New Bin Charges - Ray Whelan

BattleCorp

What's the story with the new bin charges that are starting on July 1st?

How much is the service charge and the price per kg?

It's a bit much for them to be telling us that we need to keep our account in credit and telling us to keep at least €30 per month in the account without telling us how much things are.

And if you don't have your account in credit your bin won't be collected and you'll be fined €5, are you are having a fuppin laugh.

I am predicting rubbish will be dumped all over the countryside.

godwin

BattleCorp wrote: »

I am predicting rubbish will be dumped all over the countryside.

I won't be doing that, but I will be burning as much as possible in the stove.

BattleCorp

godwin wrote: »

I won't be doing that, but I will be burning as much as possible in the stove.

I think a lot of people will be using chimineas or something similar to burn their rubbish. Stoves aren't great, you'd be stinking out your house.

jelutong

BattleCorp wrote: »

I think a lot of people will be using chimineas or something similar to burn their rubbish. Stoves aren't great, you'd be stinking out your house.

Better than stinking the neighbors though. And illegal I guess.

foggy_lad

Burning of domestic/household waste is illegal whether done in your stove, range, chimnea or backyard incinerator barrel

godwin

Burning stuff in the stove is more environmentally friendly than dumping it in landfill.

Heats my house via the backboiler while burning

No diesel emissions from the bin lorry

Doesn't sit in a landfill for 20,000 years

My stove doesn't stink, it's sealed.

foggy_lad

Does anyone know how much Whelans are charging for the pay by weight collections?

7foot ginger

foggy_lad wrote: »

Does anyone know how much Whelans are charging for the pay by weight collections?

They don't have the charges yet I was told on the phone yesterday they should have them during the week. Where did they come up with €30? We aren't paying that much now. Will that extra €7 be credited against the weight charges? It wasn't made very clear in the letter really

van_beano

Here's an idea what the Greyhound waste crowd will be charging in Dublin when the pay by weight comes in on July 1st

Service Charge €3.25 per week
Black Bin 35c per kilo
Brown Bin 23c per kilo
Green Bin Free

BattleCorp

7foot ginger wrote: »

They don't have the charges yet I was told on the phone yesterday they should have them during the week. Where did they come up with €30? We aren't paying that much now. Will that extra €7 be credited against the weight charges? It wasn't made very clear in the letter really

I'd say the service charge is going to be €5 per week because they are going to charge you €5 in the event your account isn't in credit. So in that instance, it costs you €5 to not have your bin collected.

And they will charge you €2 to take your money off you if you pay over the phone.

Are all the bins the same weight? Will they charge you for the weight of the bin plus the contents of the bin too?

tommycahir

Will they also have some form of on-line invoicing so that we can see how much each bin lift weighed?

Their communication surrounding all of this is very very poor and unprofessional. It's not like this was sprung on them a few weeks ago, they have had knowledge of this coming down the tracks for some time now.

BattleCorp

tommycahir wrote: »

Will they also have some form of on-line invoicing so that we can see how much each bin lift weighed?

Their communication surrounding all of this is very very poor and unprofessional. It's not like this was sprung on them a few weeks ago, they have had knowledge of this coming down the tracks for some time now.

They want us to sign up and have our accounts in credit but yet don't tell us what we will be paying.

It feels like we are being lubed up ready for a shafting.

droidman123

Anyone get a security warning when they try to log on to the greyhound website from a mobile device? I only get it on my mobile phone, it seems to be ok on my laptop.

mneylon

I'm currently using AES and there's zero information on their site about the new billing plans etc., which is quite annoying. I contacted them months ago but they still haven't given any indication about how they'll bill from July onwards

Darwin

I'm with AES too, I'd say €5 weekly service charge sounds in right ballpark. I paid €312 last year for a small waste bin and a recycle bin, so 52*5 = €260 plus say 35c per kilo for the waste bin would have given me a bill of €330 last year.

BattleCorp

Darwin wrote: »

I'm with AES too, I'd say €5 weekly service charge sounds in right ballpark. I paid €312 last year for a small waste bin and a recycle bin, so 52*5 = €260 plus say 35c per kilo for the waste bin would have given me a bill of €330 last year.

