NARGC

Backbarrel

Got this from County Secretary :


The Chairman has asked me to clarify re next Saturday’s Meetings, as proposed, as there appears to be some confusion. So as to avoid any misunderstandings, here are the intended start times:

1. EGM No. 1 10.00 hrs
2. Quarterly Meeting 11.00 hrs
3. EGM No. 2 On conclusion of the General Meeting

Refreshments will be served from 9.45 a.m. onwards and a break for lunch will occur at approx 1pm.


I hope the lads that called EGM 1 no what they are doing!:eek:

cavan shooter

Backbarrel wrote:

The Chairman has asked me to clarify re next Saturday’s Meetings, as proposed, as there appears to be some confusion. So as to avoid any misunderstandings, here are the intended start times: 1. EGM No. 1 10.00 hrs 2. Quarterly Meeting 11.00 hrs 3. EGM No. 2 On conclusion of the General Meeting

That doesn't make sense. Have all the EGM together. What's the other EGMs'

cavan shooter

richiedel123 wrote:

Just heard a whisper of a meeting tonight in laois. Heard the 5 counties are thinking of pulling their e.g.m .anybody else hear anything

Just out from our Gun Club AGM. So wasn't looking at boards. That's an interesting development?

Backbarrel

cavan shooter wrote: »

That doesn't make sense. Have all the EGM together. What's the other EGMs'

The other EGMs are to elect a Treasurer and vice Chairman. Remember they were going to do that in June but [mod edit]the meeting was the subject of an injunction[/mod edit]...

Sparks

Mod note:
Folks, the situation still seems a little confused about whether there is a plenary hearing to come or not; but the ruling from Justice Murphy on the 29th does seem to give a little more leeway on discussions regardless.

To be clear though, it's not carte blanche; the rules surrounding defamation were not lifted by that ruling, she says clearly that what may be discussed is "[the NARGC's] options in respect of that litigation" where "that litigation" refers to "existing legal cases in which the organisation is a litigant". That's a little more circumscribed than "talk about whatever you want lads, nobody's allowed sue you no matter what you say" and if you were to defame someone while discussing such a case (at an NARGC GM or for that matter on boards or in the pub), while we're not solicitors, we don't think you'd be indemnified from a defamation lawsuit.

Short version: talk away, but please watch for any comments that might be considered grounds for defamation and don't make them

Thanks for the patience everyone, we know this has been at best awkward and at worst infuriating.

MrTom1

So why is there a EGM called for on sat @10am ??? To discuss why the NARGC is in court or is it coup to get rid of the chairman and secatary . It's very confusing indeed

cavan shooter

Depends on what side your on?

I even heard today that the planned General meeting can't go ahead and if it does The Charman will be sued. Now if that's not trying to have everything go exactly as you want it, what is and a blatant attempt to stop certain things being discussed.

richiedel123

cavan shooter wrote: »

Depends on what side your on

I think people having sides picked is a big problem. It should be about the good of the association not about who people are friends with. Hopefully all the details will be made known tomorrow and things will be clearer

wirehairmax

What happened this morning?

cavan shooter

wirehairmax wrote:

What happened this morning?

From what I here from the Cavan delegates it was over by lunch time. The guys that took the EGM where "savaged" and struggled with their agenda.

Then a vote of confidence in the Executive and Chairman was supported. After that the counties that where pushing the EGM with drew all there points.

EGM for election of Officers was taken. DAN Curley in Monaghan is Vice Chair and Paul Doran Wexford is Tresurer.

MrTom1

cavan shooter wrote: »

From what I here from the Cavan delegates it was over by lunch time. The guys that took the EGM where "savaged" and struggled with their agenda.

Then a vote of confidence in the Executive and Chairman was supported. After that the counties that where pushing the EGM with drew all there points.

EGM for election of Officers was taken. DAN Curley in Monaghan is Vice Chair and Paul Doran Wexford is Tresurer.

So does this mean their coup was all for nothing ? Loved to of been there to see

berettaman

I went there for a look see today. Very good meeting.
The 5 counties raised their concerns but did not really stick to their own agenda.

The Executive had a presention ready and a fair amount of eye opening stuff in that.

The disident counties got a mauling and rightly so in my view.

The standout performers on the floor were Cavan and Louth.

The new treasurer will have to hit the ground running. There is a lot of emphasis on finances and clarity at that..

All in all i think this Executive is doing a good job in difficult circumstances.

Good to see the support for the national Compensation Fund Administrator..

cavan shooter

berettaman wrote:

Good to see the support for the national Compensation Fund Administrator..

