Vegans

djflawless

Apart from the usual jokes such as 'how do you know if someones vegan' blah blah,
Why do they feel so much more enlightened than someone who likes to eat a good burger or half a chicken for dinner?
I get it, you dont want to follow the evolution of man thru dietary needs and wants.
Surely evolution would have made all prey some way unappetizing like arrow frogs with their colours/flavours if we were not meant to eat them??

rsh118

Ah, just leave them to it. They feel more high and mighty because they are thanks to lower greenhouse emissions and fewer killed animals than us.

It's like having a go at hipsters, they're harmless!

Jim Bob Scratcher

Didn't that McGregor guy lose to some vegan few weeks back ?

bodice ripper

We're not "meant" to do anything.

MadDog76

Their existence means more meat for you, so what you worried about .........

jimmycrackcorm

Vegans are the meat eaters equivalent of ISIS

FanadMan

Not this again! I love my meat, I hunt, I fish but I get really sick of these bloody threads. Vegans are different to me same as Protestants are different to me. We believe different things but I don't hate them for that - just the exact same as Vegans.

MadDog76

FanadMan wrote: »

Not this again! I love my meat, I hunt, I fish but I get really sick of these bloody threads. Vegans are different to me same as Protestants are different to me. We believe different things but I don't hate them for that - just the exact same as Vegans.

What's the connection .......... they both love oranges?

Adyx

I can honestly say no one has ever just come up to me and announced that they were vegan apart from two people: one was a woman I was serving in work so that's fair enough, it's the kind of thing I need to know and another was a girl I was seeing for a while and she wasn't condescending or acting all "enlightened" at all. In fact she regularly served meat and fish dishes to customers without issue. It was a completely personal thing for her. I don't think the whole "how do you know someone is a vegan?" thing is true at all.

darkpagandeath

I read somewhere it shorted the lifespan quite a bit. And I often wondered how they stay clear of pork products. Pork products are in everything. In a lot of medical treatments like pills and alike.

Cathy.C

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Didn't that McGregor guy lose to some vegan few weeks back ?

Yeah, Nate Diaz. He's certainly a good advert for it.

Was watching some press conference with him before the fight where he answered some questions about it. Can't find it now but he talks about it here post fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiZjhxagqt0

Alf Stewart.

I was sat down in a pub beer garden one fine sunny afternoon, enjoying a beer and a nice lump of steak, with chips, and all the trimmings. Was minding me own business, taking in the sights and sounds, enjoying me beer and me burger. Bothering no one. Minding me own business.

Next thing I know, this big lard ass, eco warrior plonks her self down on the table next to mine with her dreaded, crusty looking (presumably) boyfriend. The two of em with massive plates of fresh green salad.

The two of em start giving me evils and a look of disgust across from their table, and I'm at a loss as to what the fcuk I've done wrong, or to offend them.....

Next thing I cop it, the female of the species is wearing a t-shirt that proudly exclaimed she was a vegan.

She watched me cut into a nice juicy piece of steak, raise it to me mouth, and just before I bit into it asked me if I knew how that animal I was chewing on died?

I just looked at her and her equally overweight soap dodging mate tuckin into their fresh mountains of salad and said yeah you probably starved it to death you fat bastard.

Kev W

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I was sat down in a pub beer garden one fine sunny afternoon, enjoying a beer and a nice lump of steak, with chips, and all the trimmings. Was minding me own business, taking in the sights and sounds, enjoying me beer and me burger. Bothering no one. Minding me own business.

Next thing I know, this big lard ass, eco warrior plonks her self down on the table next to mine with her dreaded, crusty looking (presumably) boyfriend. The two of em with massive plates of fresh green salad.

The two of em start giving me evils and a look of disgust across from their table, and I'm at a loss as to what the fcuk I've done wrong, or to offend them.....

Next thing I cop it, the female of the species is wearing a t-shirt that proudly exclaimed she was a vegan.

She watched me cut into a nice juicy piece of steak, raise it to me mouth, and just before I bit into it asked me if I knew how that animal I was chewing on died?

I just looked at her and her equally overweight soap dodging mate tuckin into their fresh mountains of salad and said yeah you probably starved it to death you fat bastard.

Did they respond along the lines of "hang on, that doesn't make sense"?

