The future of James Bond

Sal Butamol

What about a British Indian Bond, or a Pakistani Bond, or an Asian Bond?

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Always loved bond and it was a must see top spy film every time it came out but it's been out done by Bourne and mission impossible unfortunitly I don't see bond beating them by out doing them but just out lasting them and I'm not sure that's anuff to bring me back to it

astrofool

Sal Butamol wrote: »

What about a British Indian Bond, or a Pakistani Bond, or an Asian Bond?

*furrows brow*

Sal Butamol

In today's loony left world that is racism

loyatemu

SimonTemplar wrote: »

As I said before, I'd love a female 00 agent such as Gillian Anderson. It seems like a perfect opportunity to build a successful universe that so many studios crave now.

there were plans for a spinoff with Halle Berry's Jinx character from Die Another Day.

I watch DAD on TV the other night, it was worse than I remembered, which is saying something.

SimonTemplar

loyatemu wrote: »

there were plans for a spinoff with Halle Berry's Jinx character from Die Another Day.

I watch DAD on TV the other night, it was worse than I remembered, which is saying something.

Yes, I remember that but there is a big difference between someone like Gillian Anderson playing a cool British agent and whatever the hell Halle Barry was doing in DaD. It seemed like she accidentally wandered onto the set from a low rate Steven Segal direct to DVD film.

loyatemu

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Yes, I remember that but there is a big difference between someone like Gillian Anderson playing a cool British agent and whatever the hell Halle Barry was doing in DaD. It seemed like she accidentally wandered onto the set from a low rate Steven Segal direct to DVD film.

Gillian Anderson is as old as Daniel Craig; I think the ship may have sailed on her being Jane Bond.

eagle eye

She can be Jane Bond all she likes, this is about James Bond.
I'm all aboard the Idris Elba train, I think he would be brilliant.
A bit more left field, if he can do a good British accent, would be Oded Fehr who I think coukd pull it off.

pixelburp

Sal Butamol wrote: »

What about a British Indian Bond, or a Pakistani Bond, or an Asian Bond?

Maybe maybe not, the point merely remains that casting Bond could extend itself beyond Caucasian.

Idris Elba is probably the most famous jobbing non-white English actor at the moment - who happens to be a fairly handsome man too - so yeah, of course social media latched onto the idea. Park the "PC gone mad" outrage and it's actually a pretty conventional casting choice. Handsome man plays handsome character -stop the press, if folks want to wave a flag over representation, so what. It's no less crazy than casting Craig, who I'm sure while attractive to some, always looked like a boxer in a Tom Ford suit.

Agent Coulson

Edgar Wright reported to be on the short list.


So I'm guessing Simon Pegg as the new Bond then.

Insect Overlord

Nick Frost as Moneypenny, plz

pixelburp

The circle that needs squaring is surely the insane timescale; unless MGM put that November 2019 release back, you're unlikely to get anyone vaguely 'auteur' like Wright. He's also likely very cautious about another franchise after the Ant Man debacle. If the date can't move it'll only end up in the hands of an efficient hack

Drumpot

astrofool wrote: »

*furrows brow*

Ha, I watched that bond recently and he has a crazy rapey vibe. There’s a bit in the movie where he has just met the lady who is to pretend to be his wife. He’s trying to talk his way for a ride and she’s having none of it. When he lies down in the dark he literally stares over at where she is.... Also kind of funny she gets a bit jealous when bond says he was with a baddy female. Must be where Austin powers got a few ideas!!!

Sad Professor

According to Deadline, as long as a replacement is found in the next 2 months the film will still meet its release date.

David Mackenzie and Yann Demange are much more likely candidates that Edgar Wright. If Wright couldn't get along with Marvel he certainly won't get along with Eon.

loyatemu

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Edgar Wright reported to be on the short list.


So I'm guessing Simon Pegg as the new Bond then.

Joe Wright seems more likely than Edgar Wright.

Re Idris Elba, the other problem is that as well as being old (he'd be older debuting in the role than Moore was), he's too famous. The Broccolis like TV actors or minor character actors as they're cheap, at least for the riskier first couple of films.

Elba isn't quite A list like Tom Hardy but he is more famous than any of the previous Bonds were when they signed up.

On that basis Aidan Turner seems a decent bet.

eagle eye

Age isn't what it used to be, a 45 year old today looks as fresh as a 30 year old man did when Roger Moore became Bond.

Atlantic Dawn

They should return to Bond pre Craig era, that was Bond, what has happened since has been a pure deperado money grab for the Bourne Identity money audience.

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eagle eye wrote: »

Age isn't what it used to be, a 45 year old today looks as fresh as a 30 year old man did when Roger Moore became Bond.

Ya cruise is 56 and just did fallout

prinzeugen

Drumpot wrote: »

Ha, I watched that bond recently and he has a crazy rapey vibe. There’s a bit in the movie where he has just met the lady who is to pretend to be his wife. He’s trying to talk his way for a ride and she’s having none of it. When he lies down in the dark he literally stares over at where she is.... Also kind of funny she gets a bit jealous when bond says he was with a baddy female. Must be where Austin powers got a few ideas!!!

