Space Hulk: Deathwing

Links234

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERJhTprNpw

Supposedly out this year, hopefully this'll do for the Warhammer 40K universe what Vermintide did for the Warhammer Fantasy universe; 4 Player Co-op, a less used enemy type. Could be great.

ED E

Another SM led title. Boring.

Zillah

I think it looks great, really excited. Loving the animation effects on the force...mace?

It would be nice to get a game where you play Eldar or some other race for once, but this still looks great.

Shiminay

The turn based game that came out a few years ago was such a bitter disappointment that I'm glad to see a properly engaging and interesting take on a Space Hulk game. I *REALLY* hope that there's a Fallen somewhere on one of the Space Hulks for the Dark Angels to capture

Doodleking

A little reminded me of Left 4 Dead, only with bigger guns

Lemming

Shiminay wrote: »

The turn based game that came out a few years ago was such a bitter disappointment that I'm glad to see a properly engaging and interesting take on a Space Hulk game. I *REALLY* hope that there's a Fallen somewhere on one of the Space Hulks for the Dark Angels to capture

I quite enjoyed the Space Hulk offering; it is faithful to the original table-top game rules. There was a second version (Space Hulk: Ascension) released several months later that expanded upon the original and added character progression and unlocks for your marines rather than stand-alone missions within campaigns which the original was.

Links234

New trailer, and we're looking at a November release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzsDLpNMZq0

Dave_The_Sheep

Zillah wrote: »

I think it looks great, really excited. Loving the animation effects on the force...mace?

Crozius, I think.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how this pans out. Balls deep in the Horus Heresy series so I'm still riding the Space Marine wave - not bored of them yet.

Taylor365

Shiminay wrote: »

The turn based game that came out a few years ago was such a bitter disappointment that I'm glad to see a properly engaging and interesting take on a Space Hulk game. I *REALLY* hope that there's a Fallen somewhere on one of the Space Hulks for the Dark Angels to capture

Was it that bad? I remember following it in development for awhile then lost track of it.

Links234

Up on Steam now - €39.99 which is a bit pricey, though currently 15% off if you preorder, which I'm not preordering.

Gbear

Links234 wrote: »

Up on Steam now - €39.99 which is a bit pricey, though currently 15% off if you preorder, which I'm not preordering.

If it has a proper co-op mode that stays the distance and a full campaign I can see it being worth it.

It looks well capable of being in the AAA bracket on the content side of things.
Whether it delivers on that remains to be seen.

Links234

I don't know, Payday 2 and Vermintide were both €27.99 on release (PD2 since dropped to €19.99), and I picked up Vermintide while it was still in open beta for a nice discount, closer to €22 I think. So I just can't help compare it to similar games, where the price point was much more inline with my budget.

Gbear

Links234 wrote: »

I don't know, Payday 2 and Vermintide were both €27.99 on release (PD2 since dropped to €19.99), and I picked up Vermintide while it was still in open beta for a nice discount, closer to €22 I think. So I just can't help compare it to similar games, where the price point was much more inline with my budget.

Did they have any single player campaign?

DW seems to have the whole thing - loot (and I do love WH40K loot), tech trees, experience, magic, etc.

dreamers75

Definite day one buy for me.

degrassinoel

i wishlisted it - looking forward to it

Zillah

Vermintide was awesome gameplay but very little replayability. The community devolved into repetitive farming of the same maps over and over again very quickly. Not entirely sure it was worth the money. I enjoyed the gameplay a lot but was bored after a few hours. They deliberately doubled-down on the grindy aspects to try and stretch more life out of it, which killed it for me.

No way I'll be pre-ordering this, but I remain hopeful.

Shiminay

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Zillah, that's exactly how I felt. I really do not like those repetitive sorts of loot-grinders, it's so horribly off-putting for someone who's mostly playing it cause it says Warhammer on it rather than anything else. I really hope we don't have the same for this, although, it being 40K and specifically the Deathwing, I can see it holding my attention that bit longer.

