Terminator: Dark Fate **Spoilers from post 983**

py2006

..Yes it looks like it happening.

“I am looking forward to it, absolutely,” said Arnold Schwarzenegger when asked by Australia’s Channel Nine Weekend Today host Richard Wilkins about a future Terminator movie.

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Duggy747

I was entertained by the 1st half of the last film despite the non-existent chemistry, very dodgy acting (Arnie gets a pass because it's Arnie :pac:) and awful delivery of the old-school quotes, but it was reduced to muck by the end.

Wasn't Die Hard 5 awful, at least...............now THAT'S how you kill a legacy.

DrumSteve

Duggy747 wrote: »

I was entertained by the 1st half of the last film despite the non-existent chemistry, very dodgy acting (Arnie gets a pass because it's Arnie :pac:) and awful delivery of the old-school quotes, but it was reduced to muck by the end.

Wasn't Die Hard 5 awful, at least...............now THAT'S how you kill a legacy.

Die Hard 5 was legitimately one of the worst films I've ever seen.

Tefral

Hopefully now that they see R rated movies can make a killing at the box office (deadpool) they will revert it back to being an 18's

ancapailldorcha

cronin_j wrote: »

Hopefully now that they see R rated movies can make a killing at the box office (Dropbox) they will revert it back to being an 18's

Not much point if the plot, the acting, the set pieces and action are still utter crap though.

Tefral

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Not much point if the plot, the acting, the set pieces and action are still utter crap though.

True, but the acting was ****e in 1 and 2 aswell, the only thing that made it good was the fact that the terminator seemed like something to be genuinely afraid of. You cant portray nightmarish stuff like that really unless its an adult movie.

Alcoheda

cronin_j wrote: »

True, but the acting was ****e in 1 and 2 aswell, the only thing that made it good was the fact that the terminator seemed like something to be genuinely afraid of. You cant portray nightmarish stuff like that really unless its an adult movie.

You watch your filthy mouth!!!

1 & 2 are the epitome of 80's/90's era action and they're the only two decades worth a damn.

The rest are just gratuitous examples of scandalous necrophilia.

Tefral

Alcoheda wrote: »

You watch your filthy mouth!!!

1 & 2 are the epitome of 80's/90's era action and they're the only two decades worth a damn.

The rest are just gratuitous examples of scandalous necrophilia.

Ha ha. Genuinely Terminator 2 is in my top three favorite films!

Alcoheda

cronin_j wrote: »

Ha ha. Genuinely Terminator 2 is in my top three favorite films!

It's so frickin good!!! My favorite action movie by a country mile. It's just got so much going on from start to finish.
Still blows me away.

admittedly... the acting is pretty sh1t

py2006

Alcoheda wrote: »

admittedly... the acting is pretty sh1t

It is?

ancapailldorcha

cronin_j wrote: »

True, but the acting was ****e in 1 and 2 aswell, the only thing that made it good was the fact that the terminator seemed like something to be genuinely afraid of. You cant portray nightmarish stuff like that really unless its an adult movie.

No.

Slydice

I want this film to be good.

I have many thoughts and points racing around my head but really.. cos Terminator 2 was such a cool film when I was young.. it boils down to: I want this film to be good.

check_six

Alcoheda wrote: »

admittedly... the acting is pretty sh1t

py2006 wrote: »

It is?

It's not. Edward Furlong's John Connor is an annoying whiney brat, but I think he's supposed to be exactly like that. The rest of the cast are all spot on. Linda Hamilton turning from a frightened victim in The Terminator into the single-minded killing machine of T2 is particularly impressive given how many times we've seen other attempts at a similar tough female character in the last 25 years fall well short of this mark. Up there with Sigourney Weaver's Ripley as an iconic heroine, I reckon.
Schwarzenegger's screen presence and charisma is huge, even when he is just staring dispassionately and delivering a monotone line. It takes talent to be able to pull that off.
Robert Patrick's sleek shapechanging assassin droid is genuinely unnerving and dangerous, can't fault his performance at all.

I think we got a good look at exactly what dodgy acting could be like in the subsequent sequels. Terminator 2 definitely did not have this problem.

ancapailldorcha

check_six wrote: »

I think we got a good look at exactly what dodgy acting could be like in the subsequent sequels. Terminator 2 definitely did not have this problem.

I actually liked Nick Stahl as John Connor in T3; reluctant and unwilling to accept his destiny which made sense. I thought the casting for Genisys was aimed at attracting GoT fans and Jai Courteney couldn't have been more generic. I hope they at least leave out the crappy humour this time around. I just watched London Has Fallen and that's a miles better film simply for getting the f**king tone right which really shouldn't be too much to ask for.

