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  • Registered Users Posts: 13 like




  • Registered Users Posts: 13 like


    Best of luck Pique, don't worry, he understands adult ADHD...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Pique


    like wrote: »

    Thank you for this. There's an interview she did that I thought this guy was reading my mind in parts. It's excellent. The bit from 3m13s onward I was just like... fcuk!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNCDwUv_gkQ


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    Just a quick update that I got an appointment with Prof. Fitzgerald. His secretary didn't have a problem with booking adult patients so @Pique wasn't a lucky one off booking. Seemed to be booked solid for a week or so but got an appointment for the end of the month so you can get seen pretty quickly, if anyone else is looking for a specialist assessment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭cannex


    Really glad to see more people being able to get appointments.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    Feeling a bit unenthusiastic going in to the assessment appointment I have on Wednesday. Tried to get my school records which would have been great proof that I've had these problems since childhood but they have nothing since they're not obliged to keep any records past the age of 21. Tried to get my brother to come to the appointment as backup but he couldn't get the time off since we'd have to travel from Waterford to Dublin. I'm almost tempted to call up and cancel the appointment since I'll be going with no real proof of having issues since childhood. Feel like I'll be going empty handed and paying €300 for nothing. I'm still going to go but I feel like I'll be spending 6 hours travelling for no reason. Yeah, I'm just complaining about nothing at this stage but I don't feel like I'm going into this on appointment on good footing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,920 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    PPN2893 wrote:
    Feeling a bit unenthusiastic going in to the assessment appointment I have on Wednesday. Tried to get my school records which would have been great proof that I've had these problems since childhood but they have nothing since they're not obliged to keep any records past the age of 21. Tried to get my brother to come to the appointment as backup but he couldn't get the time off since we'd have to travel from Waterford to Dublin. I'm almost tempted to call up and cancel the appointment since I'll be going with no real proof of having issues since childhood. Feel like I'll be going empty handed and paying €300 for nothing. I'm still going to go but I feel like I'll be spending 6 hours travelling for no reason. Yeah, I'm just complaining about nothing at this stage but I don't feel like I'm going into this on appointment on good footing.


    Please go to the appointment, I seen prof Fitzgerald last year and received a diagnosis, I ll respond with a better response later, under pressure here


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Please go to the appointment, I seen prof Fitzgerald last year and received a diagnosis, I ll respond with a better response later, under pressure here


    Don't worry, I'm going to go but I'm just feeling a bit sorry for myself. I just dread dealing with doctors because I always expect the worst and I'm going through the usual self doubt cycle of thinking that I'm just lazy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭dbas


    PPN2893 wrote: »
    Don't worry, I'm going to go but I'm just feeling a bit sorry for myself. I just dread dealing with doctors because I always expect the worst and I'm going through the usual self doubt cycle of thinking that I'm just lazy.[/QU

    Just spotted this thread so thought I'd post. Yeah definitely go to your appointment. Nothing to lose! Is this through St Pats Hospital? I was diagnosed there a few years ago at 31 year old. I never had any school records nor means of getting them but i answered their questions as best i could and completed their tests. Took about 5 hours in total but i was diagnosed on the day. I went in on my own too


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    dbas wrote: »

    Just spotted this thread so thought I'd post. Yeah definitely go to your appointment. Nothing to lose! Is this through St Pats Hospital? I was diagnosed there a few years ago at 31 year old. I never had any school records nor means of getting them but i answered their questions as best i could and completed their tests. Took about 5 hours in total but i was diagnosed on the day. I went in on my own too

    That's encouraging, thanks! It's not in St Pat's. Seems like most of the bigger clinics have ridiculous waiting lists lately. It's with Prof. Fitzgerald in Blanchardstown. I'm not sure what kind of testing he's gonna do or if it's just a sit down talking sort of deal.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭dbas


    PPN2893 wrote: »
    That's encouraging, thanks! It's not in St Pat's. Seems like most of the bigger clinics have ridiculous waiting lists lately. It's with Prof. Fitzgerald in Blanchardstown. I'm not sure what kind of testing he's gonna do or if it's just a sit down talking sort of deal.

    Probably just a chat about history etc. I had to complete other tests to rule out low IQ, cognitive difficulties (any other possibility really) Glad I did it. My wife works in child mental health and advised me to get checked for it as i was constantly on the laptop while watching tv and checking my phone at the same time. I had about ten different jobs so far in my life.
    Think i can already see signs of it in my 18 month old son. He'll have me to guide him though


  • Registered Users Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Feu


    It's a positive step forward PPN :) Hopefully you will experience a sense of relief when you are diagnosed.You also have all of us here for some support!

    As i've mentioned before, several adults I know have gone without family input (for a variety of reasons), and it is not necessary for Dr Fitzgerald assessment. The adult assessment is based primarily on self reporting.