Because that was my first thought.

gozunda

Being vegan is "hip" and trendy atm. It has also been likened to religon

Veganism and religion

just as most of us consider it wrong for anyone to molest a child or to throw rocks at a puppy, vegans consider it wrong for anyone to consume cheese derived from a cow’s breast milk or to consume a slaughtered chicken’s flesh. Stated differently, vegans, like members of religious faiths more generally, are moral realists. We believe that some actions—such as participating in violence against defenseless human and nonhuman animals—are wrong. That is one of the reasons that many ethical vegans serve our houseguests only vegan food in our homes, regardless of what the guests might ordinarily select when eating by themselves...

[URL]Https://verdict.justia.com/2013/03/06/is-veganism-a-religion-under-anti-discrimination-law[/url]

And perhaps not a voluntary one either ...

On enforcing veganism in the future ...

"Meat is Murder” is a good song, and has long been used as a campaigning slogan – whether it would be translated verbatim into “vegan law” is another matter. Vegans would equally claim dairy and eggs involve murder too, of course. “Cheese is Murder” seems less catchy to be sure!

I would hope that the force of argument will win the day with most people but you are right to imply that the force of law will have to be employed to control the behaviour of those who insist on their “right” to kill other animals.

This is sure to be a goldmine for lawyers since vegan agriculture itself will probably never be without elements of animal harm. There is a deep irony in the sense that many will regard the law as a form of violence, meaning that a form of violence will be employed to stop or reduce violence.

http://www.villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2014/02/non-violence-demands-veganism-interview-with-dr-roger-yates-co-founder-and-press-officer-of-vegan-ireland-and-a-lecturer-in-the-department-of-sociology-in-ucd/

Cathy.C

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I was sat down in a pub beer garden one fine sunny afternoon, enjoying a beer and a nice lump of steak, with chips, and all the trimmings. Was minding me own business, taking in the sights and sounds, enjoying me beer and me burger. Bothering no one. Minding me own business.

Next thing I know, this big lard ass, eco warrior plonks her self down on the table next to mine with her dreaded, crusty looking (presumably) boyfriend. The two of em with massive plates of fresh green salad.

The two of em start giving me evils and a look of disgust across from their table, and I'm at a loss as to what the fcuk I've done wrong, or to offend them.....

Next thing I cop it, the female of the species is wearing a t-shirt that proudly exclaimed she was a vegan.

She watched me cut into a nice juicy piece of steak, raise it to me mouth, and just before I bit into it asked me if I knew how that animal I was chewing on died?

I just looked at her and her equally overweight soap dodging mate tuckin into their fresh mountains of salad and said yeah you probably starved it to death you fat bastard.

That's what the cow was thinking before someone came and took her on a drive to the slaughter house I'd imagine.

2011

I love my meat, bread and dairy.
In fact I have enjoyed them far too much.

I did the a 4 week Happy Heart Course. This included lectures, advice and cookery lessons.
At the start of the course they measured my cholesterol, it was 6.53.
Then the weighed me, I was too heavy

At the end of the course my cholesterol was 4.89 and I had lost 7kg (but still too heavy).

During the 4 weeks I could eat as much as I wanted, but it was a "plant based" diet. But no meat, no dairy and only some breads.

That was 2 months ago. I have been on that diet since. I sleep better, my skin is clearer, I had more energy and I feel better.

kneemos

Cathy.C wrote: »

That's what the cow was thinking before someone came and took her on a drive to the slaughter house I'd imagine.

Don't think animals have a concept of death.

gramar

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Didn't that McGregor guy lose to some vegan few weeks back ?

He might be a vegan but he got his pound of flesh off McGregor.

gozunda

2011 wrote: »

I love my meat, bread and dairy.
In fact I have enjoyed them far too much.

I did the a 4 week Happy Heart Course. This included lectures, advice and cookery lessons.
At the start of the course they measured my cholesterol, it was 6.53.
Then the weighed me, I was too heavy

At the end of the course my cholesterol was 4.89 and I had lost 7kg (but still too heavy).

During the 4 weeks I could eat as much as I wanted, but it was a "plant based" diet. But no meat, no dairy and only some breads.

