South Africa V Ireland, Third Test Build-up Thread

Jump_In_Jack · 22-06-2016 11:26am

former total wrote: »

I think it's very unlikely that Ryan will feature in any capacity this weekend so the whole argument is a bit redundant. He was coming from pretty far back and didn't stake any sort of a claim in the last game, despite getting 30 minutes to do so.

I agree with that point.
Did you think Roux made enough of an impact to warrant a start or a bench spot?
Roux as lock and Henderson at blind side worked well I thought.

former total · 22-06-2016 11:29am

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I agree with that point.
Did you think Roux made enough of an impact to warrant a start or a bench spot?
Roux as lock and Henderson at blind side worked well I thought.

Not really. Beyond being a big lump behind Furlong, I'm not sure what he brought to the table. I reckon Ross will come back in which means no real need for Roux.

I think Stander will definitely come back in at 6, which moves Henderson to 5, and Dillane will bench.

Jump_In_Jack · 22-06-2016 11:38am

former total wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I agree with that point.
Did you think Roux made enough of an impact to warrant a start or a bench spot?
Roux as lock and Henderson at blind side worked well I thought.

Not really. Beyond being a big lump behind Furlong, I'm not sure what he brought to the table. I reckon Ross will come back in which means no real need for Roux.

I think Stander will definitely come back in at 6, which moves Henderson to 5, and Dillane will bench.

I'd agree that's the likely solution.
The only way Ryan could get on the bench ahead of Dillane is if the coach wants an experienced lineout caller on the bench for the final test, as clearly Dillane has the edge in terms of dynamism.

wp_rathead · 22-06-2016 11:38am

Wouldn't have an issue with Roux in 23, but would prefer Toner and Dillane with Iain to replace Dillane

Jump_In_Jack · 22-06-2016 11:43am

wp_rathead wrote: »

Wouldn't have an issue with Roux in 23, but would prefer Toner and Dillane with Iain to replace Dillane

Iain has put in some serious work so far, as has Toner.
If they can last another 70 and 80 minutes each respectively for a third test with that level of intensity I think they must be phenomenal athletes.

wp_rathead · 22-06-2016 12:50pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Iain has put in some serious work so far, as has Toner.
If they can last another 70 and 80 minutes each respectively for a third test with that level of intensity I think they must be phenomenal athletes.

Well like I said, I would have Henderson on bench to bring On for last 20/30 mins
You're right that Toner has played two intense 80mins - maybe start Dillane and Roux, they've partnered each other successfully at club level..

wp_rathead · 22-06-2016 2:21pm

Rumour that Payne out:?

FACECUTTR · 22-06-2016 2:24pm

wp_rathead wrote: »

Rumour that Payne out:?

Sat out training with cramp. If he's out then Olding and Marshall in the centre with TOH at 15.
Somewhere in the world Paddy Wallaces phone is ringing........

Jump_In_Jack · 22-06-2016 2:24pm

wp_rathead wrote: »

Rumour that Payne out:?

Irish Independent state him as a doubt.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/andrew-trimble-urges-ireland-to-refocus-ahead-of-series-decider-in-south-africa-34823621.html
"[font=Georgia, serif]Jared Payne is understood to be a doubt for the decider."[/font]

bilston · 22-06-2016 3:18pm

That would be a massive loss. I wouldn't hold out much hope without him whether he is at 15 or 13.

irishbucsfan · 22-06-2016 3:20pm

Jared Payne confirmed to be available

.... For Tommy O'Donnell's wedding

vienne86 · 22-06-2016 3:26pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Irish Independent state him as a doubt.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/andrew-trimble-urges-ireland-to-refocus-ahead-of-series-decider-in-south-africa-34823621.html
"[font=Georgia, serif]Jared Payne is understood to be a doubt for the decider."[/font]

I really don't want to hear this, but as it is the Indo, I won't panic yet.

former total · 22-06-2016 3:32pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jared Payne confirmed to be available

.... For Tommy O'Donnell's wedding

So it's all an act because Payne is mad for the sesh? Makes sense.

Actually, poor Tommy.

Imagine watching Jordi Murphy and then Rhys Ruddock have absolute stormers in the 7 jersey against the Boks while you're at home poring over the seating plan for the wedding.

Buer · 22-06-2016 3:59pm

former total wrote: »

So it's all an act because Payne is mad for the sesh? Makes sense.

Actually, poor Tommy.

Imagine watching Jordi Murphy and then Rhys Ruddock have absolute stormers in the 7 jersey against the Boks while you're at home poring over the seating plan for the wedding.

Toner is getting married in 2 weeks. Proper rugby player. Has his priorities right.

bilston · 22-06-2016 6:36pm

former total wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jared Payne confirmed to be available

.... For Tommy O'Donnell's wedding

So it's all an act because Payne is mad for the sesh? Makes sense.

Actually, poor Tommy.

