Terminator: Dark Fate **Spoilers from post 983**

Goodshape

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Cameron is producing, like he has all the other bad Terminator films.:pac:

Don't think he produced any Terminator films since the second one. IMDb doesn't list him as a producer on those as far as I can see.

fxotoole

JustTheOne wrote: »

A future war movie set in 2050 like t1 and t2 showed glimpses of please.

Trust me it's all the hardcore fans have been asking for years.

Hiding from hk's.
surviving on rats.
living in the underground sewars.
despair, fear, nuclear winters.

So, Terminator Salvation, basically?

oneilla

Not too excited for another outing since it's been a case of diminishing returns for 15years now.

But, I guess since I'm a Terminator fan I'll watch. Always enjoyed number 3 and the Sarah TV series for what they were. Couldn't really get into Salvation as it didn't really feel like a Terminator film. I think the whole "future war" movie is overrated - the draw for me is a terminator in modern day disguised as a human.

Genisys was just WTF!? Felt like that film dragged the series down into the Freddy/Jason realm of sequels with batsh!t stuff.

dr.fuzzenstein

o1s1n wrote: »

There's a deleted scene with Arnie as a general in it isn't there? More than just his voice.

It was Arnie, but dubbed by Samuel L. Jackson.
No really, this happened!

CatFromHue

oneilla wrote: »

Not too excited for another outing since it's been a case of diminishing returns for 15years now.

But, I guess since I'm a Terminator fan I'll watch. Always enjoyed number 3 and the Sarah TV series for what they were. Couldn't really get into Salvation as it didn't really feel like a Terminator film. I think the whole "future war" movie is overrated - the draw for me is a terminator in modern day disguised as a human.

Genisys was just WTF!? Felt like that film dragged the series down into the Freddy/Jason realm of sequels with batsh!t stuff.

The problem, like Alien 3, is that Terminator 2 ends the series so another film after it is going to struggle.

I didn't mind Salvation as at least it tried something. In Genisys I was up for mutual assured destruction

paulieeye

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Come on now, terminator 3 is a really good movie.

Your opinion is incorrect!!!

Inviere

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Come on now, terminator 3 is a really good movie.

Talk to the hand...

py2006

Any sequel to follow T2 is gonna suck a big one!

fxotoole

Inviere wrote: »

Talk to the hand...

*shoves nuke in Inviere's mouth*

You are TERMINATED!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkBLq_iD-_A

ebbsy

Thargor wrote: »

The latest one is the worst, its a joke of a film, zero redeeming qualities at all. Ill never forget the way the cinema was groaning at several points in it, it is absolute dogsh1t.

I watched it on youtube a few days after its release ?

It was vile rubbish. And both robots that took the whole of the first 2 movies to die managed to be killed off in the first 20 minutes ?

PS I thought 3 was watchable, and the rest pure filth after that.

pixelburp

First official (read, airbrushed) look at the main cast from Terminator 6; looks like Mackenzie Davis isn't entirely human - perhaps she's the terminator?

https://twitter.com/Terminator/status/1024640947940773888

davo2001

All female main cast?! Shag off PC brigade!

FFS!!!

off.the.walls

Honestly why are they doing another reboot?

pixelburp

Well, that didn't take long :rolleyes:

o1s1n

pixelburp wrote: »

First official (read, airbrushed) look at the main cast from Terminator 6; looks like Mackenzie Davis isn't entirely human - perhaps she's the terminator?

Linda Hamilton should be standing in the middle of that image. Doesn't bode well!

seamus

They all look superimposed on the background. Early teaser pictures are often terrible, with the pictures taken from early screen and makeup tests.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

davo2001

Are they going to call it "Herminator"?!

nix

Is John a tranny now?

steamsey

I thought T1 was amazing, I remember watching it a few years after it was released and being obsessed with Linda Hamilton’s boobs when she rides Kyle. I was a teenager. Good times. Also rest of film was good too.

T2 blew me (and most of the world) away. Savage film. Felt like the future had arrived watching those special effects – which still hold up well today in most cases.

T3 was fine. I think it was only at the very, very last scene that I liked it. You saw what the Terminator did by getting them to the mountain base, and then when the (low tech) radios started going off – I thought f*ck me that’s well done.

T4 was an unnecessary “stand alone” film but watchable / forgivable.

T5 was a travesty. When they went back to mess with the T1 timeline, and that famous scene where Arnie takes the punks’ clothes – I wanted to scream. Really should not have been made – messes with a story that many grew up with and loved, and added nothing. Hated it really – can’t see myself ever watching it again.

Cordell

T1 and T2 seen them last time maybe 15+ years ago, but i can still tell you the story in them. Roughly, but still
T3 - that cute liquid metal blonde terminator
T4 - fuzzy, in the future something-something
T5 - OAP Arnie, nanorobots something-something

Lorelli!

steamsey wrote: »

I thought T1 was amazing, I remember watching it a few years after it was released and being obsessed with Linda Hamilton’s boobs when she rides Kyle. I was a teenager. Good times. Also rest of film was good too. .

Is that all you have to say about her? actually i think that was one of the first sex scenes I ever saw in a film now that you say it!