That was 2 months ago. I have been on that diet since. I sleep better, my skin is clearer, I had more energy and I feel better.

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From the website etc

Our Happy Heart classroom course costs €199.

ganmo

gozunda wrote: »

A commercial venture run by Twin chefs David and Stephen Flynn

From the website etc

who happen to run a vegan shop

stoneill

Just because you are not vegan it doesn't mean you have to eat only meat all the time.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

kneemos wrote: »

Don't think animals have a concept of death.

That's nonsense.
Cows get very agitated when they're being moved around. They're scared of new places, noisey places and people they don't know. I haven't ate beef in about 15 years, probably longer, because I grew up on a farm and I know cows are much more intelligent and aware than they're given credit for

gozunda

LexieOnRale wrote: »

That's nonsense.
Cows get very agitated when they're being moved around. They're scared of new places, noisey places and people they don't know. I haven't ate beef in about 15 years, probably longer, because I grew up on a farm and I know cows are much more intelligent and aware than they're given credit for

I believe he meant that cows don't actually conceptualise "death". They don't 'think' about it or worry about in the abstract.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

You don't know that though.
If a stranger walks into a shed, and tries catch/pet a cow, the cow will be nervous and scared, and will run away.
Why would anything be scared and try run away? Because they have immediate fear. They're capable of plenty of emotions. Jealousy, and love and fear.

Shenshen

Another one?

How many "I wish vegans would just leave me alone" threads have we had in the last couple of weeks now? 4?

I can't help thinking there must some SERIOUSLY active vegans out there to manage to put that many people under enough pressure, even making them go and complain on the internet. After all, only about 4% of the population here are vegetarian, there aren't even any numbers on how many of them are fully vegan.

Poor Uncle Tom

LexieOnRale wrote: »

You don't know that though.
If a stranger walks into a shed, and tries catch/pet a cow, the cow will be nervous and scared, and will run away.
Why would anything be scared and try run away? Because they have immediate fear. They're capable of plenty of emotions. Jealousy, and love and fear.

An animal showing a fear of a strange situation or an unknown other animal is natural and anyone who has ever spent any time with any animals know they can and do experience a whole raft of feelings. However, that isn't the same as saying an animal is capable of contemplating its own death.

gramar

kneemos wrote: »

Don't think animals have a concept of death.

Maybe not a concept of death but they sense death and cows and pigs are 'aware' of what's going on when they are carted off to slaughterhouses and are frightened out of their ****e.

gozunda

LexieOnRale wrote: »

You don't know that though.
If a stranger walks into a shed, and tries catch/pet a cow, the cow will be nervous and scared, and will run away.
Why would anything be scared and try run away? Because they have immediate fear. They're capable of plenty of emotions. Jealousy, and love and fear.

I'm not talking chasing and catching a cow in the shed. I'm referring to our cow Bessie in the field or even going to the mart.

'Bessie' is not pondering the meaning of existence, existentialism and the finality of death.

That is a separate matter to being fearful of strange people or circumstances.

Alf Stewart.

Kev W wrote: »

Did they respond along the lines of "hang on, that doesn't make sense"?

Because that was my first thought.

Some one was clearly at the top of the herbivore food chain mate.

Cathy.C wrote: »

That's what the cow was thinking before someone came and took her on a drive to the slaughter house I'd imagine.

Don't look at me. I only eat them. Some other bloke can worry about their rearing, trading and slaughtering.

gozunda

Shenshen wrote: »

Another one?

How many "I wish vegans would just leave me alone" threads have we had in the last couple of weeks now? 4?

I can't help thinking there must some SERIOUSLY active vegans out there to manage to put that many people under enough pressure, even making them go and complain on the internet. After all, only about 4% of the population here are vegetarian, there aren't even any numbers on how many of them are fully vegan.

Check it out - but lumping vegans and vegetarians together could get you in trouble. The poor vegetarians are getting a rough ride recently. 'Veganism' is very very trendy. I wonder how many threads are put up by actual vegans tbh.

Badly Drunk Boy

MadDog76 wrote: »

What's the connection .......... they both love oranges?

Exactly! King James II obviously lost at the Battle of the Boyne because of a Vitamin C deficiency. :pac:

Kev W

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Some one was clearly at the top of the herbivore food chain mate.

