Multi-lane roundabouts

Turtle-TM

I know I know, I may as well be talking about fog lights (am I even allowed say those words?!) but the standard of driving and level of knowledge of how to use roundabouts, particularly multi lane entry/exit roundabouts is terrible.

This afternoon on my favourite of these, at carrickmines I had yet another person enter the roundabout in the left lane, ahead of me, as I was in the right lane having come all the way around the roundabout, she intended to take the second exit, I was indicating well before the exit I wanted, which she didn't notice, and low and behold, as I try to exit the roundabout from the right lane, into the right of 2 lanes in the exit she is slap bang there beside me. I could see it coming a mile off so had slowed, but still had to stop to avoid her hitting me. The icing on the cake however was someone shouting "you were in the wrong lane mate" from a passing car. So that's 2 people who can't use a roundabout correctly.

Not only did this lady enter the roundabout when there was traffic to her right, she was also indicating as if she intended to continue past the second exit, even though she was in the left most lane.

I have the footage from my dash cam. Haven't looked at it yet but if anyone wants to see it, I can upload tomorrow. But I wonder how many on here will tell me I was in the wrong lane...even though I wasn't!

Jesus.

Turtle-TM wrote: »

I wonder how many on here will tell me I was in the wrong lane...even though I wasn't!

Plenty of people if you were actually in the wrong one

Turtle-TM

Jesus. wrote: »

Plenty of people if you were actually in the wrong one

Lucky I wasn't in the wrong lane then!

savagethegoat

she wasn't right but then again if she was ahead of you entering the roundabout, she should still have been ahead of you at the exit....seems to me you must have been passing her ?

punisher5112

These type of roundabouts should be light controlled.

That one is lethal as they use all lanes to go anyway at all.

coolisin

Oh how I love carrickmines!
So many times I've being in the exact same situation, poor lane discipline from people on the roundabouts.
People jumping onto the roundabouts with their eyes closed, almost taking whatever exit they feel like.

12Phase

The one that occasionally gets me is where I'm in the correct lane as per the road markings in the Kinsale Road roundabout in Cork aiming to go for the 3rd exit. This is a 3 lane signalised roundabout.

On several occasions as I attempted to exit someone has driven straight across me in the outside lane beeping!

Lights go green they're sitting to my left in the 1st lane and they decide to turn right to continue around the roundabout!!!

Dardania

As a country, we're quite light on signage for lanes.
Travelling on the continent, I have seen signage indicating what lane one should be in for which exit...could help
I wonder if the NRA or the local councils don't want to maintain signs...

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Please god no!
Traffic lights on roundabouts are a pain in the backside and generally slow traffic flow.

Enforcement of the rules of the road is the only solution.

punisher5112 wrote: »

These type of roundabouts should be light controlled.

That one is lethal as they use all lanes to go anyway at all.

Story Bud?

I was nearly taken out of it by a van there a couple of weeks ago.

Coming from the racecourse roundabout, I was in the right hand lane going on to the roundabout and exiting at the other side in the right hand lane to go to the retail park. The van in the left hand lane who entered at the same time as me decided to go all the way around the roundabout to enter the M50 northbound.

Absolute dickhead.

Seeing so many bad drivers on roundabouts lately. I don't know how they can't grasp the very basics.

The carrickmines roundabout is fairly bad alright, people just drive out in front of you all the time because it has two lanes.
No one seems to care what the rules are.
The one the far side of the m50 is worse though, the racecourse roundabout, the amount of people that sit in the left hand lane coming from carrickmines to go right at this roundabout is unbelievable, I don't know how many accidents I have managed to avoid there.

Turtle-TM

I just know it's not a matter of if I'll have an accident on that roundabout, but when. Coming from ballyogan road I need to take the exit that the retail park is on to get home, and at least 3 out of 5 times someone enters the roundabout while I'm on it, or switched lanes, or just purely drives out in front of me into my lane. I guess it's not helped by the Sunday drivers going to the retail park either

Liam McPoyle

The Walkinstown roundabout is absolute bedlam when there is any level of traffic on the road.

deathtocaptcha

the problem is signage and road markings - most of them are confusing as **** if approaching for the first time...

