Multi-lane roundabouts

Turtle-TM

VincePP wrote: »

Only issue is should the other vehicle have waited for you to pass through. That's 50/50 as that vehicle is in front of you and has the right of way to be doing as he/she is doing.

In a way, you are attempting to overtake that vehicle.

I think you'll find that there is no rule saying a car in front of someone waiting to come onto a roundabout has the right of way. It's the complete opposite. The car on the roundabout has right of way, and any car wanting to enter the roundabout should yield to oncoming cars, regardless of what lane they are in, as the person waiting doesn't know at what point they entered the roundabout.

antodeco

I travel the Carrickmines roundabout everyday (work in the business park). The amount of people who ry to skip coming off the M50 in the left lane and taking the 3rd exit. Or the people who randomly select lanes on the next roundabout

VincePP

Turtle-TM wrote: »

I think you'll find that there is no rule saying a car in front of someone waiting to come onto a roundabout has the right of way. It's the complete opposite. The car on the roundabout has right of way, and any car wanting to enter the roundabout should yield to oncoming cars, regardless of what lane they are in, as the person waiting doesn't know at what point they entered the roundabout.

Try reading my post again

blackbox

A lot of problems on roundabouts are caused by not using indicators and using indicators incorrectly.

The person joining the roundabout should have seen that you were indicating left to leave at the next exit and therefore should have waited for you (assuming, of course, that you were indicating left). If you had been indicating right (showing that you planned to go further around) I think they would have been correct to enter the roundabout.

It amazes me the number of people who leave a roundabout without indicating - and sometimes you see them leaving whilst indicating right!!!

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Turtle-TM

blackbox wrote: »

A lot of problems on roundabouts are caused by not using indicators and using indicators incorrectly.

The person joining the roundabout should have seen that you were indicating left to leave at the next exit and therefore should have waited for you (assuming, of course, that you were indicating left). If you had been indicating right (showing that you planned to go further around) I think they would have been correct to enter the roundabout.

It amazes me the number of people who leave a roundabout without indicating - and sometimes you see them leaving whilst indicating right!!!

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I had indicated left just after the exit that goes to the bridge across the m50, so there was plenty of time for her to see. If you look she is also in the left lane indicating right, then takes the ballyogan exit which is the 2nd exit, am I right that if you are taking the "12 o'clock" or 2nd exit you don't indicate, or indicate left after the 1st exit?

Turtle-TM

VincePP wrote: »

Try reading my post again

Not sure I follow in that case. Must have picked up your original post wrongly

blackbox

Turtle-TM wrote: »

... am I right that if you are taking the "12 o'clock" or 2nd exit you don't indicate, or indicate left after the 1st exit?

That's my understanding - if you are taking the "12 o'clock" or 2nd exit you don't indicate when entering the roundabout. You always indicate left as you pass the entrance before the one where you want to exit.

...so if you are planning to leave at the first exit you should already be indicating left as you enter the roundabout.

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ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Turtle-TM is not at fault.

It's drivers with "opinions" like your own that cause so many accidents on roundabouts. "just go for it" is basically what you are saying.

The silver car entered the roundabout when it was not safe to do so and could have caused an accident. The driver should have yield until it was safe to enter the roundabout.

It's not rocket science - vehicles to the right have right-of-way on a roundabout, independent of number of lanes.

VincePP wrote: »

I think you are at fault. The car entered in correct lane. Most likely going onto the ballogan road. There was sufficient space for the car to enter the roundabout safely. You should have eased off and allow the vehicle cross in front of you and proceeded.

Both vehicles are in correct lanes. Only issue is should the other vehicle have waited for you to pass through. That's 50/50 as that vehicle is in front of you and has the right of way to be doing as he/she is doing.

In a way, you are attempting to overtake that vehicle.

Jesus.

VincePP wrote: »

I think you are at fault.

Whether the OP is at fault or not it was poor driving on his part. You could see a mile off what the other car was doing yet the OP continued up on top of her then braked late on and blasted the horn. He should have anticipated this manoeuvre and held back a bit. Perhaps he was trying to make a point? Bad behaviour if so.

spuddy

There's a simple rule which applies here, you always give way to traffic to your right. In this case, the Hyundai Coupe should have yielded to the OP.
The OP was in the correct lane, he/she however should have spotted the other driver's failing and eased off before. Top marks for theory...

wonski

spuddy wrote: »

There's a simple rule which applies here, you always give way to traffic to your right. In this case, the Hyundai Coupe should have yielded to the OP.
The OP was in the correct lane, he/she however should have spotted the other driver's failing and eased off before. Top marks for theory...

On a roundabout exit? Interesting view

You can't change a lane if it is not clear, doesn't matter if it is on your left or right

Right hand rule doesn't really work here, if that is the simple rule you are referring to...

Vic_08

Well this thread has proceeded in a thoroughly predictable way. OP put video up followed by the usual lot of self-appointed experts making up their own rules and slating the OP.

Add in some laughable Paddy Logic "even though he was in the right, by not allowing the other person to do what they liked without complaint he was actually in the wrong" nonsense from a thoroughly predictable source and we have the thread nicely filled with the required amount of shoite.

spuddy

wonski wrote: »

On a roundabout exit? Interesting view

You can't change a lane if it is not clear, doesn't matter if it is on your left or right

Right hand rule doesn't really work here, if that is the simple rule you are referring to...