No, I understand what you were implying, it just doesn't make sense. Anyway it seems you were being fairly judgemental yourself, just going by your story, so you're not on the strongest footing to call others out on the same.

uvox

djflawless wrote: »

Apart from the usual jokes such as 'how do you know if someones vegan' blah blah,

Surely evolution would have taught people killing other people was also not necessary. But ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

On subject of how you know someone's vegan? Same as how you know if someone works for Google in Dublin or has read James Joyce's Ulysses: They tell you without asking.

Irish vegans are for real.
Irish vegetarians are people who only eat animals that eat grass. The new à la carte Rice Crispie.

gozunda

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Some one was clearly at the top of the herbivore food chain mate.



Don't look at me. I only eat them. Some other bloke can worry about their rearing, trading and slaughtering.

Alf - you just admitted to enjoying "a nice lump of steak" on a thread about veganism. You are now enemy no. 1.

Im afraid some people deliberately wont get the humorous bit about the cow and your one being in competition for food no matter what.

Anyway the one who made the remark to you in the pub was a right ignorant wagon.

Alf Stewart.

Kev W wrote: »

No, I understand what you were implying, it just doesn't make sense. Anyway it seems you were being fairly judgemental yourself, just going by your story, so you're not on the strongest footing to call others out on the same.

That's two of us not making sense.

Dont think you understand the concept of minding ones own business, and bothering no one.

Shenshen

gozunda wrote: »

Check it out - but lumping vegans and vegetarians together could get you in trouble. The poor vegetarians are getting a rough ride recently. 'Veganism' is very very trendy. I wonder how many of threads are put up by actual vegans tbh.

Got the figures from the vegetarian society of Ireland.

And I think these threads are just an indication the people can't enjoy being in a majority unless they get to make themselves feel persecuted by an evil minority somewhere.

gozunda

Shenshen wrote: »

Got the figures from the vegetarian society of Ireland.
And I think these threads are just an indication the people can't enjoy being in a majority unless they get to make themselves feel persecuted by an evil minority somewhere.

But the threads nothing to do with 'vegetarism". And I'm not promoting 'veganism' either but any moral minority can be an equal pain in the ase

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

gozunda wrote: »

I'm not talking chasing and catching a cow in the shed. I'm referring to our cow Bessie in the field or even going to the mart.

'Bessie' is not pondering the meaning of existence, existentialism and the finality of death.

That is a separate matter to being fearful of strange people or circumstances.

Why fear though? Because they're afraid of someone new? Why? They don't know that person, they might be scared the new person will hurt them, or the new environment isn't safe (the ring in a Mart for an example)
So they might not lay in a field thinking about the day they'll be murdered, but rest assured, they're not calm and relaxed in the final hours and moments of their lives. They're frightened. Dress it up whatever way you like.

Shenshen

gozunda wrote: »

But the threads nothing to do with 'vegetarism". And I'm not promoting 'veganism' either but any moral minority can be an equal pain in the ase

There are no numbers on how many people in Ireland are vegan. Around 4% are vegetarian, vegans would form a small sub-set of that.

I'm sure they can be a pain, but I have to admit that if they really are that omnipresent and permanently annoying and preachy, I admire their energy. We're talking about significantly less than 4% of the entire population, yet they seem to be able to agravate people enough to start a thread a week about them just on this forum.
That's some serious effort they must be putting in to being preachy and annoying.

gozunda

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Why fear though? Because they're afraid of someone new? Why? They don't know that person, they might be scared the new person will hurt them, or the new environment isn't safe (the ring in a Mart for an example)
So they might not lay in a field thinking about the day they'll be murdered, but rest assured, they're not calm and relaxed in the final hours and moments of their lives. They're frightened. Dress it up whatever way you like.

I think we agreed on the fear bit. Strange people, strange surroundings and yes Bessie the cow may experience fear.

But the point remains that Bessie does not 'conceptualise' about death in the abstract and definitly doesn't develop anxiety thinking about been 'murdered' at some future date either :rolleyes:

Bacchus

Yay! Another "lets talk about vegans" thread. That can only mean one thing, there's a "lets talk about people on the dole" thread just around the corner!

gozunda

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm sure they can, but I have to admit that if they really are that omnipresent and permanently annoying and preachy, I admire their energy. We're talking about significantly less than 4% of the entire population, yet they seem to be able to agravate people enough to start a thread a week about them just on this forum.
That's some serious effort they must be putting in to being preachy and annoying.