I don't see why all 3 lane roundabouts don't have big overhead signs or signs well in advance of roundabout saying "stay in left lane to head to x", "middle lane for y", right lane for z"... they do a much better job of it in the north where lane markings and signs are much clearer and you know well in advance where you need to be...

for example this is approaching a 3 lane roundabout in Coleraine... you can clearly see what lane you should be in depending on where you want to go:

https://www.google.com/maps/@55.1221069,-6.6753288,3a,75y,52.13h,75.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scBLaJs1J1IgKTCHcF_NalQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

EagererBeaver

Come on, where's the footage?

dexoticus

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

The Walkinstown roundabout is absolute bedlam when there is any level of traffic on the road.

The Walkinstown Roundabout with the six exits remain to be a mystery to me re what's the correct lane to be in. My personal rule is:

Inside lane (first 2 exits)
Middle lane (next 2 exits)
Outside lane (last exit & u-turn around the roundabout)

But this contradicts the "12 o'clock" rule, so perhaps the middle lane should be for exit 3 only?

blondeonblonde

dexoticus wrote: »

The Walkinstown Roundabout with the six exits remain to be a mystery to me re what's the correct lane to be in. My personal rule is:

Inside lane (first 2 exits)
Middle lane (next 2 exits)
Outside lane (last exit & u-turn around the roundabout)

But this contradicts the "12 o'clock" rule, so perhaps the middle lane should be for exit 3 only?

Its impossible to negotiate the Walkinstown roundabout according to any rules because everyone else will also have their own interpretation!

It really is an abomination. The moral if the story is to simply make it through as best you can without crashing or being crashed into!

Jesus.

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Come on, where's the footage?

I don't think we're gonna see it

dzwx

Malahide Road Roundabout in Swords is another bad example.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Poorly sign posted and the road markings are non existent on that roundabout. On top of that, you have drivers who simply cannot use a roundabout safely/correctly.

dzwx wrote: »

Malahide Road Roundabout in Swords is another bad example.

Jesus.

dzwx wrote: »

Malahide Road Roundabout in Swords is another bad example.

There's constantly tips and bangs on that roundabout. Another dangerous one is the Airport. Nothing wrong with the roundabout itself but its the first one a lot of Americans have ever seen when they hop into their rental car. I often see them driving right the way around it 2 or 3 times in the outside lane not knowing what on earth to do or where to go. Lots of near misses on that one.

Turtle-TM

Apologies for the weird noise on the audio, presuming something is up with the camera, might just upgrade it to an 0806 soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfcajrtpQV8

Typical behaviour on this roundabout, they seem to think because there's two lanes that they can just drive out in front of someone in the other lane.
Happens all the time.

VincePP

Turtle-TM wrote: »

Apologies for the weird noise on the audio, presuming something is up with the camera, might just upgrade it to an 0806 soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfcajrtpQV8

I think you are at fault. The car entered in correct lane. Most likely going onto the ballogan road. There was sufficient space for the car to enter the roundabout safely. You should have eased off and allow the vehicle cross in front of you and proceeded.

Both vehicles are in correct lanes. Only issue is should the other vehicle have waited for you to pass through. That's 50/50 as that vehicle is in front of you and has the right of way to be doing as he/she is doing.

In a way, you are attempting to overtake that vehicle.

No, he's not at fault, the car should have waited for the roundabout to be clear, you can't just drive out in front of cars.
That car had no idea where he was going, could have been carrickmines, could have been ballyogan rd, could have been m50 north.
Other car should have waited

whiterebel

Its no wonder its so confused when they change it and start using this 12 o'clock rule load of bollix. People couldn't understand when it was left lane for the 1st two exits and right lane after that are even more baffled now.

Having seen the video, I think the OP should have moved over to the left lane sooner, and tucked in behind the car entering the roundabout.

VincePP

bubblypop wrote: »

No, he's not at fault, the car should have waited for the roundabout to be clear, you can't just drive out in front of cars.
That car had no idea where he was going, could have been carrickmines, could have been ballyogan rd, could have been m50 north.
Other car should have waited

I agree that the car should have waited, but still the op had plenty of time to ease off and allow the car proceed, hence if there was an accident it would be the op at fault in the main with contribution from other vehicle.

VincePP

VincePP wrote: »

I agree that the car should have waited, but still the op had plenty of time to ease off and allow the car proceed, hence if there was an accident it would be the op at fault in the main with contribution from other vehicle.

Well if the OP was exiting at ballyogan rd, and so was the other car, they would've collided.
There's only one lane on ballyogan rd.
So other cars fault.

