Season 6 Episode 9 "Battle of the Bastards" - Speculation Thread

Nody

See topic; please spoiler anything from interviews, books, trailers etc.

Thread will be unlocked on Sunday evening.

jebidiah

Sounds like Jon will challenge Ramsey to single combat.

This looks epic.

thomond2006

Will Edmure bring his army to Winterfell?

Hopefully this episode just focuses on this battle, the preview implies this.

Niska

Preview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOzsR8Pk3TE

North of 32

I think the reason Jon looks so distraught is because Ramsey tells him what he did to Rickon. Then the battle commences.

I'm expecting a few Northern armies to line up for the Boltons, and then change side when ordered to attack the Stark army
A bit like Braveheart

The promo seems to show Jon's army rushing to meet the Boltons, to let loose their arrows.
Once the arrows have been used, there looks like a proper skirmish kicking off.
The bit that interests me most from the trailer, is when the line of Bolton shields get up close with the Stark army. I'm expecting them to be non-Bolton men, fighting for the Boltons, who then change side, and attack the Boltons.

The strange thing for me, is that most of the footage in the trailer, seems to indicate that Jon's army will be attacking from left to right. Thats the way the majority of the camera footage seems to be shot
But the scene with the Bolton shields seem to show the Boltons coming from the left.

Also, It looks like Davos is upset by some burned out site. I wonder is that where Shireen was burnt? He's not going to be happy with that

PTH2009

I for one can't wait for this episode

Hopefully my stream works perfectly (PS4 sky go was a nightmare dis morning)

klose

Claganebowl is dead, arise bastardbowl

leonil7

- mellisandre could make some magic trick, before davos kills her because of shireen.

- edmure will not go north, he was never informed. he has become domesticated.

- while everyone is expecting the houses of the Vale for reinforcement, the wild card really is Jaime Lannister..with that raised hand and eyeball gaze to brienne leaving, Jaime might have a changed of heart and redeem his honor/ fulfill his vow to catlyn - the lannister armies could join at the last moment.

im speculating the following would die in the last two episodes
- rickon stark, probably already skinned and crucified at the stake
- queen margery & king tommen, you can only play the pretense game so far. tommen will certainly die, part of the witch prophesy to cersei.

-danny will probably release the 2 dragons, and the 3 dragons will burn the enemy ships, or the iron born will come to the rescue

duffman13

jebidiah wrote: »

Sounds like Jon will challenge Ramsey to single combat.

This looks epic.

It looks like that was rejected by the full scale battle that kicks off. I honestly cannot wait for this episodes, its been a long time coming!

ec18

leonil7 wrote: »

-danny will probably release the 2 dragons, and the 3 dragons will burn the enemy ships, or the iron born will come to the rescue

Didn't Tyrion do this earlier?

RobbingBandit

Looks like Braveheart/The Patriot battle scenes. Time to slip into a diabetic coma for the next 6 days.

RobbingBandit

ec18 wrote: »

Didn't Tyrion do this earlier?

Thought he went to have a look at them. That thump on the ceiling was Dany and Drogon landing on the top of the pyramid. Drogon will burn them ships all by hisself.

ec18

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Thought he went to have a look at them. That thump on the ceiling was Dany and Drogon landing on the top of the pyramid. Drogon will burn them ships all by hisself.

He did take the chains off as well.....but who knows where they went then :O

RobbingBandit

Who is Varys going to get, could be the Golden Company sans Aegon but he seems to be off back to Westeros. Damn plotholes drive me mad.

PTH2009

Could the army of the dead and the whitewalkers make an appearance at bastardbowl ???

Ramsey Wud **** himself if the whitewalker king went after him

EagererBeaver

PTH2009 wrote: »

Could the army of the dead and the whitewalkers make an appearance at bastardbowl ???

Ramsey Wud **** himself if the whitewalker king went after him

Highly unlikely/no. The Wall is still standing.

wp_rathead

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Who is Varys going to get, could be the Golden Company sans Aegon but he seems to be off back to Westeros. Damn plotholes drive me mad.

I'm fearing he is going to Dorne :(

EagererBeaver

wp_rathead wrote: »

I'm fearing he is going to Dorne :(

My thoughts exactly. Both in terms of where he's going and how I feel about it.

GerB40

leonil7 wrote: »

- mellisandre could make some magic trick, before davos kills her because of shireen.