It applies on a roundabout as for anywhere else. Had it been followed, the OP would have exited the roundabout unimpeded.

Turtle-TM

Vic_08 wrote: »

Well this thread has proceeded in a thoroughly predictable way. OP put video up followed by the usual lot of self-appointed experts making up their own rules and slating the OP.

Add in some laughable Paddy Logic "even though he was in the right, by not allowing the other person to do what they liked without complaint he was actually in the wrong" nonsense from a thoroughly predictable source and we have the thread nicely filled with the required amount of shoite.

That's the issue with nearly every scenario of driving in this country. Use a roundabout correctly, you're "supposed" to yield to people who don't know how to use it, and let them do what they want.
Drive at the speed limit, be prepared for someone to be up your arse. Try to drive in the correct lane on a motorway, be prepared to either have to undertake or lane hop to get around people.

Jesus.

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

That is the only part that matters. The Other Car joined the Roundabout when it was not safe to do so.Nate

Of course its not the only part that matters. Say the OP had continued on and smashed into the car injuring himself and the woman, would that have been okay because it was the other car that was in the wrong?

You have to anticipate other people's mistakes and take evasive action accordingly.

Jack Killian

spuddy wrote: »

It applies on a roundabout as for anywhere else. Had it been followed, the OP would have exited the roundabout unimpeded.

How so ? If you're in a right-hand lane you cannot cut across a car in the left lane to turn left.

Gasherbraun

Agree roundabout use is not good.but at least there are none of these here. I know people who will take massive detours to avoid the Hemel 'magic roundabout'.

Funny thing is it actually works pretty well!

robbie99

Whatever about the who has right of way, if the OP had crashed into that Hyundai with that amount of time to read the situation, the OP would have been charged with dangerous driving.

stoneill

looks to me like you were crossing a lane to exit the roundabout.
You should have been in the correct lane just after previous exit.

Cordell

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

You are supposed to cross lanes when exiting from inner lanes, how else can you exit then? IMHO the OP is not at fault at all for his approach and trajectory, but if it were to be an accident like this he will be partially responsible because you are also supposed to watch traffic on the outer lane when exiting.

Mc Love

Cordell wrote: »

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

You are supposed to cross lanes when exiting from inner lanes, how else can you exit then? IMHO the OP is not at fault at all for his approach and trajectory, but if it were to be an accident like this he will be partially responsible because you are also supposed to watch traffic on the outer lane when exiting.

I dont the OP would be at fault as traffic is meant to yield to traffic approaching from the right which the other car never did and joined the roundabout anyway.

hmmm

I'm not ashamed to admit I haven't the faintest clue how the lanes work on the big M50 roundabouts which I rarely have to use. There's lines and dotted lines and slanty lines and, bloody hell, how am I supposed to know where I should be. I just take it slow and use my indicators, and I'm not alone in that.

Cordell

Mc Love wrote: »

I dont the OP would be at fault as traffic is meant to yield to traffic approaching from the right which the other car never did and joined the roundabout anyway.

Well, yeah, maybe not liable. But when you have 3-5 seconds to slow down and avoid a car that was supposed to yield but it didn't you will be at least a bit responsible.

Turtle-TM

Jack Killian wrote: »

How so ? If you're in a right-hand lane you cannot cut across a car in the left lane to turn left.

On a roundabout with 2 lanes, and a person is in the right hand lane because the entrance and exit they are taking dictates that, then there shouldn't be a car in the left lane. It's not "cutting accross", it's exiting the roundabout correctly

Turtle-TM

robbie99 wrote: »

Whatever about the who has right of way, if the OP had crashed into that Hyundai with that amount of time to read the situation, the OP would have been charged with dangerous driving.

Thanks Garda fortune teller. Wonderful input.

robbie99

robbie99 wrote: »

Whatever about the who has right of way, if the OP had crashed into that Hyundai with that amount of time to read the situation, the OP would have been charged with dangerous driving.

No he wouldn't!!!

harr

I had a bit of an accident on a similar roundabout 4 years ago, in the exact situation as the op , I went to take my exit and van appeared out of nowhere funny thing is traffic cop told me I was partly to blame as I crossed lanes to take a exit...insurance company's went 50/50 ...so it's bad when some guards don't know the correct procedure on roundabout...

VincePP

Jesus. wrote: »

Whether the OP is at fault or not it was poor driving on his part. You could see a mile off what the other car was doing yet the OP continued up on top of her then braked late on and blasted the horn. He should have anticipated this manoeuvre and held back a bit. Perhaps he was trying to make a point? Bad behaviour if so.

Precisely as i said.

The op had plenty of time to ease back, hence if there was an accident the op would be the primary blame with contribution from the other car.

VincePP

stoneill wrote: »

looks to me like you were crossing a lane to exit the roundabout.
You should have been in the correct lane just after previous exit.

Normally that is correct, but "when indicated by signage or road markinge" it can differ. On that roundabout both lanes can be used to continue in similar lanes on the glenamuck road - it is indicated on road markings on approach.

VincePP

Mc Love wrote: »

I dont the OP would be at fault as traffic is meant to yield to traffic approaching from the right which the other car never did and joined the roundabout anyway.

Its a judgement call - otherwise you'd be waiting all day at many roundabouts. You need to judge that you can enter the roundabout without hindering other traffic on the roundabout (not just to the right)