6 years living together, one child and he still won't divorce his wife!

CorkSinead

I'm at my wits end. My partner won't divorce his wife, citing that he'll 'lose his marriage tax allowance'. Before I moved in, he promised me that was one of the first things he'd do, divorce. He'd been separated 5 years then (now 11 years), they had a separation agreement then. So I went ahead and we had another child together. We both had previous children too.

I'm so sick of this. His wife lives around the corner. She's been quite bitchy to me and that has also affected how her kids are with me, despite having them every weekend and one full time.

It's DPs house. I am a stay at home mum and feel utterly vulnerable in this position. Any advice?

CorkSinead

P.s. I am not the other woman! His wife had a long term boyfriend before I even met my partner.

johnnyskeleton

Sorry to hear about it, and i can only give advice on one limited point:

What hes saying about married persons tax credits sounds suspicious. The married credits basically allow a couple to pool their credits, so only makes sense if she gives him her credits to use against his tax.

If shes got her own stuff going on, presumably she wants her own credits. Likewise, he shouldnt be claiming them if theyre not part of a bona fides marriage (morally, I mean).

If he divorced her and married you, as youre not employed at the moment he could get your credits.

Maybe send him to a financial adviser to see if its a simple misunderstanding of tax law that is the difficulty.

I suspect, however, there may be more to it and you might need to have a more involved conversation with him. Other people might give you better advice on that front though.

Neyite

You cant force him to divorce. Or even if he does eventually get a divorce, to marry you, if that's what you want. It sounds very much like he could not care less what you want.

He's broken that promise, and fobbed you off so maybe now its time to think about what you want. It looks like your choices are to either accept he will never divorce and stay with him, or leave. What is your gut telling you?

njs030

Claiming married tax credits when separated is basically fraud and he could get into lots of trouble!

Why do you want him to divorce her? Shes still going to be the same person and still cause the same problems. Is it because you want to marry him yourself? And if so does he know this?
That could be the root of it, while he's still married to her you can't put him under pressure for a proposal!

It sounds like you need to get to the root of why he is reluctant....and its not tax credits.

CorkSinead

Thanks for your replies. He only told me this was the reason yesterday.

You know, I never actually clocked, yes of course it's actually a big lie to be telling the Inland Revenue. What the hell is he doing?

This frightens me even more. He's just much more wobbly than I thought.

I've explained several times to him why I want him to divorce. Originally, we both agreed that we would want to marry each other, and that was the main reason.

However, I just want him to take that first step so that I don't feel like a second class girlfriend. I want to have a future where I don't have to worry about pensions being shared with his wife, I want to be able to at least be equal. In the eyes of the law she would still be his next of kin. All these things matter.

Not very hopeful tbh.

tcif

CorkSinead wrote: »

Originally, we both agreed that we would want to marry each other, and that was the main reason.

When you talk with him about divorcing her is a marriage for you two always hanging over that conversation as the logical next step? Do you think he could have gotten cold feet about getting remarried (even if he's fully committed to you) and feels he can avoid that situation by not getting divorced and therefore remaining unavailable in that sense?

I completely understand where you're coming from in wanting him to be divorced, to not be sharing your life and raising your child and planning your future with a man who's still technically someone else's husband. I hope you can get him to see that.

Neyite

CorkSinead wrote: »

Thanks for your replies. He only told me this was the reason yesterday.

You know, I never actually clocked, yes of course it's actually a big lie to be telling the Inland Revenue. What the hell is he doing?

This frightens me even more. He's just much more wobbly than I thought.

Here is Revenue's page on that. He could be landing him and her in some pretty hot water. Or, he could have just said it to you as an excuse to get you off his back about divorcing and in reality they've notified Revenue years ago. If its the former, he's an idiot. If its the latter, he's a dick. Neither sounds like a keeper tbh.

wrote:

I've explained several times to him why I want him to divorce. Originally, we both agreed that we would want to marry each other, and that was the main reason. However, I just want him to take that first step so that I don't feel like a second class girlfriend.