I've two bins with Ray Whelan, a rubbish bin and a recycling bin. I won't swear on it but I think we were around €21 per month for collection so €21 x 12 = €252 per year.

Owryan

Darwin wrote: »

I'm with AES too, I'd say €5 weekly service charge sounds in right ballpark. I paid €312 last year for a small waste bin and a recycle bin, so 52*5 = €260 plus say 35c per kilo for the waste bin would have given me a bill of €330 last year.

Same, with AES have the 240l refuse and recycling bins. Last year was €250 and this year they only charged till July €130.

Find them v poor in terms of customer service.
Been trying to switch to the smaller refuse bin but apparently they dont use them in Carlow??

Agent Coulson

I'm with AES and have the 140L refuse bin in Carlow town.

I find AES a lot easier to deal than Ray Whelan whose staff in the office and on the phone I always felt were very rude whenever I wanted to pay or ask a question too.

BoatMad

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd say the service charge is going to be €5 per week because they are going to charge you €5 in the event your account isn't in credit. So in that instance, it costs you €5 to not have your bin collected.

And they will charge you €2 to take your money off you if you pay over the phone.

Are all the bins the same weight? Will they charge you for the weight of the bin plus the contents of the bin too?

that would be 20 euro per month standing charge , thats about what I pay ray whelan right now per annum for unweighted lifts

Jeepers, add typical Kg charges and the collection costs are going to skyrocket. maybe the water was the wrong protest !!!!!

pat1981

BoatMad wrote: »

that would be 20 euro per month standing charge , thats about what I pay ray whelan right now per annum for unweighted lifts

Jeepers, add typical Kg charges and the collection costs are going to skyrocket. maybe the water was the wrong protest !!!!!

Totally agree. I pay €31 per month for 2 bins = €382 for the year. When I lived in dunloaghaire coco area and they introduced weight charges per kilo in the 2000s I was paying approximately €850 per year for 1 bin weekly collection. I suspect to be paying a similar amount now. I'm very surprised there hasn't been much discussion on this, maybe when the bills start arriving things might change, this could be far more costly than water charges.

racso1975

It's not worth my while signing up to any of these. I live by myself and would have a max of 1 black bag a week if even. I just noticed the other day there is a black bin machine at back of supervalu in tullow and it's 6 euro a bag. On a yearly basis thats 312 euro. Going on your 850 a year thats nearly 3 bags a week you could put in it.

That standing charge per week is a total joke as is the 30 min credit to get a lift and if you dont have the 30 they wont lift but will still process the charge!!!

Owryan

According to the girl from AES i was talking to their charges will be €96 standing charge (6 months) so €16 per month. Waste bin will be 25c per kg and the recycling bin will have no charge.

She's not sure how the billing will work but your account will have to be in credit for the bins to be collected.

They are also implementing new procedures to ensure that there is no contaminated waste going into the recycling bins.

I did ask her what about people putting their rubbish into my bins and she said the onus will be on the customer to prevent this.

*quick maths. At the moment im paying around €21-22 per month. Under the new structure it will be €16 plus approx €8 per lift. I ave 30-32kg per fortnight. So my new refuse charge will be roughly €32 a month.

foggy_lad

I'm paying €20/month with Whelan's at the moment but will be moving from them if they hike up the charges! AES are currently charging almost double for services in Carlow compared to Kildare, how are they going to keep track of all their pay by weight charges for different areas?

BattleCorp

We still don't know the prices to be charged by Ray Whelan and this is supposed to kick off in three weeks.

I'd say that there is a good chance that I will be telling Ray Whelan to fcuk off once we know what we will be paying.

pat1981

I rang rw today looking for info, but was told prices per kilo are not available at the moment.The only info I could get was that the 240 bins when full were about 30kilos in weight and that to reduce the weight I should use the recycle bin,however I already use this so things aren't going to change that much.

I rang aes and I was quoted 25c per kilo, but interestingly i was told that a 240 bin fully laden was between 75-80 kilos. I would tend to agree with this figure more so than the 30 kilo mentioned by the rw rep, but then again I could be wrong.