Kiith

Yup, i'm buying this. Looks brilliant. Love how heavy the characters feel and sound. And the assault canon and flamethrower look and sounds exactly like i'd hope

Gbear

Even if this was just a badly laid out co-op campaign, the 40k world suits it so much better than your Vermintides of this world.

But the lore writes itself. It's melodramatic bollocks but it's great.

"I am wrath. I am steel. I am the mercy of angels"

Who writes this ****?:D

WH40K has the best aesthetic imaginable for FPS or gameplay-driven RPGs. It parks rationality at the door and goes all Greek mythology on the usual thing, making things perfectly simple, black and white, and you can just pretend you're a 10ft tall demi-god wreathed in magic super armour, equipped with the most rudimentary but destructive of weapons.

There's so much to come from Games Workshop in gaming. If they stop making ****ing chess they'll be an absolute goldmine for quality shooters for years to come.

dreamers75

I just cant not buy this game, no interest in the lore it just looks awesome.

I want that hammer.

degrassinoel

the thuds on the shield sounded awesome, cant wait for this

TerrorFirmer

It's third person rather than an FPS, but the 2011 Space Marine game was excellent and deserved greater success than it got. The multi-player was very under-rated as well. Fire Warrior was pretty decent on the PS2 as well but it's a long time since I played that, so I'd have to really give it another go.

Gbear

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

It's third person rather than an FPS, but the 2011 Space Marine game was excellent and deserved greater success than it got. The multi-player was very under-rated as well. Fire Warrior was pretty decent on the PS2 as well but it's a long time since I played that, so I'd have to really give it another go.

The games's not going for full AAA price on steam (£30 at the minute, minus the pre-order 15% off).

I'm not sure what that means - maybe lots of DLC, maybe a short game or maybe just low expectations.

At any rate, if we're going to see another Space Marine you'd think games that are fairly similar to it like Deathwing would probably want to be making a few bob.
It's a very niche IP outside of strategy games so it'll have to probably knock it out of the park to get enough mainstream traction for them to make as enough of these games of sufficient quality for my liking.

Space Marine 2, as a less linear and more fully realised RPG should be an absolute open-goal, in my mind.
There's already so much fluff, such clearly delineated progress of power, gear and abilities laid out already and it lends itself so well to almost spectacle-fighter kind of gameplay that they really should be able to make something that everyone would like and is also brilliant.

degrassinoel

they sold vermintide for under the AAA price too, not that surprised

Shiminay

I don't know if many of you realise, but Games Workshop is in a really precarious position and it's fiction and licensed stuff are probably the only things keeping it alive. 3D printing is about to destroy its core business when it becomes cheap and accurate enough to replace the monumentally expensive casting process they use to make their models.

The death of THQ was the best thing that happened to GW, they had an exclusive license and now they've been able to open that up, so we have had Vermintide, Mordheim, Death Wing and Battlefleet Armada as well as Eternal Crusade (which isn't looking great tbh). The problem with all these additional licences is that they keep moving away from the lore in small ways and the lore is the glue that ties it all together.

degrassinoel

heard it's an expensive hobby alright, i watched a few of the lore videos arch has on youtube about some of the Warhammer and WH40k characters, and literally every one of them, he slates the end times as being non-cannon, lore wrecking rubbish - it's actually quite funny the way he's explained it

Shiminay

There's a reason their Black Library (publishing) division is so successful - the Lore is the thing that keeps people hooked long after they've lost interest or abilities to keep up with the gaming element of their company. Add to that the fact that their prices are beyond fucked and that opened the doors for Privateer to make a big play for the market (and they have). They've also got some majorly talented authors who wouldn't have any interest in the job if it wasn't fun.

Kiith

I've not read any of the books, but i've spent many hours going through the 40K wiki. Some absolutely cool characters in there, so it's always great to see them in game. Space Marine was one of my favourite games of...whatever year it was released. Everything felt so heavy and satisfying, so if they can replicate that in Deathwing, i'm sold.