Imagine watching Jordi Murphy and then Rhys Ruddock have absolute stormers in the 7 jersey against the Boks while you're at home poring over the seating plan for the wedding.

To be fair it was really poor planning on his part. I assume there are extenuating circumstances, but presumably the dates of this tour have been know for a while, or at least the approximate dates.

irishbucsfan · 22-06-2016 6:40pm

bilston wrote: »

To be fair it was really poor planning on his part. I assume there are extenuating circumstances, but presumably the dates of this tour have been know for a while, or at least the approximate dates.

I've said this before but you never know what the reasons are for these thing's, could be a perfectly legitimate personal reason that it couldn't be later.

22-06-2016 7:34pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I've said this before but you never know what the reasons are for these thing's, could be a perfectly legitimate personal reason that it couldn't be later.

Didn't want Joe to ruin his confidence again right before the wedding.

bilston · 22-06-2016 7:44pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

To be fair it was really poor planning on his part. I assume there are extenuating circumstances, but presumably the dates of this tour have been know for a while, or at least the approximate dates.

I've said this before but you never know what the reasons are for these thing's, could be a perfectly legitimate personal reason that it couldn't be later.

Yeah fair enough, you have to assume that's the case and hopefully it isn't anything negative.

Dave_The_Sheep · 22-06-2016 10:29pm

Without the inevitable effect of playing at altitude, I don't see many reasons why we can't take this game and series.

I'm looking forward to this one more than most summer tour finales, partly because the result is still in the balance, but also because SA will have learned lots about what their best 15/23 are, and so have we. It should be a cracker - and it's absolutely there for us to win, and win without squeaky bum time. When they've not been wrecked, our pack has done a number on SA twice now and can do so again.

SA will be better than they've been so far though, so we need to be as well.

sydthebeat · 22-06-2016 10:40pm

http://the42.ie/2840127

Good analysis in quinn "big lump behind furlong" roux and his impact on last Saturday's game

Zzippy · 22-06-2016 11:21pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

http://the42.ie/2840127

Good analysis in quinn "big lump behind furlong" roux and his impact on last Saturday's game

Most effective and prolific ruck player and only on the pitch for 51 minutes! Might earn him a spot on Sat. Toner/Roux with Henderson at 6, Stander and Dillane to come on and tear it up in the second half...

former total · 23-06-2016 7:25am

So looks like Payne will stay at FB, Olding at centre and otherwise it's back to the team from the first test. According to Gerry.

Dog Botherer · 23-06-2016 7:32am

former total wrote: »

So looks like Payne will stay at FB, Olding at centre and otherwise it's back to the team from the first test. According to Gerry.

Gerry hasn't been as accurate as he used to be of late. However, if so, that's a fairly daring selection by Schmidt's standards. Or he simply doesn't trust O'Halloran.

Adbrowne · 23-06-2016 7:44am

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Gerry hasn't been as accurate as he used to be of late. However, if so, that's a fairly daring selection by Schmidt's standards. Or he simply doesn't trust O'Halloran.

what is the rumoured team?

former total · 23-06-2016 8:28am

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Gerry hasn't been as accurate as he used to be of late. However, if so, that's a fairly daring selection by Schmidt's standards. Or he simply doesn't trust O'Halloran.

I'd have said putting TOH straight in at FB, effectively for his debut, would be the more daring pick.

Trusting TOH? l don't know but it was clear before today that he trusts Olding more...

Mr Tickle · 23-06-2016 9:01am

Zzippy wrote: »

Most effective and prolific ruck player and only on the pitch for 51 minutes! Might earn him a spot on Sat. Toner/Roux with Henderson at 6, Stander and Dillane to come on and tear it up in the second half...

You could be on to something there. although maybe swap Stander and Henderson. Stander's had the week off now so he'll be nice and rested. Henderson's after getting through a lot of work in the first two.

bilston · 23-06-2016 9:58am

Adbrowne wrote: »

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Gerry hasn't been as accurate as he used to be of late. However, if so, that's a fairly daring selection by Schmidt's standards. Or he simply doesn't trust O'Halloran.

what is the rumoured team?

Based on what FT has said

Payne
Trimble
Marshall
Olding
Earls
Jackson
Murray
McGrath
Best
Ross
Toner
Henderson
Stander
Murphy
Heaslip

23-06-2016 10:07am

Again its bizarre the Healy is not even in the debate anymore and its completely correct. He was the best prop in NH in 2013. Props are supposed to hit the heights of their career with age.

pickarooney · 23-06-2016 10:08am

That backline looks OK in theory but its essentially the fourth place backline in the pro 12.

molloyjh · 23-06-2016 10:09am

bilston wrote: »

Based on what FT has said

Payne
Trimble
Marshall
Olding
Earls
Jackson
Murray
McGrath
Best
Ross
Toner
Henderson
Stander
Murphy
Heaslip

I'd swap the centres around personally. Marshall did very well at 12 in the first test and Olding could probably use the extra space and time.

South Africa V Ireland, Third Test Build-up Thread

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