Could it be he's using the not-divorcing as a way of avoiding a marriage with you? As long as he is still married, he doesn't have to make good on his promise to marry you.

wrote:

I want to have a future where I don't have to worry about pensions being shared with his wife, I want to be able to at least be equal. In the eyes of the law she would still be his next of kin. All these things matter.

Not very hopeful tbh.

Considering you have a child with him, that's a very reasonable thing to want. He may not realise though that his ex still has NOK rights though. Do they get on? If there is a less than amicable relationship between them then telling him that might get him thinking.

Either way, I think that's becoming a sideline issue now for you, the scales are falling from your eyes a bit. It's not the right way you treat your partner and not respectful. Even if he started divorce proceedings tomorrow and planned a wedding for you, I think there is a possibility you'd always remember how long he fobbed you off and it might have the goodness taken out of it for you.

Maybe ask yourself what you want to do here. Decide which one you'd pick if your choices are between a) stay put as you are, him married to her, and you both never marry- that you write off that idea forever or;
b) leave and be single yourself and maybe down the line meet someone who does want to commit to you.

Addle

But he is still married, so can be jointly assessed with his ex if they both agree.

OP, I presume your income is greater than his ex's?
I can see where he's coming from.
It's not romantic, but extra rate band and credits are worth thousands a year.

tcif

Tax credits can be valuable but...

If the OP's partners wife is working full time she'll be using all the credits herself, so no value to him.

If she's part-time/unemployed she has credits he could gain financially from but I imagine at her cost because if they're still one entity in the eyes of the Revenue wouldn't that diminish her ability to claim social welfare or other benefits available to her as a single mother? (The OP mentioned they both had previous children).

Also the OP mentioned her partner said he a separation agreement with his wife when she met him. Can you legally declare yourselves separated in all other respects yet still tell the Revenue 11 years later you're still together for tax purposes?

I'm sure he has his reasons but I can't make any sense of tax credits being one of them.

CorkSinead

Thanks for all your replies.

I am totally confused about the tax credits and divorce, I read a bit last night and it said that they could choose even if separated, as long as it wasn't permanent. It is permanent! His wife is working but part time. He has an accountant who I presume he checks these things out with. It doesn't feel right to me.

Originally, divorce was part of then the next step being marriage. But I've told him clearly, and he me, that we need a lot of counseling and thinking through marriage. I've told him I'm not ready to marry him yet.

I will not stay with him as it stands. We could have made a great couple, have much in common, but he's just dragged his heels from the time I've moved in. We planned our baby, who has severe special needs, so I feel left high and dry. It's true if he asked me to marry him tomorrow there would still be that anger in me about having to be left dangling for so long.

CorkSinead

P.s. I have no income, I'm a stay at home mum as our child has severe special needs and I'm unable to work at present. He cannot go into childcare.

tcif

I'm really sorry it's come to this for you, OP. You have some rights legally (I don't know too much about them but this may be a place to start http://www.treoir.ie/target-co-habiting.php) and should look into these before packing a single bag.

Addle

CorkSinead wrote: »

P.s. I have no income, I'm a stay at home mum as our child has severe special needs and I'm unable to work at present. He cannot go into childcare.

Then he could divorce, marry you, and have your unused credits and rate band???

LegacyUser

CorkSinead wrote: »

P.s. I have no income, I'm a stay at home mum as our child has severe special needs and I'm unable to work at present. He cannot go into childcare.

Why aren't you in receipt of Children's Allowance and any personal SW allowances you seem like you might be entitled to?

CorkSinead

I think our relationship should be worth more than tax credits. He's going to pay for this later as he's just taken out a pension, which I presume is now half hers.

I dont think I have any cohabitation rights, as his wife would trump these.

tcif

CorkSinead wrote: »

I dont think I have any cohabitation rights, as his wife would trump these.

Don't be so sure about that:

"The Civil Partnership and Certain Rights and Obligations of Cohabitants Act 2010 came into effect on 1st January 2011. This Act introduced rights and obligations for qualified cohabitants under the Redress Scheme.