Gbear

If you're a big giant nerd you might enjoy this youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS14rofXz-WT305CKiu719Q

degrassinoel

been watching this guy's videos - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChS9wazLlTUHSTeKVG39hZw

Lemming

Kiith wrote: »

I've not read any of the books, but i've spent many hours going through the 40K wiki. Some absolutely cool characters in there, so it's always great to see them in game. Space Marine was one of my favourite games of...whatever year it was released. Everything felt so heavy and satisfying, so if they can replicate that in Deathwing, i'm sold.

If you're wondering where to start with the books, and if you can get them (some will be in anthology format now):

Warhammer Fantasy: Felix & Gotrek. There's a long list of novels and I recommend reading them in order. I've not read all of them, but the William King novels are great at any rate.

Warhammer 40k:

• Deathwing: this is the short story from the Space Hulk: Deathwing expansion boxed set reprinted along with collection of unrelated stories in paperback format. Can now be had in eBook format from black library.
• Space Marine by Ian Watson. Warning: bits of it could be considered a bit .... homo-erotic :pac:
• The Inquisitor series by Ian Watson. Characters from the above-mentioned Space Marine also cross into the Inquisitor novels.
• Gaunts Ghosts by Dan Abbnett.

I've not read the Heresy novels although heard they're good, and I've not listed any of the space wolf novels because it'll be a personal preference thing. I like the wolves, you may not. The above list is annoying in that some of the Ian Watson novels can be found on the BlackLibrary site, but not others; even from the same series.

I've listed most of the above (with the exception of Gaunts Ghosts) 40k novels because they're what could be considered classic Rogue-Trader era stories, when the universe portrayed in the lore was somewhat less clinical and a great deal more gothic.

Burgo

Shiminay wrote: »

I don't know if many of you realise, but Games Workshop is in a really precarious position and it's fiction and licensed stuff are probably the only things keeping it alive. 3D printing is about to destroy its core business when it becomes cheap and accurate enough to replace the monumentally expensive casting process they use to make their models.

The death of THQ was the best thing that happened to GW, they had an exclusive license and now they've been able to open that up, so we have had Vermintide, Mordheim, Death Wing and Battlefleet Armada as well as Eternal Crusade (which isn't looking great tbh). The problem with all these additional licences is that they keep moving away from the lore in small ways and the lore is the glue that ties it all together.

Well Games Workshop seem to have hit the massive self destruct button with the latest iteration of fantasy. Who would have thought blowing your world up would piss off all your fans? I know a few people who were still playing up until very recently have just quit in a rage over it.

Lemming wrote: »

If you're wondering where to start with the books, and if you can get them (some will be in anthology format now):

Warhammer Fantasy: Felix & Gotrek. There's a long list of novels and I recommend reading them in order. I've not read all of them, but the William King novels are great at any rate.

Warhammer 40k:

• Deathwing: this is the short story from the Space Hulk: Deathwing expansion boxed set reprinted along with collection of unrelated stories in paperback format. Can now be had in eBook format from black library.
• Space Marine by Ian Watson. Warning: bits of it could be considered a bit .... homo-erotic :pac:
• The Inquisitor series by Ian Watson. Characters from the above-mentioned Space Marine also cross into the Inquisitor novels.
• Gaunts Ghosts by Dan Abbnett.

I've not read the Heresy novels although heard they're good, and I've not listed any of the space wolf novels because it'll be a personal preference thing. I like the wolves, you may not. The above list is annoying in that some of the Ian Watson novels can be found on the BlackLibrary site, but not others; even from the same series.

I've listed most of the above (with the exception of Gaunts Ghosts) 40k novels because they're what could be considered classic Rogue-Trader era stories, when the universe portrayed in the lore was somewhat less clinical and a great deal more gothic.

I've read a few of the horus heresy books, they can be hit or miss. Depends on the author, overall Dan Abnett is a solid choice. To add to your list I'd add the Eisenhorn trilogy.

Nody

Lemming wrote: »

Inquisitor series by Ian Watson. Characters from the above-mentioned Space Marine also cross into the Inquisitor novels.

