.gud


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Can I ask: Marshall 12 Olding 13

    Do people think Olding 12 Marshall 13 might have been better??

    Unless I've mis-read Schmidt went with Olding 12 Marshall 13

    FWIW I think I'd quite like to see Olding get a run at 13 at some stage, think he'd work well in the extra space

    Edit:
    Yep he did

    https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/745955987660640256


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I didn't realise that Reddan was retiring after the game on Sat.

    Hopefully he gets a winning send off to a fine career.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Crazy to think that going into the World Cup warm ups only a year ago, McGrath, Henderson, Murphy, Jackson, Olding, Marshall, O'Halloran and some would argue Trimble and even Earls, were not considered first choice in their position. Certainly a lot has changed in 12 months.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Crazy to think that going into the World Cup warm ups only a year ago, McGrath, Henderson, Murphy, Jackson, Olding, Marshall, O'Halloran and some would argue Trimble and even Earls, were not considered first choice in their position. Certainly a lot has changed in 12 months.
    I'd still say only 2 or 3 of those are. Henderson was the heir apparent and McGrath was by default our first choice.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Cronin is on the bench, look again...

    Just saw that was looking at planet rugby and they have Strauss on the bench..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,730 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    I'm getting dizzy with so much sport on this weekend (too much:eek: ) ... after last weekends dissapointment , things started to change with the U20's on Monday - excellent selection from Joe , be great to get a series win , which may get dwarfed by the soccer lads (but cant see them doing France) - anyway hopefully both come good , and if the 20s win , would that be a first WC victory for Ireland in any major team sport ?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    We won the golf world cup a couple of times...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    thebaz wrote: »
    I'm getting dizzy with so much sport on this weekend (too much:eek: ) ... after last weekends dissapointment , things started to change with the U20's on Monday - excellent selection from Joe , be great to get a series win , which may get dwarfed by the soccer lads (but cant see them doing France) - anyway hopefully both come good , and if the 20s win , would that be a first WC victory for Ireland in any major team sport ?

    Ireland's U-19 Rugby World Championship Win In 1998 under Declan Kidney.

    The Ireland Under-19 Team that day was:

    Donovan Rossi (Clontarf)
    Matthew Cupitt (Instonians)
    Shane Moore (UCD) (capt)
    Brian O'Driscoll (UCD)
    Darragh Holt (UCC)
    Paddy Wallace (Campbell College)
    Kieran Campbell (London Irish)
    Andy O'Brien (UCD)
    Adrian Flavin (London Irish)
    Frank Roche (Bohemians)
    Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution)
    Damien Broughall (UCD)
    Chris McCarey (Ballymena)
    Aidan Kearney (St. Michael's College)
    Neil Coughlan (UCD)

    Replacements: John Reynolds (Watsonians), Aidan Considine (Bective Rangers), David Mescal (Ballina/UCG), Chris Good (RBAI), Ben Urquhart (Methodist College), Chris Schofield (Bangor), Conor Fitzgerald (Garryowen).


  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭mareegoo


    Ireland's U-19 Rugby World Championship Win In 1998 under Declan Kidney.

    The Ireland Under-19 Team that day was:

    Donovan Rossi (Clontarf)
    Matthew Cupitt (Instonians)
    Shane Moore (UCD) (capt)
    Brian O'Driscoll (UCD)
    Darragh Holt (UCC)
    Paddy Wallace (Campbell College)
    Kieran Campbell (London Irish)
    Andy O'Brien (UCD)
    Adrian Flavin (London Irish)
    Frank Roche (Bohemians)
    Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution)
    Damien Broughall (UCD)
    Chris McCarey (Ballymena)
    Aidan Kearney (St. Michael's College)
    Neil Coughlan (UCD)

    Replacements: John Reynolds (Watsonians), Aidan Considine (Bective Rangers), David Mescal (Ballina/UCG), Chris Good (RBAI), Ben Urquhart (Methodist College), Chris Schofield (Bangor), Conor Fitzgerald (Garryowen).

    true but not being disingenious to that team, they did have an easy route with a lot of nations not playing that tournament.....this time our guys have done it the hard way (NZ, Wales, Argentina all blown away....)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    bilston wrote: »
    I didn't realise that Reddan was retiring after the game on Sat.

    Hopefully he gets a winning send off to a fine career.

    Isn't that what happened with stander 2 weeks ago?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭b.gud


    It's Friday evening and I'm don't really feel like doing any work so here's a bit of a tin foil hat bib theory related observation that is likely to be as wrong as saying that the UK will now have £350 m a week to give to the NHS

    In this pic from todays captains run all the starters are wearing bibs with the subs, granted there are only 2 of them, just wearing t-shirts. One of the players wearing a bib is Finlay Bealham.

    Clue6fNXEAACSYy.jpg:large


  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭andymx11


    b.gud wrote: »
    It's Friday evening and I'm don't really feel like doing any work so here's a bit of a tin foil hat bib theory related observation that is likely to be as wrong as saying that the UK will now have £350 m a week to give to the NHS

    In this pic from todays captains run all the starters are wearing bibs with the subs, granted there are only 2 of them, just wearing t-shirts. One of the players wearing a bib is Finlay Bealham.

    Clue6fNXEAACSYy.jpg:large

    If you really had time on your hands you would have went to Inpho's website and searched for another captains run pic that had Jack in it. But you didn't and now we're worried..


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭b.gud


    andymx11 wrote: »
    If you really had time on your hands you would have went to Inpho's website and searched for another captains run pic that had Jack in it. But you didn't and now we're worried..

    I did for that but like any good conspiracy theorists I choose to ignore the facts that don't suit my theory :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    INPHO_01076886.jpg

    NOBODY PANIC!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Andrew Trimble is one seriously photogenic son of a gun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭andymx11


    What's the weather meant to be like in Port Lizzy tomorrow?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭harney


    Sorry for the stupid question, but I'm in Madrid tomorrow. What time is kickoff local time there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    harney wrote: »
    Sorry for the stupid question, but I'm in Madrid tomorrow. What time is kickoff local time there?

    5pm I think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭harney


    errlloyd wrote: »
    harney wrote: »
    Sorry for the stupid question, but I'm in Madrid tomorrow. What time is kickoff local time there?

    5pm I think.
    Was that 1700 GMT or 1800 GMT?


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