Are we talking vegetarians or vegans here? The problem is we don't really know 'who' is or are starting these threads. You can also have a snowball effect where an issue becomes momentarily popular due to people talking about it. Discussion should never be preachy and annoying if it is then it's not discussion.

Kev W

All I know for sure is I hear/read vastly more whinging about vegans than from vegans.

darkpagandeath

Bacchus wrote: »

Yay! Another "lets talk about vegans" thread. That can only mean one thing, there's a "lets talk about people on the dole" thread just around the corner!

A diet is a choice though.

kneemos

Kev W wrote: »

All I know for sure is I hear/read vastly more whinging about vegans than from vegans.

How about them carnivores eh.

gozunda

Kev W wrote: »

All I know for sure is I hear/read vastly more whinging about vegans than from vegans.

I would disagree. Like Alfs account of his meal some are all too ready to whinge about what others do is wrong according to their belief system. On Boards I noticed that both the op and others have had vegans make negative remarks about meat eating on threads relating to meat. So no its not unusual.

The Soup King

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I was sat down in a pub beer garden one fine sunny afternoon, enjoying a beer and a nice lump of steak, with chips, and all the trimmings. Was minding me own business, taking in the sights and sounds, enjoying me beer and me burger. Bothering no one. Minding me own business.

Next thing I know, this big lard ass, eco warrior plonks her self down on the table next to mine with her dreaded, crusty looking (presumably) boyfriend. The two of em with massive plates of fresh green salad.

The two of em start giving me evils and a look of disgust across from their table, and I'm at a loss as to what the fcuk I've done wrong, or to offend them.....

Next thing I cop it, the female of the species is wearing a t-shirt that proudly exclaimed she was a vegan.

She watched me cut into a nice juicy piece of steak, raise it to me mouth, and just before I bit into it asked me if I knew how that animal I was chewing on died?

I just looked at her and her equally overweight soap dodging mate tuckin into their fresh mountains of salad and said yeah you probably starved it to death you fat bastard.

I'm vegan myself and I would never talk to somebody this way. I'm always happy tto chat about it with an interested person but when people do things like this its just rude and counterproductive.

JustShon

I find vegans on social media and vegans in person to be vastly different.

Found out a friend of mine is vegan recently because I followed her on instagram. All of the conversations we'd had in person and it never came up, we'd never had a meal together so I'd no chance to notice it. Only found out because her instagram is full of #vegan #veganpower etc etc.

I find that goes for a lot of personality traits / hobbies / interests / ideologies though. Religious people on my Facebook are always posting prayers but when I meet them in real life they barely stop what they're doing for the Angelus.

I only once had a vegetarian (not even a vegan) preach at me about eating meat in real life (well it was more some lunatic in my primary school class trying to throw away my ham sandwiches)

GLaDOS

People who bitch and moan about vegans/vegetarians are far more annoying.

The vast majority of veggies in my experience have no desire to proselytize and just want to enjoy their falafel.

RhubarbCrumble

There's a girl who goes to the same gym as me who's a vegan. She.is.HEAD.WRECKING!!! If she wants to be a vegan that's absolutely fine by me, but she needs to keep her opinion to herself and stop lecturing everyone else about how 'meat is murder' etc. She was at it again during the week and all I could think of was Frankie Boyle when he said "Yes, there IS a vegan option. You can **** off!!" I was very tempted . . . . .

kneemos

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Why fear though? Because they're afraid of someone new? Why? They don't know that person, they might be scared the new person will hurt them, or the new environment isn't safe (the ring in a Mart for an example)
So they might not lay in a field thinking about the day they'll be murdered, but rest assured, they're not calm and relaxed in the final hours and moments of their lives. They're frightened. Dress it up whatever way you like.

They're well looked after for however many years they have. They're a product at the end of the day.

Don't know about cows but I have seen sheep being slaughtered,they appear oblivious except for a minute or two when the guy ahead gets their throat cut .They appear agitated at that stage but can't say what they feel or if it's just a flight instinct.