I only heard yesterday from one of our Executive members the stress and personal barrage he was getting.

wirehairmax

berettaman wrote: »

Good to see the support for the national Compensation Fund Administrator..

That's because he's an abseloute gentleman, pure and simple. If you're straight with him, he's straight with you, no messing about.

Backbarrel

wirehairmax wrote: »

That's because he's an abseloute gentleman, pure and simple. If you're straight with him, he's straight with you, no messing about.

Chris Gavican is a complete professional and a gentleman to his fingertips. I was there today and to see the mealy mouthed grudging apologies that he was offered for the sickening assault that he was under beggars belief. In my opinion certain people got off too lightly.

However it is obvious that the changing of the guard is underway in the Association and that the NARGC will come out better and stonger for it.

John the delegate from Louth spoke very well today and was the wise head at the back. Keith delegate from Cavan laid the straight facts out to the meeting and was a rock of sense.

The Chairman held his own in a difficult meeting and those that spoke from the Executive were strong.

The presentation was good but the content should not be overlooked. This is why we need change.

Congratulations to the two lads elected. Well done.

I will not discuss the disident 5 as the less said the better. Shameful conduct.

Vegeta

berettaman wrote: »

Good to see the support for the national Compensation Fund Administrator..

Have heard the same thing down this way. Great to hear and fair play to the man.

SureHowBad

Who were the 5 counties that brought the EGM?

grassroot1

The lessons for today were to have a little more faith in the executive, communication needs to be improved with all RGCS and our association has been blighted by legal issues for far too long this needs to change.

cavan shooter

SureHowBad wrote:

Who were the 5 counties that brought the EGM?

Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Offally.

Bad_alibi

Did the main man make an appearance

cavan shooter

grassroot1 wrote:

The lessons for today were to have a little more faith in the executive, communication needs to be improved with all RGCS and our association has been blighted by legal issues for far too long this needs to change.

Delgates need to be doing more than just attending meetings and RGCs need to expect more from there delegates.

cavan shooter

Bad_alibi wrote:

Did the main man make an appearance

Didn't hear..in fairness didn't ask. He's history as far as I can see

richiedel123

cavan shooter wrote: »

Delgates need to be doing more than just attending meetings and RGCs need to expect more from there delegates.

Have to agree with this. Was there myself and a person from laois spoke up and said he is a member in a laois club and they heard nothing about what was happening and they couldn't give their backing to laois unless he said it to his club and got their backing first. It took guts for him to go and say that. I can see backlash in laois for that

wirehairmax

What exactly was the basis of the 5 county's seeking an egm? What was their agenda? And how was it dealt with by the executive? There was a couple of them in a FB group during the past few weeks being very smart and playing politics but its radio silence since yesterday's meeting.

cavan shooter

"That would be an ecumenical matter...."
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MrTom1

Anyway to get the minutes or presention from the meetings that took place ?

cavan shooter

The County delegates will get them. They should come out with the notice for the next meeting.

Backbarrel

wirehairmax wrote: »

What exactly was the basis of the 5 county's seeking an egm? What was their agenda? And how was it dealt with by the executive? There was a couple of them in a FB group during the past few weeks being very smart and playing politics but its radio silence since yesterday's meeting.

One thing I noticed yesterday was how ill informed the 5 counties seem to be about why they were there.
The did not seem to grasp their own agenda which was written in legalese, to be honest I could not make head nor tail of it.
They did not know the contents of letters sent on their behalf.:eek:
I think there are good lads in those counties after being fed a pile of sh1t and led up thegardn path.

Backbarrel

richiedel123 wrote: »

Have to agree with this. Was there myself and a person from laois spoke up and said he is a member in a laois club and they heard nothing about what was happening and they couldn't give their backing to laois unless he said it to his club and got their backing first. It took guts for him to go and say that. I can see backlash in laois for that

I think he was treated outrageously by the Laois delegates. I think we will be hearing more about that. It took balls to stand up and speak at a meeting like that and for a first time speaker he was bang on the money. A lot of shooters in those 5 counties didn't know their delegates we calling EGMs!!

cavan shooter

Backbarrel wrote: »

I think he was treated outrageously by the Laois delegates. I think we will be hearing more about that. It took balls to stand up and speak at a meeting like that and for a first time speaker he was bang on the money. A lot of shooters in those 5 counties didn't know their delegates we calling EGMs!!

I heard about this in the pub last night......Is that the fella that was told by the Laois Fund Officer his Club hadn't sent in the fund returns and therefore shouldn't be at the meeting.....talk about county delegates alienating the people that vote them in....ouch