A qualified cohabitant is an adult who has been cohabiting for at least 5 years or 2 years if you have a child with your partner, and
are financially dependent on the other cohabitant.

Where one of the cohabitants is still married, neither of the cohabitants will be considered a qualified cohabitant unless the married cohabitant has lived apart from his/her spouse for at least 4 of the previous 5 years."

He meets that lived apart criteria. Plus you two are together more than 6 years and have a child, moreover one with special needs. He can't shrug that off and you need to make sure he shoulders his responsibilities fairly.

mrs vimes

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mrs vimes

Hi OP,

On the question of tax credits and being jointly taxed with his ex, if you read the link Neyite linked to you'll see that even if they are divorced then they can still elect to be treated as a married couple

A divorced couple also has the option of electing to be treated as a married couple for income tax purposes if:

maintenance payments by one to the other are legally enforceable,
they are both resident in the State, and,
neither spouse has re-married or entered a civil partnership.

On the pension question, divorces are not final. I've heard of cases where even after a spouse has remarried the previous spouse has been able to take further court action looking for what the lawyers call "a second bite of the cherry".

For your own sake you need to find a way to discuss your future with or without your partner and come to an agreement that you are happy with.

For me the biggest problem would be the Next of Kin issue.

LegacyUser

Maybe he has assets that he's trying to protect.
Do you know anything about the separation agreement? Why is she not looking for a divorce herself? Is he still contributing financially? She might be happy enough with whatever financial arrangements are in place so no need for her to rock the boat. I don't think he is disclosing everything to you. Keeping secrets in a relationship is not good especially when you have a child together and you are dependent on him financially. You seem to be in a vulnerable position.

Dial Hard

mrs vimes wrote: »

On the pension question, divorces are not final. I've heard of cases where even after a spouse has remarried the previous spouse has been able to take further court action looking for what the lawyers call "a second bite of the cherry".

This isn't true. Once assets (including pensions) are disposed of/adjusted as part of the divorce proceedings, that's it, there's no deciding a few years down the line that you could have done a bit better and taking a second run at them. The only financials that can be increased (or decreased) are maintenance and child support orders.

I signed away my rights to my husband's (very lucrative) army pension as part of our divorce proceedings. I can't decide in a few years time "Actually that was a really bad idea" and go looking to regain my entitlement to it.

mrs vimes

Hi Dial Hard,

if you do change your mind, you could get on to these solicitors, they seem to think otherwise. As does this article, although the source must of course be considered.

I'm not in any way suggesting you would succeed, just that it may be possible in certain circumstances.

As I said above though, the next of kin issue is probably the most serious in normal situations.

CorkSinead

guest_xyz wrote: »

Maybe he has assets that he's trying to protect.
Do you know anything about the separation agreement? Why is she not looking for a divorce herself? Is he still contributing financially? She might be happy enough with whatever financial arrangements are in place so no need for her to rock the boat. I don't think he is disclosing everything to you. Keeping secrets in a relationship is not good especially when you have a child together and you are dependent on him financially. You seem to be in a vulnerable position.

She did apparently ask for a divorce 2 years ago, but wasn't that fussed about whether it happened or not. He's still contributing financially, and bought her a house which is in her name. Which is one of the reasons he is stressed, he mortgaged up to the hilt to do that, and now has very little spare income.

CorkSinead

Dial Hard wrote: »

This isn't true. Once assets (including pensions) are disposed of/adjusted as part of the divorce proceedings, that's it, there's no deciding a few years down the line that you could have done a bit better and taking a second run at them. The only financials that can be increased (or decreased) are maintenance and child support orders.

I signed away my rights to my husband's (very lucrative) army pension as part of our divorce proceedings. I can't decide in a few years time "Actually that was a really bad idea" and go looking to regain my entitlement to it.