- while everyone is expecting the houses of the Vale for reinforcement, the wild card really is Jaime Lannister..with that raised hand and eyeball gaze to brienne leaving, Jaime might have a changed of heart and redeem his honor/ fulfill his vow to catlyn - the lannister armies could join at the last moment.
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Davos discovering Shireens bones must be significant because it will prove to him that Stannis, a once proud and noble man, was brainwashed by Melisandre into killing his own daughter. For whatever reason, Davos seems invested in Jon's success and despite her resurrecting him, she is dangerously fanatical about her religion and as such is a danger to whoever she follows.

Regarding Jaime, his redemption storyline seems somewhat diminished by basically everything he's done since so maybe his wave to Brienne was his last 'good guy' act. Or maybe he sees that he can redeem himself in his own eyes, if not anyone else's, by fulfilling his oath to Catalyn Stark and helping Sansa. To be fair, Jon's army are completely outnumbered by the Boltons so a Tully/Lannister twist would make the battle a walkover for Jon's crowd..

J. Marston

Jaime isn't heading north. Brienne may have reminded him of honour but he is not going to help out her and Sansa when he desperately wants to get back to Cersei.

leonil7

ec18 wrote: »

leonil7 wrote: »

-danny will probably release the 2 dragons, and the 3 dragons will burn the enemy ships, or the iron born will come to the rescue

Didn't Tyrion do this earlier?

only the chains, but they did not fly out... tyrion mentioned about depression in those dragons 'missing their mother'.

wp_rathead

GerB40 wrote: »

Regarding Jaime, his redemption storyline seems somewhat diminished by basically everything he's done since so maybe his wave to Brienne was his last 'good guy' act. Or maybe he sees that he can redeem himself in his own eyes, if not anyone else's, by fulfilling his oath to Catalyn Stark and helping Sansa. To be fair, Jon's army are completely outnumbered by the Boltons so a Tully/Lannister twist would make the battle a walkover for Jon's crowd..

I actually disagree, he acted a prick to Edmure to avoid the bloodshed of a siege imo

Be interesting about what happens now, I'v feeling he'll be returning to KingsLanding and having a Deja Vu moment regarding "Burn Them All"

leonil7

wp_rathead wrote: »

GerB40 wrote: »

Regarding Jaime, his redemption storyline seems somewhat diminished by basically everything he's done since so maybe his wave to Brienne was his last 'good guy' act. Or maybe he sees that he can redeem himself in his own eyes, if not anyone else's, by fulfilling his oath to Catalyn Stark and helping Sansa. To be fair, Jon's army are completely outnumbered by the Boltons so a Tully/Lannister twist would make the battle a walkover for Jon's crowd..

I actually disagree, he acted a prick to Edmure to avoid the bloodshed of a siege imo

Be interesting about what happens now, I'v feeling he'll be returning to KingsLanding and having a Deja Vu moment regarding "Burn Them All"

still possible me think..when brienne told podrick to send for a maester -'tell sansa we failed' after discussion with blackfish, the script might actually reverse this storyline (as they always do) and surprise the viewers. that's what i like from the series, need to read between the lines and expect the unexpected.

hardCopy

wp_rathead wrote: »

I actually disagree, he acted a prick to Edmure to avoid the bloodshed of a siege imo

Be interesting about what happens now, I'v feeling he'll be returning to KingsLanding and having a Deja Vu moment regarding "Burn Them All"

leonil7 wrote: »

still possible me think..when brienne told podrick to send for a maester -'tell sansa we failed' after discussion with blackfish, the script might actually reverse this storyline (as they always do) and surprise the viewers. that's what i like from the series, need to read between the lines and expect the unexpected.

After the speech he gave about how all that matters in the world is Cersei, killing her to save the people of King's Landing would be another way to redemption for him.

The preview reminds me a bit of Germania in Gladiator which is no bad thing at all.

lbj666

Littlefinger intervention one side or the other either helping Sansa or screwing her over just appears far too predictable. But i am failing to see anything else at the moment.

riffmongous

wp_rathead wrote: »

I actually disagree, he acted a prick to Edmure to avoid the bloodshed of a siege imo

I thought that was the case in the books, but with the absence of inner monologues it does not seem that way to me in the tv show

Mr Freeze

leonil7 wrote: »

- while everyone is expecting the houses of the Vale for reinforcement, the wild card really is Jaime Lannister..with that raised hand and eyeball gaze to brienne leaving, Jaime might have a changed of heart and redeem his honor/ fulfill his vow to catlyn - the lannister armies could join at the last moment.