    I think the important thing to focus on is why you're going, as in, what functional impairments do you have? What seems more difficult for you than others, what really makes you think you have ADHD? and perhaps write these down this evening, so you can tell him when you go in.

    He will go through a checklist with you, and you comment on it. These are the kinds of things covered, (i['ve copied and pasted from the additude website, as I find it very busy - oh the irony!)

    ADHD – Primarily Inattentive Type (Formerly Known as ADD)

    • Often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, at work, or during other activities (e.g., overlooks or misses details, work is inaccurate).
    • Often has difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities (e.g., has difficulty remaining focused during lectures, conversations, or lengthy reading).
    • Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly (e.g., mind seems elsewhere, even in the absence of any obvious distraction).
    • Often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (e.g., starts tasks but quickly loses focus and is easily sidetracked).
    URL="https://www.additudemag.com/emotional-hyperarousal-adhd-self-test/?src=embed_link"]Self-Test: Could You Have Emotional Hyperarousal?[/URL
    • Often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities (e.g., difficulty managing sequential tasks; difficulty keeping materials and belongings in order; messy, disorganized work; has poor time management; fails to meet deadlines).
    • Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort (e.g., schoolwork or homework; for older adolescents and adults, preparing reports, completing forms, reviewing lengthy papers).
    • Often loses things necessary for tasks or activities (e.g., school materials, pencils, books, tools, wallets, keys, paperwork, eyeglasses, mobile telephones).
    • Is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (for older adolescents and adults, may include unrelated thoughts).
    • Is often forgetful in daily activities (e.g., doing chores, running errands; for older adolescents and adults, returning calls, paying bills, keeping appointments).
    ADHD – Primarily Hyperactive-Impulsive Type

    • Often fidgets with or taps hands or feet or squirms in seat.
    • Often leaves seat in situations when remaining seated is expected (e.g., leaves his or her place in the classroom, in the office or other workplace, or in other situations that require remaining in place).
    • Often runs about or climbs in situations where it is inappropriate. (Note: In adolescents or adults, may be limited to feeling restless.)
    • Often unable to play or engage in leisure activities quietly.
    URL="https://www.additudemag.com/adhd-symptoms-test-children/?src=embed_link"]Self-Test: Does Your Child Have ADHD?[/URL
    • Is often “on the go,” acting as if “driven by a motor” (e.g., is unable to be or uncomfortable being still for extended time, as in restaurants, meetings; may be experienced by others as being restless or difficult to keep up with).
    • Often talks excessively.
    • Often blurts out an answer before a question has been completed (e.g., completes people’s sentences; cannot wait for turn in conversation).
    • Often has difficulty waiting his or her turn (e.g., while waiting in line).
    • Often interrupts or intrudes on others (e.g., butts into conversations, games, or activities; may start using other people’s things without asking or receiving permission; for adolescents and adults, may intrude into or take over what others are doing).
    Another way of describing or understanding domains of difficulty is the Brown Model. Some people find this helpful:[discussed in more detail/from http://www.brownadhdclinic.com/add-adhd-model/ ]



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  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    Thanks guys. I think I was just so down about it yesterday as my primary school didn't have anything they could give me in terms of records when they made it seem like they had loads of stuff a couple of weeks ago. Felt like I was going empty handed and I've not had great experiences with doctors taking me seriously in the past so I was a bit worried. I really need to sit down and write a list of ways it affects me but I know I'll probably end up doing most of that on the train in the morning because I'm doing everything else that doesn't need to be done first! I'm only really staying positive because I might end up getting help if ADHD is what I have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭dbas


    PPN2893 wrote: »
    Thanks guys. I think I was just so down about it yesterday as my primary school didn't have anything they could give me in terms of records when they made it seem like they had loads of stuff a couple of weeks ago. Felt like I was going empty handed and I've not had great experiences with doctors taking me seriously in the past so I was a bit worried. I really need to sit down and write a list of ways it affects me but I know I'll probably end up doing most of that on the train in the morning because I'm doing everything else that doesn't need to be done first! I'm only really staying positive because I might end up getting help if ADHD is what I have.

    If its what you have, then the professional will see it and will know what questions to ask in order to extract the info from you. You probably haven't been 'taken seriously' by doctors as they didn't know what you had.
    Be positive about it anyway. This could be a great move for you


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    So I went yesterday. I was worried about nothing. I'm officially diagnosed with ADHD. I was also told I have Asperger's and (no surprise from my previous posts) Generalised Anxiety Disorder. Still laughing about the fact I didn't think I'd get one diagnosis and ended up with three. Just have to go to my regular GP and get blood pressure and weight checked for a strattera prescription.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭kod87


    PPN2893 wrote: »
    So I went yesterday. I was worried about nothing. I'm officially diagnosed with ADHD. I was also told I have Asperger's and (no surprise from my previous posts) Generalised Anxiety Disorder. Still laughing about the fact I didn't think I'd get one diagnosis and ended up with three. Just have to go to my regular GP and get blood pressure and weight checked for a strattera prescription.