This one is not really canon though as it was the first 40k novel series and has things such as Squats etc. in it (think Space Dwarfs with a touch of hobbits).

Gaunts Ghosts[/URL] by Dan Abbnett.

Great series for the Imperial Army (i.e. think Soviet WW2 style zerg army style where generals will kill part of their forces for not dying enough (i.e. being heroic enough)).

I'd add the Eisenhorn series for a more canon Inquisitor style series (also a game made on that book series which is suppose to be relatively close to the books in story but suck as a game).

As for GW; they have been losing business for ages and 3D printing has nothing to do with it but simply poor business decisions. For example they changed the stores to only have 1 person in them to save money and then wonder why sales dropped (because the guy can't get new guys into the game, run painting workshops etc. you dummies) or stopped web shops from being allowed to sell outside their country or break up packs (because everyone wants to spend $25 to get another plasma pistol) in the hope people would use GWs website instead (which is poor). I could go on but suffice to say GWs hit on rules etc. was more lucky accident than brains and moving it further towards beer and pretzels did not work out (who would have thought people did not want to spend €400+ to buy a army only to have your opponent do a dance around the table while pretending to ride and you automatically losing the game; yes there were such rules inclusions by GW not ****ting you).

Venom

Lemming wrote: »

If you're wondering where to start with the books, and if you can get them (some will be in anthology format now):

Warhammer Fantasy: Felix & Gotrek. There's a long list of novels and I recommend reading them in order. I've not read all of them, but the William King novels are great at any rate.

Warhammer 40k:

• Deathwing: this is the short story from the Space Hulk: Deathwing expansion boxed set reprinted along with collection of unrelated stories in paperback format. Can now be had in eBook format from black library.
• Space Marine by Ian Watson. Warning: bits of it could be considered a bit .... homo-erotic :pac:
• The Inquisitor series by Ian Watson. Characters from the above-mentioned Space Marine also cross into the Inquisitor novels.
• Gaunts Ghosts by Dan Abbnett.

I've not read the Heresy novels although heard they're good, and I've not listed any of the space wolf novels because it'll be a personal preference thing. I like the wolves, you may not. The above list is annoying in that some of the Ian Watson novels can be found on the BlackLibrary site, but not others; even from the same series.

I've listed most of the above (with the exception of Gaunts Ghosts) 40k novels because they're what could be considered classic Rogue-Trader era stories, when the universe portrayed in the lore was somewhat less clinical and a great deal more gothic.

The Night Lord's series by Aaron Dembski Bowden is another must read series. To be fair, everything the guy has written has been pretty awesome and well worth a look.

The Heresy novels start off great but turn into random battle encounter XYZ, which don't really move the story on and are pretty forgettable with the exception of the few books written by the top BL guys.

Lemming

Nody wrote: »

This one is not really canon though as it was the first 40k novel series and has things such as Squats etc. in it (think Space Dwarfs with a touch of hobbits).

Heretic.

Squats and the Slaan (remember them?! ... ) were airbrushed out of the canon by the likes of Gav Thorpe and that other tosser with his UltraSmurfz-r-bestest fetish (admittedly, said tosser came along after all of the aforementioned airbrushing. Still a tosser whose name escapes me because I don't care what his name is; 'Tosser' will do.

The squats were - like the Ratlings (remember them?), Ogryns, and Catachan - tolerated genetic mutations, because they were extremely useful on account of their affinity for all matters technical. But that chided with the desire to turn everything into cookie-cutter "This is the astra militarium, this is the adeptus astartest, adeptus mechanicus, etc." in the mistaken belief that they would sell more by dumbing it all down. The bland sh1t that was 3rd edition 40k or "Epic 40,000" (3rd ed. Epic) was not a coincidence in keeping with the above.

The original Rogue-Trader lore (and indeed still knocking around during 2nd edition) was a rich (and at times exceedingly dark) tapestry reflecting a galaxy in a state of near constant war where human life is cheaper than sh1t, and not all worlds are either equal nor even technologically comparable, with many human worlds having yet to move beyond the stone age or having regressed back into the stone-age on account of some cataclysm either man-made (such as Genestealer cults that the Ordo Xenos has not managed to call in the Exterminatus on) or natural in design.