I love this. Never thought of him helping to fight the Boltons at all, that would be great. But more than likely he will have to repeat his Kingslayer antics and be a Kinslayer this time, even if he is that already after killing his cousin.

One thing from the trailer, the Wildings look to be in shock at the sight of something, they have seen some serious sh1t north of the wall, what could shock south of the wall? What have the boltons done or will they do?

AlreadyHome

I've been predicting a Jaime Lannister 'defection' to the north's cause for some time now, and this seems only increasingly likely after his speech about Cersei.

1) He no longer has any Lannister ties or obligations to anyone but his sister, who I imagine has close to given up on her son. That domineering father figure no longer exists.

2) His nephew/son has turned his back on his mother and, remember, is a Baratheon.

3) His relationship with Brienne is obviously strong and has a pull on his sense of honour - I don't think he's proud of the cold blooded killing carried out in the Red Wedding and would like to atone.

I reckon we'll see the death or exile of Cersei Lannister, with King's Landing becoming the first city ruled by the common people (read: religious zealots) rather than a particular house. This will free Jaime of any obligation - family, honour or otherwise - allowing him to act on right or wrong, which I believe will lead him to Jon Snow's side...though I doubt this will come in time for any involvement with the fight against the Boltons.

EagererBeaver

AlreadyHome wrote: »

I've been predicting a Jaime Lannister 'defection' to the north's cause for some time now, and this seems only increasingly likely after his speech about Cersei.

1) He no longer has any Lannister ties or obligations to anyone but his sister, who I imagine has close to given up on her son. That domineering father figure no longer exists.

I don't think so - her children are the one thing Cersei truly cares about. In Season 2, Tyrion told her it was her only redeeming feature. She may very well kill him by accident or something but I don't think she'll ever give up and will fight to the last.

I really, really hope they do Jaime's "turn" in the show and there have been a few hints of it recently. However, he keeps repeating this ****e about Cersei being the only think he cares about and wanting to get back to her is the only thing driving him. Book Jaime is a far more interesting and complex character so hopefully they can salvage some of that. Given how arse about face the Siege of Riverrun was in the show and how significant letters from the books have shown up late (Pink Letter), maybe Cersei will end up writing to him in the end looking for help to execute her scheme and maybe, just maybe, he might crumple it up and throw it away.

leonil7

Mr Freeze wrote: »

leonil7 wrote: »

- while everyone is expecting the houses of the Vale for reinforcement, the wild card really is Jaime Lannister..with that raised hand and eyeball gaze to brienne leaving, Jaime might have a changed of heart and redeem his honor/ fulfill his vow to catlyn - the lannister armies could join at the last moment.

I love this. Never thought of him helping to fight the Boltons at all, that would be great. But more than likely he will have to repeat his Kingslayer antics and be a Kinslayer this time, even if he is that already after killing his cousin.

One thing from the trailer, the Wildings look to be in shock at the sight of something, they have seen some serious sh1t north of the wall, what could shock south of the wall? What have the boltons done or will they do?

true, remember that scene with tyrion asking missandei and grey worm to lighten up and tell jokes..tyrion talked about the 3 lords and the fly ..grey worm mentioned the starks and the lanninsters 'have always been enemies'..i think the script writer are putting in breadcrumbs for the viewers.. we will see.

razorblunt

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I love this. Never thought of him helping to fight the Boltons at all, that would be great. But more than likely he will have to repeat his Kingslayer antics and be a Kinslayer this time, even if he is that already after killing his cousin.

One thing from the trailer, the Wildings look to be in shock at the sight of something, they have seen some serious sh1t north of the wall, what could shock south of the wall? What have the boltons done or will they do?

The giant falls?

Mr Freeze

razorblunt wrote: »

The giant falls?

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Hope not.

Daith

razorblunt wrote: »

The giant falls?

You don't have a Giant without him dying tbh.

quad_red

Daith wrote: »

You don't have a Giant without him dying tbh.

Ye just know Wun Wun is gonna get toasted

But that looks epic. Usually don't look at previews but after last night's aimlessness, needed a reminder of where it's all going...

homerun_homer

Would be class if Wun Wun kept himself hidden as the battle commences and then just legs it out from the side of the forrest and stamp all over the Bolton army.

quad_red

homerun_homer wrote: »

Would be class if Wun Wun kept himself hidden as the battle commences and then just legs it out from the side of the forrest and stamp all over the Bolton army.

Looks like he's front and centre in that preview clip.