    Did the Aspergers diagnosis come as a surprise to you or had you suspected that yourself?


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    A bit of a surprise on the day because I hadn't really had that stuff on my mind. I had thought about it around 5-10 years ago when it started becoming more well known and I thought it fit with what I was like as a child. I hadn't considered going for a diagnosis because it wasn't something that particularly bothered me and, for want of a better term, I grew out of the worst parts of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    PPN2893 wrote: »
    A bit of a surprise on the day because I hadn't really had that stuff on my mind. I had thought about it around 5-10 years ago when it started becoming more well known and I thought it fit with what I was like as a child. I hadn't considered going for a diagnosis because it wasn't something that particularly bothered me and, for want of a better term, I grew out of the worst parts of it.

    If you haven't been to the HADD suppourt group meetings, I'd highly reccomend going! A lot of people recently fiagnosed alongside long term suffereers too, it's a great resource


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    brianblaze wrote: »
    If you haven't been to the HADD suppourt group meetings, I'd highly reccomend going! A lot of people recently fiagnosed alongside long term suffereers too, it's a great resource

    I'd give it a go for the craic but there isn't anything like that near by that's not for kids and parents. If I lived closer to Dublin I'd be more likely to give it a go but it's a long auld slog from the country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Pique


    PPN2893 wrote:
    So I went yesterday. I was worried about nothing. I'm officially diagnosed with ADHD. I was also told I have Asperger's. Just have to go to my regular GP and get blood pressure and weight checked for a strattera prescription.

    I went today and this was exactly me. Ritalin was also mentioned but the script is for Strattera.

    So what does it feel like on Strattera? Is it sudden or a barely noticeable change process?

    Not that I care now tbh. Just glad to have got this far.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    Pique wrote: »
    I went today and this was exactly me. Ritalin was also mentioned but the script is for Strattera.

    So what does it feel like on Strattera? Is it sudden or a barely noticeable change process?

    Not that I care now tbh. Just glad to have got this far.

    Yeah, he asked me if I'd be interested in Ritalin, even though it's off label for adults. I told him I'd take whatever would help. I thought after that maybe I was mistaken or missed something he'd said but I got the impression he was prescribing Ritalin.

    From what I've read of Strattera, it's not as strong as something like Ritalin and could take a good few weeks to see the benefit. Going to the doc tomorrow to get the prescription sorted. We'll see if it works out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭dbas


    Strattera is non stimulant if i remember correctly. Its an art more than a science getting meds right for ADHD (if they are for you at all- depends on how you take to them) There is coaching available and plenty of books online as other/additional methods of handling ADHD


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    dbas wrote: »
    Strattera is non stimulant if i remember correctly. Its an art more than a science getting meds right for ADHD (if they are for you at all- depends on how you take to them) There is coaching available and plenty of books online as other/additional methods of handling ADHD

    I suspect they're trying that first as it's a non-stimulant and less potential for abuse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Feu


    PPN2893 wrote: »
    So I went yesterday. I was worried about nothing. I'm officially diagnosed with ADHD. I was also told I have Asperger's and (no surprise from my previous posts) Generalised Anxiety Disorder. Still laughing about the fact I didn't think I'd get one diagnosis and ended up with three. Just have to go to my regular GP and get blood pressure and weight checked for a strattera prescription.

    Great news PPN! Apologies should have mentioned (although i think referred to several times on this thread) that Fitzgerald tends to diagnose ASD & ADHD together regularly enough (although not always!). His position is that there is high co-morbidity (https://www.imt.ie/clinical/mental-health/common-diagnostic-errors-in-child-adolescent-and-adult-psychiatry-07-07-2008/ ) and while in my experience of working with people, often the dual diagnosis is missed, I think he's a wee bit enthusiastic in this area :)

    Advice appears to be give Strattera a belt for a couple of months, and then if not working, ritalin can be tried. As mentioned, strattera is not stimulant based, and therefore preferred by some people, as they don't get the speedy/jittery effect that some people report with Ritalin, but also many people consider it less effective. Some people e.g. Cannex have given detailed information on their experiences with medications, back towards the start of this thread. suck it and see i suppose!