A €15 per month service charge not sure if this applies to 2x240 bins, but say it does i'm looking at approximately 1080 per year, based on 2x 75 kilo bin collected every 2 weeks if I was to change to aes.

It will be interesting to note rw fees when they announce this. Looking back when I was paying €31 for 2 bins under the old regime seemed great value.

Owryan

pat1981 wrote: »

I rang rw today looking for info, but was told prices per kilo are not available at the moment.The only info I could get was that the 240 bins when full were about 30kilos in weight and that to reduce the weight I should use the recycle bin,however I already use this so things aren't going to change that much.

I rang aes and I was quoted 25c per kilo, but interestingly i was told that a 240 bin fully laden was between 75-80 kilos. I would tend to agree with this figure more so than the 30 kilo mentioned by the rw rep, but then again I could be wrong.

A €15 per month service charge not sure if this applies to 2x240 bins, but say it does i'm looking at approximately 1080 per year, based on 2x 75 kilo bin collected every 2 weeks if I was to change to aes.

It will be interesting to note rw fees when they announce this. Looking back when I was paying €31 for 2 bins under the old regime seemed great value.

My 240l bin goes out half empty every 2 weeks and according to AES it weighs on ave 30kg. The C.S. i was talking to said the service charge was regardless of how many bins i have.

BattleCorp

€16 service charge per month.

€0.23 per kg.

Possible 70kg bin = 70 × .23 = €16.10

€16 + 16.10 = €32.10 possible per month.

That's an increase of about €110 more per year than I'm currently paying.

JaCrispy

BattleCorp wrote: »

Possible 70kg bin = 70 × .23 = €16.10

€16 + 16.10 = €32.10 possible per month.

Does your calculation assume leaving the bin out once a week or once a month?

BattleCorp

JaCrispy wrote: »

Does your calculation assume leaving the bin out once a week or once a month?

Oops. You are right. I was calculating for one bin weighing 70kg per month. I would be getting 2 collections per month. I guess I'll be digging deeper into my pocket.

patrickc

the higher prices than expected must be due the cost of the rental/purchase of the old cannery yard which he seems to have moved into in the last few weeks

tommycahir

I found it funny how they posted those to facebook approx 10 minutes before they closed on Friday and then stated there will be too many messages for them to respond to on that so call the office to discuss.. The same office which was closed all weekend!! Nice timing.. or maybe that is me being cynical ....

Owryan

tommycahir wrote: »

I found it funny how they posted those to facebook approx 10 minutes before they closed on Friday and then stated there will be too many messages for them to respond to on that so call the office to discuss.. The same office which was closed all weekend!! Nice timing.. or maybe that is me being cynical ....

What struck me was the number of fb comments about switching to AES because they have a flat rate. Obviously totally unaware that pbw is being introduced by every refuse collector

tabby aspreme

I was in the office getting stickers on Friday afternoon and they told me that all customers would be contacted by text with the new prices by close of business today, Monday, I'm not holding my breath they seem to be the most disorganized office i've ever been in.

BattleCorp

My bill will probably be close to double what it is now. It goes without saying that I am very unhappy about this.

I'll see how much my first few collections work out at and then I'll know whether to cancel the account or not.

Fcuked if I am going to be paying double.

tommycahir

BattleCorp wrote: »

My bill will probably be close to double what it is now. It goes without saying that I am very unhappy about this.

I'll see how much my first few collections work out at and then I'll know whether to cancel the account or not.

Fcuked if I am going to be paying double.

Yeah working out the costs over the weekend and we are looking at approx double for us aswell, currently playing €23p/m and reckon it will approx be €40p/m.

really don't understand what is the driver behind this type of increase unless as mentioned above it is down to taking on the old erin foods site..

Agent Coulson

I think a lot of people are going to have issues when they leave there bins out at night and someone throws there rubbish into it.

foggy_lad

Thanks to the Green Party turncoats and Tipperary's finest Anthrax "smelly" Kelly for this latest Government rip off of citizens.

foggy_lad

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I think a lot of people are going to have issues when they leave there bins out at night and someone throws there rubbish into it.

I think a lot of people are just not going to be leaving bins out anymore as those charges are way over the top! that's an 100% increase per month for many people.

