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It's The Queens Birthday Day.

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    #242
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    karma_ wrote: »
    Even if I spend my money on my expensive coffee under extreme duress, it's (still) hardly the fúcking point though.

    You still haven't answered why I should be forced to pay this dividend yearly to a millionaire, multiple castle & estate owner?

    She does not really own the castle any more than the Pope owns the Vatican. She is just passing through, a sort of custodian, a sort of caretaker. She cannot sell Buckingham Palace and other castles and gamble the money in ladbrookes.
    Here in Ireland we spend a lot more than 53 pence a year on our bunch.


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    #243
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But you are quite happy to willingly give it to corporate organisations every time you buy something, who then in turn pass a portion of that money over to wealthy (some wealthier than the queen) shareholders.

    Ridiculous comparison.

    The poster chooses to give money to wealth corporate organisations because they want the goods/services they provide.There is no choice over paying for an institution like the British monarchy.


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    #244
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    You live in a democracy, so you don't have to! You could write a letter of protest to your local MP, petition the government, go to the media, try to set up a political movement to gain a majority in parliament to abolish the monarchy. The power to change is within you! it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. Chinese proverb.

    Fair enough, good point, I concede I live in a democracy, when will you get to the part about why it is I should have to pay the dividend?


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    #245
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    maryishere wrote: »
    She does not really own the castle any more than the Pope owns the Vatican. She is just passing through, a sort of custodian, a sort of caretaker. She cannot sell Buckingham Palace and other castles and gamble the money in ladbrookes.
    Here in Ireland we spend a lot more than 53 pence a year on our bunch.

    Well that's bound to be the case seeing as Ireland has a small population, it's like economies of scale.


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    #246
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,625 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    karma_ wrote: »
    Penned by a socialist, how does that even help your point of view?

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
    karma_ wrote: »
    Fair enough, good point, I concede I live in a democracy, when will you get to the part about why it is I should have to pay the dividend?

    You don't, that's the point. Once the majority decides that it shouldn't be paid, it's gone. It's kind of the basic working principle of the thing.
    Of course in Ireland every side has also tried to achieve their goals through violent, non-democratic means, but in the end that may be counterproductive.


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    #247
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    karma_ wrote: »
    Fair enough, good point, I concede I live in a democracy, when will you get to the part about why it is I should have to pay the dividend?
    Why do you not move down here and pay our President and ex-presidents and family and hangers-on a lot more than the 53 pence a year you are complaining about? Or ask why do our bunch not pay for themselves in terms of attracting tourism revenue, when the royalty do?


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    #248
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    maryishere wrote: »
    Why do you not move down here and pay our President and ex-presidents and family and hangers-on a lot more than the 53 pence a year you are complaining about? Or ask why do our bunch not pay for themselves in terms of attracting tourism revenue, when the royalty do?

    Maybe because the poster was born in the north and doesn't feel they should have to move.You can complain about the place you're from without it meaning you should move away from it.


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    #249
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    If you're going to bring literature into an argument, you should understand it, otherwise it can make one look very stupid.


    You don't, that's the point. Once the majority decides that it shouldn't be paid, it's gone. It's kind of the basic working principle of the thing.
    Of course in Ireland every side has also tried to achieve their goals through violent, non-democratic means, but in the end that may be counterproductive.

    What point? We aren't arguing about democracy. You are trying to convince me why it is I should have no problem with handing over money to a wealthy person (even if it is only 53p a year).

    I'm a fairly reasonable guy, I can take a rational argument and can be convinced by it, but so far you've just told me to; read Orwell??, get out of my own home or employ democracy... so yeah, give me one good reason why I should feel fine about handing that cash over and I will pledge never to bring the matter up again as long as I breathe.


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    #250
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    Maybe because the poster was born in the north and doesn't feel they should have to move.You can complain about the place you're from without it meaning you should move away from it.
    How many billions a year net does the North get from the UK taxpayer and then someone in the north complains about how 53 pence a year (per person) is invested by the UK government?
    A lot more government expenditure than that could be questioned in every country.
    golfball37 wrote: »
    The amount of tourist dollar the UK sees because of HRH and her royal family more than makes up for the upkeep cost.

    Happy birthday your majesty.


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    #251
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    maryishere wrote: »
    How many billions a year net does the North get from the UK taxpayer and then someone in the north complains about how 53 pence a year (per person) is invested by the UK government?
    A lot more government expenditure than that could be questioned in every country.

    And that's an argument for subsiding the rich... how exactly?


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    #252
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    actually they are subsidising you.


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    #253
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,625 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    karma_ wrote: »
    If you're going to bring literature into an argument, you should understand it, otherwise it can make one look very stupid.

    alrighty.
    What point? We aren't arguing about democracy. You are trying to convince me why it is I should have no problem with handing over money to a wealthy person (even if it is only 53p a year).

    I'm a fairly reasonable guy, I can take a rational argument and can be convinced by it, but so far you've just told me to; read Orwell??, get out of my own home or employ democracy... so yeah, give me one good reason why I should feel fine about handing that cash over and I will pledge never to bring the matter up again as long as I breathe.