The whole early Bond films being "rapey" was brought up by some feminist group when a cinema tried to show a original reel they found. And the local council agreed and banned it. Even although it was on ITV4 two weeks earlier! Hope they never watch "On The Buses" !

This might come across as being racist, etc to some, but Bond must remain white and British.

A non white actor playing Bond is like a white actor playing the part of Nelson Mandela in a film. Yes Bond is fictional but Bond is Bond.

It won't survive otherwise. Bond would disappear like the MilkyBar kid if they changed who 007 is.

eagle eye

prinzeugen wrote:

A non white actor playing Bond is like a white actor playing the part of Nelson Mandela in a film. Yes Bond is fictional but Bond is Bond.

I don't agree. Bond is a British agent. There are many different races living in Britain so he can come from any of those races imo.

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What's the In cannon explanation for bond has it been stated it's just a code name passed on ? And if so is it each actor or do some share in sure the marriage from her majesty's secret service was mentioned in a dalton bond

prinzeugen

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't agree. Bond is a British agent. There are many different races living in Britain so he can come from any of those races imo.

Bond is based on real people of the SOE during WW2, the majority of whom were white and British. Thats where Fleming got the idea for 007.

Commander James Bond is white. Always has been and should remain so.

eagle eye

Your description is slightly off, you say he is based upon instead of originally based upon. The character has went through a lot of changes. He became more advanced and intelligent, he moved with the times, or a bit ahead, so absolutely no reason why he has to remain white.

Drumpot

prinzeugen wrote: »

The whole early Bond films being "rapey" was brought up by some feminist group when a cinema tried to show a original reel they found. And the local council agreed and banned it. Even although it was on ITV4 two weeks earlier! Hope they never watch "On The Buses" !

This might come across as being racist, etc to some, but Bond must remain white and British.

A non white actor playing Bond is like a white actor playing the part of Nelson Mandela in a film. Yes Bond is fictional but Bond is Bond.

It won't survive otherwise. Bond would disappear like the MilkyBar kid if they changed who 007 is.

For the record I’m a man and I’m not into any of that OTT Feminist stuff like in this instance. I don’t think banning or not playing these movies is reasonable for this.

But Staring at somebody you just met , while they are sleeping , after you have just stopped short of propositioning them is creepy.

Icaras

Here we go wrote: »

What's the In cannon explanation for bond has it been stated it's just a code name passed on ? And if so is it each actor or do some share in sure the marriage from her majesty's secret service was mentioned in a dalton bond

There is none. There was a codename theory which would have been cool but skyfall ruined all that.

Tony EH

eagle eye wrote: »

Age isn't what it used to be, a 45 year old today looks as fresh as a 30 year old man did when Roger Moore became Bond.

Maybe for one film. A stretch in a Bond series will take you 10 years or more. By which time you'd look a bit ridiculous.

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Icaras wrote: »

There is none. There was a codename theory which would have been cool but skyfall ruined all that.

Ok so if it's the same bond from dr no to spectre and he just has magic film ageing then how can they ever make him black or change gender or would magic film science take over again ?? My own opinion is to focus more on making a solid film and not just a change of packaging leaving the product still the same and if they want more female leads in films make a salt 2 which I'd really like to see to be fair i can't think of a black lead spy film so there's definitely a space in the market but an original concept would be better

bnt

According to the DM today, Barbara Broccoli, who basically controls the franchise now, is very close with Daniel Craig and takes cues from him. Craig had to be persuaded to come back in the first place, and dictated the terms under which he did. If he goes to Barbara with a problem, she'll take his side, so any director has to get past both of them.

The story is that Boyle has a very specific vision for how his Bond film would be, a darker story with less humour and action, and he wasn't willing to compromise on any of it, unlike Sam Mendes. But Barbara Broccoli picked Daniel Craig, and her instinct has been proven correct, mostly - he has made a great James Bond.

Tony EH

bnt wrote: »

The story is that Boyle has a very specific vision for how his Bond film would be, a darker story with less humour and action

This is where it needs to go. I agree with Boyle.

bnt wrote: »

But Barbara Broccoli picked Daniel Craig, and her instinct has been proven correct, mostly - he has made a great James Bond.

He has and, in fact, I consider him the best one. But, unfortunately, 'Spectre' was rubbish and a very bad end to the build up of his first three outings. This was, largely, because they went back to "old" Bond tropes, that just don't work nowadays and they didn't work in 'Spectre'.

pixelburp

I think it was worse than just going back to old tropes, they tried to split the difference between the Bournalike of Casino Royale and the "underground lair" era of Bond. Neither tone gelled with Craig flailing around in between, out of his depth with the jokier, broader strokes that echoed of late Brosnan. The series needs to pick an approach and just go for broke.