Anyway, sorry for the rant but we're wayyyyyyyy off-topic for a computer game

Maguined

Lemming wrote: »

Anyway, sorry for the rant but we're wayyyyyyyy off-topic for a computer game

You just want your Adeptus Astartes jetbikes and Genestealer limousines back in the game. :pac:

Nody

Maguined wrote: »

You just want your Adeptus Astartes jetbikes and Genestealer limousines back in the game. :pac:

Well Forge World has the jetbikes already :P

As for limousines you can craft that with the new Genstealer Cult codex (they have a troop transport you can use as replacement for it :P ).

Burgo

Nody wrote: »

Well Forge World has the jetbikes already :P

As for limousines you can craft that with the new Genstealer Cult codex (they have a troop transport you can use as replacement for it :P ).

Here you go http://wargameexclusive.com/shop/imperial-inquisition/genetic-cult-coven-limo-on-antigravs-28mm/

Lemming

Maguined wrote: »

You just want your Adeptus Astartes jetbikes and Genestealer limousines back in the game. :pac:

Y'know, I'd completely forgotten about those jetbikes. Thanks for the reminder ... :pac:



On a serious note though; if any of you know someone who has either one or both of the Realms of Chaos books, or indeed even Rogue-Trader (the original 40k rulebook) or the 2nd edition codexes I recommend begging them for a looksie. There is some absolutely great stuff in them, and the artwork is second to none; very brooding courtesy of John Blanche.

Edit: and bringing myself back on topic (ish), the older source material - before they really rolled out the Tyranids as a playable race - gave a lot of time over to Genestealer cults, which also played nicely into the lore around Space Hulk, the Inquisition (notably the Ordo Xenos) and that most feared of Imperial weapons; the Exterminatus. The genestealers would hide in hulks, waiting for the curious to dock & explore/salvage, or for the hulks to crash/pass close enough to inhabited planets. Case in point: the story that is the origin of why the Dark Angels 1st company is a) called the Death wing and b) has bone-coloured armour rather than dark green (which it originally was).

Maguined

My brother owned the original Space Hulk and Deathwing and Genestealer expansions. That story about the Deathwing painting their armour white was one of my favourite pieces of fiction as a kid, it really filled those crappy first edition lumps of plastic with love during a game after reading such a great story.

ShadowHearth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6hSES1tlt0

So new trailer? I feel a bit mixed about it.

Atmosphere is nailed, but just shooting mechanics look a bit off and I cant put my finger on it. Its maybe just too much flashing? Hit detection is not "punchy", Physics of bodies? I dont know.

Like good example would be Killing floor 2. In that game when you hit something, you feel that you hit it with a damn gun, not a Nerf cannon.

VinLieger

Fell down a 40k wiki hole yesterday, got no work done

Kiith

I've been in that hole for a few days now. Installing Space Marine and Dawn of War at the moment, to try and dig myself out (or go even deeper :P)

Might give Battlefleet Gothic: Armada a go as well, as it looks pretty cool.

dreamers75

So that hammer.........

Spear

dreamers75 wrote: »

So that hammer.........

It's a Thunder Hammer:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thunder_hammer

close combat weapons are still common in the 40k universe due to their ability to focus a lot of energy on something.

Lemming

Pre-ordered. Couldn't resist any more

VinLieger

Lemming wrote: »

Pre-ordered. Couldn't resist any more

Is there any benefit to pre-ordering apart from the discount?

Kiith

dreamers75 wrote: »

So that hammer....is ****ing awesome!

Fixed that for you

Wossack

any word on a release date? November some stage I believe?

degrassinoel

dont think they know themselves, just "november"

Lemming

VinLieger wrote: »

Is there any benefit to pre-ordering apart from the discount?

Not really; other than getting a 15% discount and getting access to that artefact hammer thingymabob.