I did hope that we could have a clean slate financially. With his Ex able to claim his pension at any point would be a little more than I could bear. And she would, she's very entitled. She has a big house, all in her name, mortgage free, very generous maintenance and yet we had majority residential care of the girls up until last year.

Pawwed Rig

notjustsweet wrote: »

Claiming married tax credits when separated is basically fraud and he could get into lots of trouble!

No it isn't. It is perfectly legal in many cases.

CorkSinead

tcif wrote: »

Don't be so sure about that:
"Where one of the cohabitants is still married, neither of the cohabitants will be considered a qualified cohabitant unless the married cohabitant has lived apart from his/her spouse for at least 4 of the previous 5 years."

He meets that lived apart criteria. Plus you two are together more than 6 years and have a child, moreover one with special needs. He can't shrug that off and you need to make sure he shoulders his responsibilities fairly.

I had assumed that I had no rights, but this may give me some. However, he has no assets or equity in the house at present, it has just broken even after being in negative equity. He had remortgaged to buy his wife a house, in her name. It's a bit galling to feel that I contributed (financially) when I was working and now by looking after a child, and yet this is in no way my home. My partner keeps making it clear he is the one on the mortgage. For a man who likes to see himself as fair it has made me angry that he isn't treating me equally.

I feel like I am paying the price for being taken to the cleaners by his wife.

njs030

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

No it isn't. It is perfectly legal in many cases.

Is it legal when he's living with, and has a child with someone else? Doesn't a civil partnership start after 2 years when there's a child involved?
Im genuinely confused how he could claim tax credits with one woman while living with another.

Op, it sounds incredibly frustrating. Whatever his real reasons are it's not fair on you. Unfortunately if he's not willing to divorce her there isn't much you can do- that's the gamble you take when starting a relationship with someone who is still in a legal relationship with another woman.

You said money is an issue? Maybe he can't afford a divorce?

CaraMay

So are your kids living with ye? Is he funding two families so?

The Raptor

My parents have been separated since the late 90s. 16-17 years later, they still aren't divorced and they never will. I don't know who's refusing who but it'll never happen. They both had relationships during that time.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say but some people never get divorced.

Lavinia

CorkSinead wrote: »

I feel like I am paying the price for being taken to the cleaners by his wife.

It is never because of "his wife".
It is between the two of you, and more so, it is because of him and his stand.

Can his decisions be influenced by children from that marriage also?

Btw I am really sorry for situation you found yourself in. It must be very difficult...
I know it is so too late to say this but ya girls if he wants to divorce first let him do before you commit yourself to more...
In your original post you said you even had a child with him, has your decision to have a child been motivated also so to make your connection stronger? I mean have you not been sure in him before that so though it would make a difference? I am sorry really but it crossed my mind, please pardon me if that is not the case...

Roselm

CorkSinead wrote: »

It's a bit galling to feel that I contributed (financially) when I was working and now by looking after a child, and yet this is in no way my home. My partner keeps making it clear he is the one on the mortgage.

I'm almost certain if you are cohabiting (the 2 years/5 years thing) you are entitled to a share in the house or at least to argue it. Something like if you can show you contributed to mortgage /repairs...?

Pawwed Rig

notjustsweet wrote: »

Is it legal when he's living with, and has a child with someone else? Doesn't a civil partnership start after 2 years when there's a child involved?
Im genuinely confused how he could claim tax credits with one woman while living with another

Yes it can be once they jointly elect to do it. The salient point is that this can be also done by a divorced person so the boyfriend is either not aware or telling porkies.

I suspect you are mixing up a civil partnership with cohabitation rights.

daisybelle2008

CorkSinead wrote: »

Originally, divorce was part of then the next step being marriage. But I've told him clearly, and he me, that we need a lot of counseling and thinking through marriage. I've told him I'm not ready to marry him yet.

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If ye both agree ye need a lot of counselling, what state is the relationship? Or do ye think ye only need a lot of counselling if ye are going to get married? It seems like a strange condition for a couple that have been together so long (surely counselling is to help improve the existing relationship not prepare for a future post marriage relationship?). I mean there seems a lot of reservations about marriage on both sides, maybe staying married is his way of avoiding another break up. You both seem very unsure of each other, even in the present relationship.