Owryan

I'd be as well off copying my neighbours and dumping my rubbish in the lane to the back of my house. Every month or so the council comes along and clears it all up.

BattleCorp

tommycahir wrote: »

Yeah working out the costs over the weekend and we are looking at approx double for us aswell, currently playing €23p/m and reckon it will approx be €40p/m.

really don't understand what is the driver behind this type of increase unless as mentioned above it is down to taking on the old erin foods site..

It's not all Ray Whelan's doing. The law says that they have to pay by weight. It will be interesting to see if Ray Whelan's pricing is in line with other operators such as AES etc.

If they were making money at €22pm, I fail to see why the price is doubling..........................unless it is price gouging.

BattleCorp

Owryan wrote: »

I'd be as well off copying my neighbours and dumping my rubbish in the lane to the back of my house. Every month or so the council comes along and clears it all up.

Barrels will be scarce. People will be burning a lot of their rubbish.

mneylon

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I think a lot of people are going to have issues when they leave there bins out at night and someone throws there rubbish into it.

I've already had that issue
I've also had bins stolen more than once
I'll be looking into getting those locks that let them do the lift, but won't allow animals or humans in without the key (or I could just keep the bins out the back.. )

Agent Coulson

Blacknight wrote: »

I've already had that issue
I've also had bins stolen more than once
I'll be looking into getting those locks that let them do the lift, but won't allow animals or humans in without the key (or I could just keep the bins out the back.. )

I've looked at the pricing of those gravity locks anywhere from €50 up at the moment.

I think bin companies will have to start selling them at better prices if they want to keep customers.

tommycahir

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's not all Ray Whelan's doing. The law says that they have to pay by weight. It will be interesting to see if Ray Whelan's pricing is in line with other operators such as AES etc.

If they were making money at €22pm, I fail to see why the price is doubling..........................unless it is price gouging.

Yeah have no problem with switching to pay by weight and understand they are being forced by law to make the switch, it has even made me rethink how we manage some of our waste but the issue I have is the same as most on this thread and on their facebook page, we have no reason as to why it jumps from €23 per month to at least double that in most cases. :mad::mad:

Lawros Tache

BattleCorp wrote: »

€16 service charge per month.

€0.23 per kg.

Possible 70kg bin = 70 × .23 = €16.10

€16 + 16.10 = €32.10 possible per month.

That's an increase of about €110 more per year than I'm currently paying.

Is that price for Ray Whelan? or AES?
Is it confirmed?
Thanks

tommycahir

Lawros Tache wrote: »

Is that price for Ray Whelan? or AES?
Is it confirmed?
Thanks

Its for Ray Whelan and was confirmed on their facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/Ray-Whelan-Ltd-492300487603160/?fref=ts

****PAY BY WEIGHT PRICING****
Service fee for 1 waste bin - €14 per month
Service fee for 2 waste bins - €16 per month
Waste - 23 cent per KG
Compost (where available) - 16 cent per KG
Recycling - will not be charged
Due to the high volume of messages and comments it is impossible to reply to everyone on facebook. If you have any questions or queries please call our office on 0599147678 and choose option 1. Thank you

foggy_lad

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's not all Ray Whelan's doing. The law says that they have to pay by weight. It will be interesting to see if Ray Whelan's pricing is in line with other operators such as AES etc.

If they were making money at €22pm, I fail to see why the price is doubling..........................unless it is price gouging.

Collection of the household bin twice with a 70kg weight will cost about €48. It currently costs about €21.

The service charges should really be made a minimum charge and be set against your weight each month.

BattleCorp

Has anybody here filled a bin and had it weighed yet?

Some weeks my bin is hard enough to move so I'm guessing it could easily be 50kg +

Careful_now!

How much are AES and oxigen charging for the pay by weight? Is there a better deal out there?

racso1975

Careful_now! wrote: »

How much are AES and oxigen charging for the pay by weight? Is there a better deal out there?

Aes price in the thread if you read back over think it's 25c a kilo. Oxigen dont service carlow according to their site.

JaCrispy

Both Ray Whelans and AES are nearly exactly the same price. Ogilopolistic pricing at its finest......a.k.a price fixing.