Padraig Mor

Alcoheda wrote: »

It's so frickin good!!! My favorite action movie by a country mile. It's just got so much going on from start to finish.
Still blows me away.

admittedly... the acting is pretty sh1t

T2 is a great film (best sequel ever made?) and one I saw in the cinema several times on its release. However, the intervening years have seen me appreciate the first film more than it - where T2 is flabby at times, the original is a masterclass in lean, mean filmmaking. Plus, 80s hairdos! To see all that promise reduced to the pathetic mess that was Genisys is aggravating; I don't hold out much hope for T6 being a 'return to form'.

Tony EH

I can only watch the first one. The rest are moronic.

Seriously, just let it die. :rolleyes:

OAP robots...fkn 'ell.

CatFromHue

I'm not sure where they can go with this as Genisy messed everything up so badly.

If it is a sequel to Genisy I'm out, that was one of the few films were I wanted everyone to lose.

Maybe Arnies words have been taken out of context?

Even though I'm a huge Arnie fan, there has to be a time when he will say "I won't be back"

py2006

Tony EH wrote: »

I can only watch the first one. The rest are moronic.

You....can't....watch.....T.....2.....?!?

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

seamus

Genisys was actually watchable and basically set up a T6 movie. It'll very much be a "more machines, more fighting" thing. Will they even bring time travel into it?

After T3, didn't someone basically advise Arnie that the franchise had already been molested and he may as well milk it for everything he can get?

One thing that the later films have annoyed me about is that T1 and T2 were still sci-fi as well as action, and while they didn't go mad on the backstories, the science they did involved was described just enough to make it believable.

The rest basically started making up whatever nonsense they wanted that would help the story along, regardless of whether it was remotely believable. A terminator with a special gun-hand that can somehow get through the time-travel device. A human-machine hybrid from 30 years ago. Primitive (by T2 standards) polymimetic alloy that can magically transform a T500 into a T1000, just so that we don't have to see him die.

Tony EH

py2006 wrote: »

You....can't....watch.....T.....2.....?!?

Nope.

cowboyBuilder

Arnie needs to be able to let go and let it pass on to new characters, he can't be the main character anymore.

Look at Star Wars - it worked as Harrison Ford + Carrie Fisher were not the main characters - they played a handover role , and don't get me wrong I loved Harrison Ford in the new Star Wars, but the new characters stole the show for me.

Arnie needs to do the same, he can't be the main Terminator anymore , he needs a smaller role and new stronger characters need to be brought in for the handover - dump those 2 wooden dopes they had playing Kyle and Sarah.


I read somewhere a great idea - Arnie plays some human general, and back in his youth he was a legendary soldier , now in the beginnings of the war he is an experienced general - gets captured by skynet and they base the T-800 on this fine example of a warrior !!

cowboyBuilder

Tony EH wrote: »

Nope.

You just broke the internet , congratulations ...:P


T2 is the finest sequel ever made.

It has the unusual (perhaps Aliens too) fact that it's better then the original.

Tony EH

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

You just broke the internet , congratulations ...:P

You're a builder...fix it.

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

T2 is the finest sequel ever made.

Oh come on...better than 'The Godfather Part II', 'The Empire Strikes Back', or 'Dawn of the Dead'? :eek:

DrumSteve

seamus wrote: »

Genisys was actually watchable and basically set up a T6 movie. It'll very much be a "more machines, more fighting" thing. Will they even bring time travel into it?

After T3, didn't someone basically advise Arnie that the franchise had already been molested and he may as well milk it for everything he can get?

One thing that the later films have annoyed me about is that T1 and T2 were still sci-fi as well as action, and while they didn't go mad on the backstories, the science they did involved was described just enough to make it believable.

The rest basically started making up whatever nonsense they wanted that would help the story along, regardless of whether it was remotely believable. A terminator with a special gun-hand that can somehow get through the time-travel device. A human-machine hybrid from 30 years ago. Primitive (by T2 standards) polymimetic alloy that can magically transform a T500 into a T1000, just so that we don't have to see him die.

That would have been James Cameron.

cowboyBuilder

Tony EH wrote: »

You're a builder...fix it.

Yeah but a Cowboy Builder ... I wouldn't hire myself to put up some shelves... :P

Oh come on...better than 'The Godfather Part II', 'The Empire Strikes Back', or 'Dawn of the Dead'? :eek:

sh*t forgot about Empire !!

Well it's rare anyway !!

py2006

Ah here!

T2 is certainly up there with the best sequels.

How can you not like....

Don't forget your coat before you leave the internet and don't let the firewall hit you in the ass on the way out.

check_six

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

I read somewhere a great idea - Arnie plays some human general, and back in his youth he was a legendary soldier , now in the beginnings of the war he is an experienced general - gets captured by skynet and they base the T-800 on this fine example of a warrior !!