I think the whole tax credit thing is a bum steer and nothing to do with the real issue. Communication seems poor and trust very low. It's a tough situation OP.

A_Sober_Paddy

How much would a divorse cost OP other half?

CorkSinead

The Raptor wrote: »

My parents have been separated since the late 90s. 16-17 years later, they still aren't divorced and they never will. I don't know who's refusing who but it'll never happen. They both had relationships during that time.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say but some people never get divorced.

I know, my aunt did has this, and tbh it is a way of her and her husband remaining each other's most significant person in their lives. They rally around the kids, just don't live together. Any relationships they have had took second place.

I made a mistake I think, I had a child with DP and genuinely thought we were starting afresh (albeit still having responsibilities to children which I fully accepted)

CorkSinead

Lavinia wrote: »

It is never because of "his wife".
It is between the two of you, and more so, it is because of him and his stand.

Can his decisions be influenced by children from that marriage also?

Btw I am really sorry for situation you found yourself in. It must be very difficult...
I know it is so too late to say this but ya girls if he wants to divorce first let him do before you commit yourself to more...
In your original post you said you even had a child with him, has your decision to have a child been motivated also so to make your connection stronger? I mean have you not been sure in him before that so though it would make a difference? I am sorry really but it crossed my mind, please pardon me if that is not the case...

I just think that part of the reason for not committing to me is that he got his fingers well and truly burnt the first time. And still is really, I think she is quite happy to still be in his life.

Our relationship started really well, very solid, planned baby, it did happen quicker than we thought but then cracks started to appear. A lot was stress from outside of us.

njs030

CorkSinead wrote: »

I just think that part of the reason for not committing to me is that he got his fingers well and truly burnt the first time. And still is really, I think she is quite happy to still be in his life.

Our relationship started really well, very solid, planned baby, it did happen quicker than we thought but then cracks started to appear. A lot was stress from outside of us.

Try to avoid going down the road of blaming her like this-"I think she is quite happy to still be in his life." He is the person you're in a relationship with and who isn't divorcing her.
Maybe she isn't bothered about getting divorced but that should stop him!


But is it possible he can't afford it?

CorkSinead

daisybelle2008 wrote: »

If ye both agree ye need a lot of counselling, what state is the relationship?

I asked for counseling three years ago, when everything came into a head. We started off very well, his past behavior with his family, his wife, his kids, were so responsible and generous. I really didn't think that side of things was going to be an issue. How wrong I was!

We really wanted to make a go of it and have a family. I was concerned he was overburdened already, and didn't want to be with him. He pursued me for many months and persuaded me to be serious. I moved me and my son in and we had a child.

His wife and his older kids all had big blow ups and crises which they depended on him a lot for, and that caused a lot of stress. He started to say to me that he felt all washed up and unable to commit again. Unfortunately that was when I was pregnant, so a bit late! I asked for counseling then. It's just taken me 3 years to get him there!

CorkSinead

notjustsweet wrote: »

Try to avoid going down the road of blaming her like this-"I think she is quite happy to still be in his life." He is the person you're in a relationship with and who isn't divorcing her.
Maybe she isn't bothered about getting divorced but that should stop him!


But is it possible he can't afford it?

Fair point about the wife. That is one reason why it makes me so uncomfortable that he is not divorced. There is not enough distance and too much room for interference. I want a clear run.

He hasn't got much money, but he spent thousands on his teeth two years ago, so priorities!

daisybelle2008

CorkSinead wrote: »

I just think that part of the reason for not committing to me is that he got his fingers well and truly burnt the first time. And still is really, I think she is quite happy to still be in his life.

Our relationship started really well, very solid, planned baby, it did happen quicker than we thought but then cracks started to appear. A lot was stress from outside of us.