  • Registered Users Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Feu


    brianblaze wrote: »
    If you haven't been to the HADD suppourt group meetings, I'd highly reccomend going! A lot of people recently fiagnosed alongside long term suffereers too, it's a great resource

    Would love to hear any feedback about the group! I mean not personal details, just, has it been helpful, what kind of people are going, age group, how does it work, is there a topic for the meeting, or just random?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    Group meetings generally have a central topic and then we go round table in a discussion on it. (IE Discussing the 'mindfog' of ADHD etc)

    As it's a mix of regulars and newcomers, diagnosed and non-diagnosed, no session is the same but I always feel better for going, if only to be around people going through the same stuff as you


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭PPN2893


    Feu wrote: »
    Great news PPN! Apologies should have mentioned (although i think referred to several times on this thread) that Fitzgerald tends to diagnose ASD & ADHD together regularly enough (although not always!). His position is that there is high co-morbidity (https://www.imt.ie/clinical/mental-health/common-diagnostic-errors-in-child-adolescent-and-adult-psychiatry-07-07-2008/ ) and while in my experience of working with people, often the dual diagnosis is missed, I think he's a wee bit enthusiastic in this area :)

    Advice appears to be give Strattera a belt for a couple of months, and then if not working, ritalin can be tried. As mentioned, strattera is not stimulant based, and therefore preferred by some people, as they don't get the speedy/jittery effect that some people report with Ritalin, but also many people consider it less effective. Some people e.g. Cannex have given detailed information on their experiences with medications, back towards the start of this thread. suck it and see i suppose!

    Ah yeah, I'm going to give it a belt for a while and see how it goes. A bit apprehensive about Strattera since I've been on two SNRIs before and it didn't go well but if there's a chance it can improve my concentration by even 10%, I'll be happy out. I think I was initially a bit disappointed it wasn't Ritalin because you can tell fairly quickly if it works for you. Sure you know yourself, delayed gratification and ADHD don't go hand in hand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭dbas


    Feu wrote: »
    Great news PPN! Apologies should have mentioned (although i think referred to several times on this thread) that Fitzgerald tends to diagnose ASD & ADHD together regularly enough (although not always!). His position is that there is high co-morbidity (https://www.imt.ie/clinical/mental-health/common-diagnostic-errors-in-child-adolescent-and-adult-psychiatry-07-07-2008/ ) and while in my experience of working with people, often the dual diagnosis is missed, I think he's a wee bit enthusiastic in this area :)

    Advice appears to be give Strattera a belt for a couple of months, and then if not working, ritalin can be tried. As mentioned, strattera is not stimulant based, and therefore preferred by some people, as they don't get the speedy/jittery effect that some people report with Ritalin, but also many people consider it less effective. Some people e.g. Cannex have given detailed information on their experiences with medications, back towards the start of this thread. suck it and see i suppose!



    i will second what is said about Fitzgerald. I didn't wanna say it yesterday but a family member works in mental health and misdiagnoses of aspergers come in all the time. Trust his diagnosis of ADHD but not the aspergers for now anyway. Research aspergers yourself and make your own mind up about that one. One wonders whether he is on the spectrum himself as his thinking on the co-morbidity of the conditions is a bit concrete.
    Regarding the drugs for ADHD- I was put on strattera first as I've a history of drug abuse (social-not serious) so that was first port of call. The last i tried was ritalin but i stopped taking it as it made getting to sleep even worse than it always has been. I take 5000mg of good cod liver oil and vitamin b every day and that helps


  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭MrSzyslak


    dbas wrote: »
    i will second what is said about Fitzgerald. I didn't wanna say it yesterday but a family member works in mental health and misdiagnoses of aspergers come in all the time. Trust his diagnosis of ADHD but not the aspergers for now anyway. Research aspergers yourself and make your own mind up about that one. One wonders whether he is on the spectrum himself as his thinking on the co-morbidity of the conditions is a bit concrete.
    Regarding the drugs for ADHD- I was put on strattera first as I've a history of drug abuse (social-not serious) so that was first port of call. The last i tried was ritalin but i stopped taking it as it made getting to sleep even worse than it always has been. I take 5000mg of good cod liver oil and vitamin b every day and that helps

    How did you find the Strattera?

    I am currently on Ritalin and Lexapro for anxiety


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  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭dbas


    MrSzyslak wrote: »
    How did you find the Strattera?

    I am currently on Ritalin and Lexapro for anxiety

    I lasted around 3 days on the strattera. It made me feel really anxious in a physical way. I felt these horrible waves passing through my head which is really hard to explain properly but worried me enough to not take the remaining drugs. Think i went on concerta then which i lasted on for a few months. Started on ritalin afterwards and took those for over 6 months but I stopped as they effected my sleep too much. I don't take anything now bar cod liver oil and vitamin B. I use bose noise cancelling headphones in work as they help me concentrate in a noisy office. I have been thinking of trying out the ritalin again though


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