A version of this was an unused scene in T3. It works as a cheesy comedy sketch, but would not have worked in the movie. Have a look for it on youtube.

Tony EH

py2006 wrote: »

Ah here!

T2 is certainly up there with the best sequels.

How can you not like....

It's loud, stupid, outstays its welcome, has truly annoying characters and a ridiculous liquid robot.

The first picture is just a better film over all, even if the effects look dated these days. But, it was made on a pretty modest budget. It's darker and more serious tone leaves a better lasting impression.

I saw 'Terminator 2' in the cinema when it first came out and a few times since, but there's always been things that have rubbed me up the wrong way about it.

py2006

Tony EH wrote: »

It's loud, stupid, outstays its welcome, has truly annoying characters and a ridiculous liquid robot.

The first picture is just a better film over all, even if the effects look dated these days. But, it was made on a pretty modest budget. It's darker and more serious tone leaves a better lasting impression.

I saw 'Terminator 2' in the cinema when it first came out and a few times since, but there's always been things that have rubbed me up the wrong way about it.

You are literally the first person EVER to dislike that movie. :eek:

The first is awesome don't get me wrong but this was an excellent sequel. Can't believe I am trying to justify it.

Did you skip your cornflakes this morning or something?

Tony EH

py2006 wrote: »

You are literally the first person EVER to dislike that movie. :eek:

The first is awesome don't get me wrong but this was an excellent sequel. Can't believe I am trying to justify it.

Did you skip your cornflakes this morning or something?

I wasn't mad about it in 1991, never mind this morning. :P

You don't have to justify it. If you like it, you like it.

Red King

T2 is where the rot set in. Making it 12 rating. Ordering the Terminator to not kill people. Rehashing the plot of T1 ending in a factory showdown. Cheesy humour.

Saying that it is still very enjoyable. Arnie is iconic in it and Linda Hamilton was brilliant. But the subsequent films took all the bad parts and expanded them - more cheese, lowered rating, trying to one up the previous model, bad acting...

Jesus end it already.

TerrorFirmer

Terminator 2 is a great movie but I also prefer the first, it's a far more sinister and menacing movie. T2 lost that and shifted radically in tone towards blockbuster action. As films go though, still one of the best sequels ever made.

Gamb!t

py2006 wrote: »

..Yes it looks like it happening.



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Stacker Pentecost

Tony EH wrote: »

I wasn't mad about it in 1991, never mind this morning. :P

You don't have to justify it. If you like it, you like it.

I think it's more a case of you having to justify not liking it! Hehe

Seriously, though T2 is a truly awesome film and a great sequel, one of the best ever sequels I believe.

I enjoyed the last film, but it didn't capture what made the first two films so memorable. Jai Courtney was dreadful. He's a terrible actor. I'm really looking forward to T6 and can only hope he'll grow into the role or maybe the script will suit him better. Just anything than what we got with Genesys as far as he's concerned.

Arnold is one of those people you never want to get too old for this kind of thing. He's something of an enigma.

JustTheOne

A future war movie set in 2050 like t1 and t2 showed glimpses of please.

Trust me it's all the hardcore fans have been asking for years.

Hiding from hk's.
surviving on rats.
living in the underground sewars.
despair, fear, nuclear winters.

Unearthly

The 5th one although critically panned made $440m on a $155m budget so another one was inevitable

Kirby

JustTheOne wrote: »

A future war movie set in 2050 like t1 and t2 showed glimpses of please.

Trust me it's all the hardcore fans have been asking for years.

Hiding from hk's.
surviving on rats.
living in the underground sewars.
despair, fear, nuclear winters.

That may be what the hardcore fans want to see but that's not what the general public want. Any Terminator movie not set in the 80's or modern day isn't going to rake in the big bucks. Genisys, set in modern day, made more than 100 million more than Salvation did. There is a reason. And people love Christian Bale.

Todd Gack

Kirby wrote: »

That may be what the hardcore fans want to see but that's not what the general public want. Any Terminator movie not set in the 80's or modern day isn't going to rake in the big bucks. Genisys, set in modern day, made more than 100 million more than Salvation did. There is a reason. And people love Christian Bale.

The Chinese box office is that reason

Wedwood

It's probably impossible to make another decent Terminator movie.

The original was basically a routine '80's horror/chase movie where the unstoppable baddie chases the innocent girl. The twist was making the baddie a robot from the future instead of a Michael Myers/ Freddie Kruger type, typical of horror movies then.

The sequel succeeded because it was basically a remake of the first movie with the novelty being Swarzenegger was a good guy this time.