If there are cracks in your relationship, him getting divorced is not going to fix them. If you need lots of counselling before getting married, maybe marriage isn't a good idea. I know ye started out strong but over time instead of getting stronger and dealing with the stresses of life has shown maybe ye are not compatible? Marriage would be a very poor band aid over the cracks. In fact I think it would blow open how fragile yer relationship truly is. It all sounds very stressful and I know with a special needs child it can't be easy. But financial security and emotional security are two different things....I think you are feeling very dependent on him for both and that is causing a lot of pressure on you both.

LegacyUser

CorkSinead wrote: »

I had assumed that I had no rights, but this may give me some. However, he has no assets or equity in the house at present, it has just broken even after being in negative equity. He had remortgaged to buy his wife a house, in her name. It's a bit galling to feel that I contributed (financially) when I was working and now by looking after a child, and yet this is in no way my home. My partner keeps making it clear he is the one on the mortgage. For a man who likes to see himself as fair it has made me angry that he isn't treating me equally.

I feel like I am paying the price for being taken to the cleaners by his wife.

OP this is often a common scenario in second relationships. A lot of the income of one partner is going towards maintenance for their ex and children. A new relationship can often rely heavily on the other partner's earnings which can lead to a lot resentment and tension where they feel they are effectively subsidising the ex and drawing the shorter straw and having to make sacrifices. It can be an unfortunate reality of second relationships. As you are not able to work outside the home at the moment because of your child's disability your partner is probably under a lot of strain as you admit yourself.
Would you qualify for domicilary care allowance for your child?

tara73

CorkSinead wrote: »

She did apparently ask for a divorce 2 years ago, but wasn't that fussed about whether it happened or not. He's still contributing financially, and bought her a house which is in her name. Which is one of the reasons he is stressed, he mortgaged up to the hilt to do that, and now has very little spare income.

this is what is standing out to me in all the other issues. why did he bought her a house and why the hell in her name??? did he do that when he was already with you? why would anybody buy a house in somebody elses name? are you sure it's not a joint mortgage in both names?

if not, somethings very fishy here in my opinion...

CorkSinead

tara73 wrote: »

this is what is standing out to me in all the other issues. why did he bought her a house and why the hell in her name??? did he do that when he was already with you? why would anybody buy a house in somebody elses name? are you sure it's not a joint mortgage in both names?

if not, somethings very fishy here in my opinion...

He bought her a house in her name, as part of their separation agreement. He wanted her to have complete security.

CaraMay

CorkSinead wrote: »

He bought her a house in her name, as part of their separation agreement. He wanted her to have complete security.

Op I'm sorry to ask but do you think he's still in love with her

CorkSinead

daisybelle2008 wrote: »

If there are cracks in your relationship, him getting divorced is not going to fix them. If you need lots of counselling before getting married, maybe marriage isn't a good idea. I know ye started out strong but over time instead of getting stronger and dealing with the stresses of life has shown maybe ye are not compatible? Marriage would be a very poor band aid over the cracks. In fact I think it would blow open how fragile yer relationship truly is. It all sounds very stressful and I know with a special needs child it can't be easy. But financial security and emotional security are two different things....I think you are feeling very dependent on him for both and that is causing a lot of pressure on you both.

I just don't like giving up if I can see that there are reasons and possible solutions that can be worked on. Divorce isn't a fix, but it would really help, just putting that phase of his life behind him and clearing the way for us. He is a huge procrastinator and ignores any issues. Often later, he has either agreed or seen enough of my point of view to resolve many things. But it takes so long that I am getting more and more, we'll probably frustrated and a bit bitter at this stage!

daisybelle2008

CorkSinead wrote: »

I was concerned he was overburdened already, and didn't want to be with him. He pursued me for many months and persuaded me to be serious.

He started to say to me that he felt all washed up and unable to commit again.

You were persuaded to be in a relationship with someone against your better judgement? Clearly your instincts were right. OP, with all the counselling, issues, fear of commitment etc. it just seems ye have been trying to desperately shoehorn a relationship together. It seems such hard work, trying to make it work!