Is Wun Wun the only giant left?

Mr Freeze

quad_red wrote: »

Is Wun Wun the only giant left?

Was just going to ask the same.
He certainly is the only one we have seen in the show since a few and their mammoths were killed attempting to storm Castle Black and the Wall.

BoJack Horseman

quad_red wrote: »

Is Wun Wun the only giant left?

I think he might be.

Mance Raider (sp) rallied the giants to attack the wall but several died.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember it mentioned that Wun Wun is the last.

and from the preview clip, he'll be peppered with arrows.... I doubt he'll make it through.

quad_red

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I think he might be.

Mance Raider (sp) rallied the giants to attack the wall but several died.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember it mentioned that Wun Wun is the last.

and from the preview clip, he'll be peppered with arrows.... I doubt he'll make it through.

I thought Mance said he was the last of a royal blood line that went back before the First Men?

intheclouds

It would be pretty epic if Jaime marched on Winterfell with 8000 Lannister soldiers plus Riverrun soldiers but I think its unlikely.

I think its the Knights of the Vale who will come and save the day along with a switcharoo from the the guy who refused to kneel to Ramsay.

I think Davos might die.

What about Brienne - will she be in the battle? Id like to see her fight Ramsay.

No matter what, we are in for some well choreographed scenes with Jon Snow swinging his sword - an aspect of his character that he always looks great engaging in.

homerun_homer

quad_red wrote: »

Looks like he's front and centre in that preview clip.

Aye I know that won't happen cause of the trailer, just would be cool as a tactic.

I would wonder if Davos will face off with Melisandre if that's him standing over the grave of Shireen.

EagererBeaver

intheclouds wrote: »

No matter what, we are in for some well choreographed scenes with Jon Snow swinging his sword - an aspect of his character that he always looks great engaging in.

Yup, Jon in battle distracts from having to watch Kit Harrington try, and fail miserably, to actually act every now and again.

leonil7

never know..perhaps melisadre will put fire in that sword this time around for everyone to see. but the sword i guess will not be longclaw, but heartsbane (the sword samwell stole..)

CMOTDibbler

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Yup, Jon in battle distracts from having to watch Kit Harrington try, and fail miserably, to actually act every now and again.

Kit Harington strated his career as a stage actor. GoT was his first screen role afaik. He has done a hell of a lot of stage work, so how you can say he's a poor actor is mistifying. You don't get on stage if you're not able to act.

Tristram

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Kit Harington strated his career as a stage actor. GoT was his first screen role afaik. He has done a hell of a lot of stage work, so how you can say he's a poor actor is mistifying. You don't get on stage if you're not able to act.

Pompeii...

EagererBeaver

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Kit Harington strated his career as a stage actor. GoT was his first screen role afaik. He has done a hell of a lot of stage work, so how you can say he's a poor actor is mistifying. You don't get on stage if you're not able to act.

There are plenty of ****e stage actors. I'm not aware of his history but I'd say it probably didn't include too much Shakespeare at the Globe, did it?

He's wooden and incapable of any sort of facial expression whatsoever.

More to the point, in a thread and forum where people really do get het up over nothing and sometimes take things personally, I wouldn't let yourself get too worked up over what somebody else thinks of anybody's acting chops.

CMOTDibbler

EagererBeaver wrote: »

There are plenty of ****e stage actors. I'm not aware of his history but I'd say it probably didn't include too much Shakespeare at the Globe, did it?

He's wooden and incapable of any sort of Daniel expression whatsoever.

More to the point, in a thread and forum where people really do get het up over nothing and sometimes take things personally, I wouldn't let yourself get too worked up over what somebody else thinks of anybody's acting chops.

No it doesn't really matter what you or I think. It just seems that people take the view that since he has had no screen roles before GoT, that he therefore has no acting pedigree.

That's not the case. He had quite a long stage acting career before GoT and sees himself as a stage actor first and foremost. Is there anything wrong with pointing that out?

EagererBeaver

You said how I could call him a poor actor is mystifying. I've watched him be boring and wooden as Jon Snow for five years. That's how.

alchemist33

Havent read all the pages but is this episode really called "Battle of the bastards?" Because if it is, some writer needs to be fired.

CMOTDibbler

EagererBeaver wrote: »

You said how I could call him a poor Scrote is mystifying. I've watched him be boring and wooden as Jon Snow for five years. That's how.

Well I don't agree. The scene where he met Sansa for the first time since season 1 was very well done. Completely believable and very moving.