Trying to pad out what was a fairly thin backstory into further movies just doesn't work as evidenced in every Terminator movie since.

py2006

I still can't get over the dismissing of T2 in here. That movie wasn't merely a re-hash, it was stylishly filmed, it had wonderful action set pieces, it had some innovative and breakthrough effects. The T1000 was an awesome character played really well by Robert Patrick. Arguably one of the best action/sci-fi movies of all time.

It was such a thrill ride in the cinemas. Even the opening credits blew me away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We0oPCPHm9E

Tony EH

Wedwood wrote: »

It's probably impossible to make another decent Terminator movie.

The original was basically a routine '80's horror/chase movie where the unstoppable baddie chases the innocent girl. The twist was making the baddie a robot from the future instead of a Michael Myers/ Freddie Kruger type, typical of horror movies then.

The sequel succeeded because it was basically a remake of the first movie with the novelty being Swarzenegger was a good guy this time.

Trying to pad out what was a fairly thin backstory into further movies just doesn't work as evidenced in every Terminator movie since.

Agreed.

Although I've always viewed 'The Terminator' as basically Cameron's riff on Ridley Scott's 'Alien' and it's story was essentially good for one shot. But that shot has been stretched out to ridiculous lengths now, that it's becoming a parody at this stage.

To me, though, this franchises biggest sin is its watering down. When I first saw 'The Terminator', it was a horror film, with some sci-fi elements. Much in the way that 'Alien' was. It's dark tone was what made it. The second one was just a dumb ass action flick, with a silly bad guy and Arnie wanting to be the hero he played in a dozen other dumb ass action flicks. Enjoyable for what it was, but not a patch on the original.

They really should have just left it at that, because there was nowhere else to go with the story, except into the future with John Connor, which they tried and failed, because the well was already poisoned by then.

The Terminator franchise has outlived its welcome a LONG time ago and needs to be put out of our misery, cos it isn't going to get better. The last go around (really a reboot) was especially atrocious.

Riesen_Meal

I'm probably the only person I know who kind of liked the one with Christian Bale...



I would have liked to seen where that would have went...

deadybai

I think that I am the only one who liked T3, TS and TG. Genysis I thought was very good while T3 is the worst but still good enough.

Obviously there no where near the standard of the first two but I feel they were unfairly disliked because of this.

Keyzer

Last one was an absolute pile of dog sh1t. Should have stopped after the second one.

weemcd

deadybai wrote: »

I think that I am the only one who liked T3, TS and TG. Genysis I thought was very good while T3 is the worst but still good enough.

Obviously there no where near the standard of the first two but I feel they were unfairly disliked because of this.

T3 and Genysis were decent in my opinion and probably as good as each other in terms of quality in general.

I can't have Salvation though, it started so well and unravelled into an unfathomable mess by the end.

Ps I'd happily watch another Terminator, must finish the series also as I thought it was pretty decent.

JustTheOne

weemcd wrote: »

T3 and Genysis were decent in my opinion and probably as good as each other in terms of quality in general.

I can't have Salvation though, it started so well and unravelled into an unfathomable mess by the end.

Ps I'd happily watch another Terminator, must finish the series also as I thought it was pretty decent.

The series was actually great. Pity it got the chop.

Thargor

The latest one is the worst, its a joke of a film, zero redeeming qualities at all. Ill never forget the way the cinema was groaning at several points in it, it is absolute dogsh1t.

Billy86

Todd Gack wrote: »

The Chinese box office is that reason

How can over 1 billion people be so horribly, horribly wrong?

How hard can it be to not have such collectively awful taste? I mean they're right by Korea and Japan ffs, it's not like they have any excuses!

Billy86

Thargor wrote: »

The latest one is the worst, its a joke of a film, zero redeeming qualities at all. Ill never forget the way the cinema was groaning at several points in it, it is absolute dogsh1t.

It was the worst movie of 2015 for me, and the worst movie I have seen in 4-5 years. I didn't see the latest Die Hard which is apparently maybe even worse, but I have to agree - I would actually consider giving it 0/10. Maybe 1 for effort.

JP Liz V1

Mackenzie Davis is in negotiations to join the cast of the new Terminator” movie.

Tim Miller is directing, with James Cameron and Skydance’s David Ellison producing. Skydance is also financing the pic.

Billy Ray has signed on to polish the script that is based on a story conceived by Cameron, Miller, and Ellison.

Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger are returning to the franchise. Plot details are being kept under wraps, although Cameron has said that the film will be a direct sequel to “Terminator 2: Judgment Day” since he played no part in the recent installments.

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/mackenzie-davis-terminator-reboot-1202719960/