Maybe let go of the marriage/divorce thing and give each other a little space and acceptance. Forcing commitment onto a broken relationship is a disaster. Leave the commitment requirements aside for the moment. It's putting more stress and pressure on both of you. Take whatever little steps you can towards being more emotionally and financially independent, if you can't do both at least do the former.

daisybelle2008

CorkSinead wrote: »

I just don't like giving up if I can see that there are reasons and possible solutions that can be worked on. Divorce isn't a fix, but it would really help, just putting that phase of his life behind him and clearing the way for us. He is a huge procrastinator and ignores any issues. Often later, he has either agreed or seen enough of my point of view to resolve many things. But it takes so long that I am getting more and more, we'll probably frustrated and a bit bitter at this stage!

A future happy relationship depends on him taken certain actions that he needs to be pressured into doing and seems to be getting less & inclined to do? How miserable and bitter are you going to let yourself get trying to persuade him?
Will a happy switch turn on if in a year or two he gives in? Or will you resent the time it took him anyway? Will the bitternes and frustration just disappear overnight or will it have poisoned the relationship beyond repair. I think ye'll both resent each other even more. Even with divorce papers his wife and kids aren't going any where. Are two pieces of paper 'divorce papers' and a 'marriage certificate' going to wipe the slate clean and yield a great relationship that isn't there between the two people today?

CorkSinead

daisybelle2008 wrote: »

You were persuaded to be in a relationship with someone against your better judgement? Clearly your instincts were right. OP, with all the counselling, issues, fear of commitment etc. it just seems ye have been trying to desperately shoehorn a relationship together. It seems such hard work, trying to make it work!

Maybe let go of the marriage/divorce thing and give each other a little space and acceptance. Forcing commitment onto a broken relationship is a disaster. Leave the commitment requirements aside for the moment. It's putting more stress and pressure on both of you. Take whatever little steps you can towards being more emotionally and financially independent, if you can't do both at least do the former.

Thanks. I guess I just feel I have waited long enough. Last year I finally kicked him out for a few months so we could both have some space apart. He ended up missing me a lot and wanting to remake a commitment. As soon as he moves back in he gets complacent.

CorkSinead

daisybelle2008 wrote: »

A future happy relationship depends on him taken certain actions that he needs to be pressured into doing and seems to be getting less & inclined to do? How miserable and bitter are you going to let yourself get trying to persuade him?
Will a happy switch turn on if in a year or two he gives in? Or will you resent the time it took him anyway? Will the bitternes and frustration just disappear overnight or will it have poisoned the relationship beyond repair. I think ye'll both resent each other even more. Even with divorce papers his wife and kids aren't going any where. Are two pieces of paper 'divorce papers' and a 'marriage certificate' going to wipe the slate clean and yield a great relationship that isn't there between the two people today?

I know, I can't wait anymore.

It's hard because there is a lot of good, lots of things have got better. There is enough to make a good relationship - BUT for his attitude towards it, which is his decision to make.

I know that divorce won't change everything, but I have a child from a previous relationship, I have an Ex. I get there is a past. The kids should be in the present. Not the Exes, by marriage.

njs030

CorkSinead wrote: »

Thanks. I guess I just feel I have waited long enough. Last year I finally kicked him out for a few months so we could both have some space apart. He ended up missing me a lot and wanting to remake a commitment. As soon as he moves back in he gets complacent.

Op what difference will it actually make if he gets a divorce? I don't mean the obvious ones like being free, next of kin, possibility of remarriage etc.

What difference will it make to your relationship? Sometimes we can focus on the wrong thing (and I've done it myself) and forget the more important parts.
He will still be the same person, a divorce cert won't change it.
I've asked a couple of times and you haven't answered but if he's struggling for money it could be he doesn't want to rock the boat and end up paying a fortune for a divorce, especially if the ex has the potential to be nasty.

jimd2

Tell him you wont have sex with him again until he finalises the divorce.