Nate--IRL--

VincePP wrote: »

I agree that the car should have waited,

That is the only part that matters. The Other Car joined the Roundabout when it was not safe to do so.

Nate

MadDog76

dexoticus wrote: »

The Walkinstown Roundabout with the six exits remain to be a mystery to me re what's the correct lane to be in. My personal rule is:

Inside lane (first 2 exits)
Middle lane (next 2 exits)
Outside lane (last exit & u-turn around the roundabout)

But this contradicts the "12 o'clock" rule, so perhaps the middle lane should be for exit 3 only?

Look up the RSA Rules of the Road book, it has the Walkinstown roundabout rule in it .............. it's called the "Just Go For It!!" rule.

Turtle-TM

VincePP wrote: »

I agree that the car should have waited, but still the op had plenty of time to ease off and allow the car proceed, hence if there was an accident it would be the op at fault in the main with contribution from other vehicle.

If you look at the gps speed on the video I travelled at a constant speed nearly all the way around. The only reason I caught up was because I was in the inside lane so had less distance to travel.

As for "moving into the left lane and tucking in behind the car" that entered the roundabout, that's also not the way to use a roundabout. Stay in lane until you reach your exit.

Turtle-TM

VincePP wrote: »

Only issue is should the other vehicle have waited for you to pass through. That's 50/50 as that vehicle is in front of you and has the right of way to be doing as he/she is doing.

In a way, you are attempting to overtake that vehicle.

I think you'll find that there is no rule saying a car in front of someone waiting to come onto a roundabout has the right of way. It's the complete opposite. The car on the roundabout has right of way, and any car wanting to enter the roundabout should yield to oncoming cars, regardless of what lane they are in, as the person waiting doesn't know at what point they entered the roundabout.

antodeco

I travel the Carrickmines roundabout everyday (work in the business park). The amount of people who ry to skip coming off the M50 in the left lane and taking the 3rd exit. Or the people who randomly select lanes on the next roundabout

VincePP

Turtle-TM wrote: »

I think you'll find that there is no rule saying a car in front of someone waiting to come onto a roundabout has the right of way. It's the complete opposite. The car on the roundabout has right of way, and any car wanting to enter the roundabout should yield to oncoming cars, regardless of what lane they are in, as the person waiting doesn't know at what point they entered the roundabout.

Try reading my post again

blackbox

A lot of problems on roundabouts are caused by not using indicators and using indicators incorrectly.

The person joining the roundabout should have seen that you were indicating left to leave at the next exit and therefore should have waited for you (assuming, of course, that you were indicating left). If you had been indicating right (showing that you planned to go further around) I think they would have been correct to enter the roundabout.

It amazes me the number of people who leave a roundabout without indicating - and sometimes you see them leaving whilst indicating right!!!

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Turtle-TM

blackbox wrote: »

A lot of problems on roundabouts are caused by not using indicators and using indicators incorrectly.

The person joining the roundabout should have seen that you were indicating left to leave at the next exit and therefore should have waited for you (assuming, of course, that you were indicating left). If you had been indicating right (showing that you planned to go further around) I think they would have been correct to enter the roundabout.

It amazes me the number of people who leave a roundabout without indicating - and sometimes you see them leaving whilst indicating right!!!

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I had indicated left just after the exit that goes to the bridge across the m50, so there was plenty of time for her to see. If you look she is also in the left lane indicating right, then takes the ballyogan exit which is the 2nd exit, am I right that if you are taking the "12 o'clock" or 2nd exit you don't indicate, or indicate left after the 1st exit?

Turtle-TM

VincePP wrote: »

Try reading my post again

Not sure I follow in that case. Must have picked up your original post wrongly

blackbox

Turtle-TM wrote: »

... am I right that if you are taking the "12 o'clock" or 2nd exit you don't indicate, or indicate left after the 1st exit?

That's my understanding - if you are taking the "12 o'clock" or 2nd exit you don't indicate when entering the roundabout. You always indicate left as you pass the entrance before the one where you want to exit.

...so if you are planning to leave at the first exit you should already be indicating left as you enter the roundabout.

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ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Turtle-TM is not at fault.

It's drivers with "opinions" like your own that cause so many accidents on roundabouts. "just go for it" is basically what you are saying.

The silver car entered the roundabout when it was not safe to do so and could have caused an accident. The driver should have yield until it was safe to enter the roundabout.