    I'm saying you can have a problem, you can complain, but if your point of view is not shared with the majority of people, I'm afraid you're sh*t out of luck. So no, you don't have to be fine about handing over the money. But you have to hand it over all the same. The democracy part is, you can complain as long and as loud as you want about it. As for fair and reasonable, Jesus I wouldn't want to see you if you really got screwed over...


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    #254
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    maryishere wrote: »
    actually they are subsidising you.

    Vapid response, as usual mary, as usual.


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    #255
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    the truth may hurt ;)

    Anyway, how a government spends or invests its money is democracy. As someone else said, your point of view is not shared with the majority of people, I'm afraid you're sh*t out of luck.


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    #256
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    alrighty.



    I'm saying you can have a problem, you can complain, but if your point of view is not shared with the majority of people, I'm afraid you're sh*t out of luck. So no, you don't have to be fine about handing over the money. But you have to hand it over all the same. The democracy part is, you can complain as long and as loud as you want about it. As for fair and reasonable, Jesus I wouldn't want to see you if you really got screwed over...

    And that's fair enough, all I'm asking.


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    #257
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    maryishere wrote: »
    the truth may hurt ;)

    Anyway, how a government spends or invests its money is democracy. As someone else said, your point of view is not shared with the majority of people, I'm afraid you're sh*t out of luck.

    Truth?

    Here's a spot of truth for you, I've seen you call others entitled on here, I've seen you argue that the likes of teachers get paid too much, yet here you are, using 'democracy' no less as an argument for bankrolling a royal family.

    Do you smell that mary? It's called hypocrisy.


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    #258
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    karma_ wrote: »
    In all seriousness... how the f**k is that ironic?

    Butthurt Irish republicans who bemoan the fact that there is an English Royal family yet more than happy to move to the UK to earn their bread. They resent historical interference of the UK in Irish matters but will voice their opposition to the royal family while living in said country. Its ironic.

    Having a Queen impacts on ones life 0% of the time. Its insecure hogwash.


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    #259
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    karma_ wrote: »
    Penned by a socialist, how does that even help your point of view?

    Orwell was also a fierce critic of Socialism and the nature of power.


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    #260
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    In addition to this the Royal family are financed by the Queen's own hereditary wealth. If she were to become a private citizen, Mrs. Windsor, her wealth would be her own and the government would have to finance an entirely new office of President. From wikipedia:

    Such staunch defence. Truly I had no idea that libertarian monarchists were a thing.


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    #261
    line console zero
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭line console zero


    The Republic of Ireland -

    2 government houses (An upper and lower), with 1 largley ceremonial leader. Local government is delegated to local authorities called councils. The legal system is built upon British common law.

    The United Kingdom -

    2 government houses (An upper and lower), with 1 largley ceremonial leader. Local government is delegated to local authorities called councils.The legal system is built upon British common law.


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    #262
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    maryishere wrote: »
    She does not really own the castle any more than the Pope owns the Vatican. She is just passing through, a sort of custodian, a sort of caretaker. She cannot sell Buckingham Palace and other castles and gamble the money in ladbrookes.
    Here in Ireland we spend a lot more than 53 pence a year on our bunch.

    Back in yet another thread lauding the Brits and slagging off the paddies jimmy mary?


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    #263
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The amount of WestBrits in this thread :eek:


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    #264
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    biko wrote: »
    The amount of WestBrits in this thread :eek:
    Well, what do you expect to see in a thread titled " It's The Queens Birthday"! Sydney Opera House perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plain..."


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    #265
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    As i'v stated i don't specifically hate the Queen, i hate the institution of monarchy, i'd feel the exact same if i wasn't Irish btw, Ironic people suggest to get into the 21st century we should embrace the Queen, The Monarchy is the most outdated institution going, If one thing needs to get into this century it's Britain and elsewhere which still believes a head of state should be born not chosen by the people.


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    #266
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The idea that the Royal family generate more then they cost is a myth, do people honestly think if there's no monarchy tourists still won't visit, the castles, Palace ect, There's Castles and stuff all over the world and guess what people still visit them regardless, how many people honestly visit Britain on holiday because an old lady still lives in a Palace?


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    #267
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Britain is not a democracy it's a shame of one, An unelected head of state, an election system which does not represent the people, despite the majority of people not voting Conservative they have complete power, Brtain like Ireland is also answerable to Europe and often to people who we don't elect.


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    #268
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Dick phelan wrote: »
    The idea that the Royal family generate more then they cost is a myth, do people honestly think if there's no monarchy tourists still won't visit, the castles, Palace ect, There's Castles and stuff all over the world and guess what people still visit them regardless, how many people honestly visit Britain on holiday because an old lady still lives in a Palace?
    A lot less would visit.

    Also as has been pointed out the Queen's cost is taken from the revenues generated by her own inherited property which are placed under government control.

    If the Queen were to be removed the new President would need to be paid for without these revenues.


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    #269
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    Dont mind the queen, it was my birthday last tuesday and not did i get one well wish of any of ye,I We are was not amused.


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    #270
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Happy Belated Birthday to The Flying Mouse!

    Happy now?? :)


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    #271
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, what do you expect to see in a thread titled " It's The Queens Birthday"! Sydney Opera House perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plain..."

    God, I love that episode.


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