It's not rocket science - vehicles to the right have right-of-way on a roundabout, independent of number of lanes.

VincePP wrote: »

I think you are at fault. The car entered in correct lane. Most likely going onto the ballogan road. There was sufficient space for the car to enter the roundabout safely. You should have eased off and allow the vehicle cross in front of you and proceeded.

Both vehicles are in correct lanes. Only issue is should the other vehicle have waited for you to pass through. That's 50/50 as that vehicle is in front of you and has the right of way to be doing as he/she is doing.

In a way, you are attempting to overtake that vehicle.

Jesus.

VincePP wrote: »

I think you are at fault.

Whether the OP is at fault or not it was poor driving on his part. You could see a mile off what the other car was doing yet the OP continued up on top of her then braked late on and blasted the horn. He should have anticipated this manoeuvre and held back a bit. Perhaps he was trying to make a point? Bad behaviour if so.

spuddy

There's a simple rule which applies here, you always give way to traffic to your right. In this case, the Hyundai Coupe should have yielded to the OP.
The OP was in the correct lane, he/she however should have spotted the other driver's failing and eased off before. Top marks for theory...

wonski

spuddy wrote: »

There's a simple rule which applies here, you always give way to traffic to your right. In this case, the Hyundai Coupe should have yielded to the OP.
The OP was in the correct lane, he/she however should have spotted the other driver's failing and eased off before. Top marks for theory...

On a roundabout exit? Interesting view

You can't change a lane if it is not clear, doesn't matter if it is on your left or right

Right hand rule doesn't really work here, if that is the simple rule you are referring to...

Vic_08

Well this thread has proceeded in a thoroughly predictable way. OP put video up followed by the usual lot of self-appointed experts making up their own rules and slating the OP.

Add in some laughable Paddy Logic "even though he was in the right, by not allowing the other person to do what they liked without complaint he was actually in the wrong" nonsense from a thoroughly predictable source and we have the thread nicely filled with the required amount of shoite.

spuddy

wonski wrote: »

On a roundabout exit? Interesting view

You can't change a lane if it is not clear, doesn't matter if it is on your left or right

Right hand rule doesn't really work here, if that is the simple rule you are referring to...

It applies on a roundabout as for anywhere else. Had it been followed, the OP would have exited the roundabout unimpeded.

Turtle-TM

Vic_08 wrote: »

Well this thread has proceeded in a thoroughly predictable way. OP put video up followed by the usual lot of self-appointed experts making up their own rules and slating the OP.

Add in some laughable Paddy Logic "even though he was in the right, by not allowing the other person to do what they liked without complaint he was actually in the wrong" nonsense from a thoroughly predictable source and we have the thread nicely filled with the required amount of shoite.

That's the issue with nearly every scenario of driving in this country. Use a roundabout correctly, you're "supposed" to yield to people who don't know how to use it, and let them do what they want.
Drive at the speed limit, be prepared for someone to be up your arse. Try to drive in the correct lane on a motorway, be prepared to either have to undertake or lane hop to get around people.

Jesus.

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

That is the only part that matters. The Other Car joined the Roundabout when it was not safe to do so.Nate

Of course its not the only part that matters. Say the OP had continued on and smashed into the car injuring himself and the woman, would that have been okay because it was the other car that was in the wrong?

You have to anticipate other people's mistakes and take evasive action accordingly.

Jack Killian

spuddy wrote: »

It applies on a roundabout as for anywhere else. Had it been followed, the OP would have exited the roundabout unimpeded.

How so ? If you're in a right-hand lane you cannot cut across a car in the left lane to turn left.

Gasherbraun

Agree roundabout use is not good.but at least there are none of these here. I know people who will take massive detours to avoid the Hemel 'magic roundabout'.

Funny thing is it actually works pretty well!

robbie99

Whatever about the who has right of way, if the OP had crashed into that Hyundai with that amount of time to read the situation, the OP would have been charged with dangerous driving.

stoneill

looks to me like you were crossing a lane to exit the roundabout.
You should have been in the correct lane just after previous exit.

Cordell

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

You are supposed to cross lanes when exiting from inner lanes, how else can you exit then? IMHO the OP is not at fault at all for his approach and trajectory, but if it were to be an accident like this he will be partially responsible because you are also supposed to watch traffic on the outer lane when exiting.