No you know I think she is probably the best female character in a sci-fi action film. I love the the contrast and change in her from T1 to T2.

py2006

Wait, Arnie isn't in it????

CatFromHue

py2006 wrote: »

Wait, Arnie isn't in it????

He probably is but it's not a bad thing if he isn't.

Explaining how he has aged will make it complicated when it doesn't need to be.

CatFromHue

CatFromHue wrote: »

He probably is but it's not a bad thing if he isn't.

Explaining how he has aged will make it complicated when it doesn't need to be.

Not really. It's in cannon that model 101 skin ages like a normal human

CatFromHue

yeah but in T2 he's melted down at the end

so why a new terminator from the future is so old will be a tricky one to explain

nix

CatFromHue wrote: »

yeah but in T2 he's melted down at the end

so why a new terminator from the future is so old will be a tricky one to explain

They are messing with Time travel, they can easily work around it. He could be a Terminator they sent further back to protect someone else.. Maybe Johns new transgender surgeon

Agent Coulson

What better way to hide from a terminator than have a sex change.


They aren’t looking for Joan Conners.

TerrorFirmer

They could just mess with the timeline and create a reason why John Connor is no longer the leader of the resistance in the future and someone else is identified as destined to become same (eg, a woman). Whether that be light in tone (history redirected/JC never conceived) or a bit darker (John Connor is elimated)

T3 was fine. I think it was only at the very, very last scene that I liked it.

That last scene is genuinely excellent, quite unexpected in the context of the tone of the film to that point and the only scene that really stands out and does justice to the first two movies (although as a whole, T3 is not terrible).

That said I'm one of those people who genuinely prefered Genysis, faults and all, to Salvation.

p to the e

davo2001 wrote: »

Are they going to call it "Herminator"?!

I was thinking more "Ter-men-hater"

pixelburp

So given this new film is a direct sequel to T2, the relatively large age gap between Linda Hamilton and Natalia Reyes (supposedly playing 'Dani Ramos' the target of the Terminators), and Reyes' presumed Mexican heritage, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Reyes is playing John Connor's daughter - illegitimate or otherwise - born while hiding south of the border after the end of T2.

Seems like a fairly obvious leap to make; notwithstanding the fact the franchise is beyond hope anyway, with China probably to blame for a sixth film, the franchise is 34 years old at this stage - can't keep making it about John Connor, Might as well plough the whole 'pass the baton' narrative cliché ...

Tony EH

pixelburp wrote: »

So given this new film is a direct sequel to T2 ...

So, is this thing doing away with 3, 4 and 5?

pixelburp

Apparently yes; not 100% if it was confirmed via press release, but they're pulling a Superman Returns & simply ignoring the sequels post - T2.

Tony EH

pixelburp wrote: »

Apparently yes; not 100% if it was confirmed via press release, but they're pulling a Superman Returns & simply ignoring the sequels post - T2.

In that case, it might be worth a look.

Goodshape

Yeah, that official Twitter account describes itself as "The untitled, in-production sequel to James Cameron’s original Terminator films"

Goodshape

But also of course I agree with everyone else – definitely not enough penises in the first and only image we've seen. I just can't believe that females exist in the future or can hold guns or anything. They don't even have their tops off ffs.

****ing ridicules.

I, for one, will be queuing up for the first day of release but god damn I won't enjoy it.

Hande hoche!

That photo is giving off Dylann Roof vibes. Dangerously close to a bowl cut.

p to the e

Am I the only one who thought Terminator Salvation was decent? The opening 10-15 minutes was pretty dark.

constitutionus

pixelburp wrote: »

First official (read, airbrushed) look at the main cast from Terminator 6; looks like Mackenzie Davis isn't entirely human - perhaps she's the terminator?

https://twitter.com/Terminator/status/1024640947940773888

Final Fantasy's been on.

they want Cloud back.

vader ed

p to the e wrote: »

Am I the only one who thought Terminator Salvation was decent? The opening 10-15 minutes was pretty dark.

I really enjoyed Salvation. Went to see it twice in cinema.

Tony EH

p to the e wrote: »

Am I the only one who thought Terminator Salvation was decent? The opening 10-15 minutes was pretty dark.

It was OK. But more as a standalone film than anything else. It's certainly not worth some of the meltdowns that occurred over it.

CatFromHue

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That last scene is genuinely excellent, quite unexpected in the context of the tone of the film to that point and the only scene that really stands out and does justice to the first two movies (although as a whole, T3 is not terrible).

That said I'm one of those people who genuinely prefered Genysis, faults and all, to Salvation.

The ending of T3 is great, I thought the intro was very good too. After that they seemed to almost go down a slap stick comedy route which made no sense.

Diemos

Goodshape wrote: »

But also of course I agree with everyone else – definitely not enough penises in the first and only image we've seen. I just can't believe that females exist in the future or can hold guns or anything. They don't even have their tops off ffs.

****ing ridicules.

I, for one, will be queuing up for the first day of release but god damn I won't enjoy it.

I think this looks terrible but not because it's an all female poster, because it's a terrible straight to DVD looking poster. As a huge Terminator fan, I would love this movie to be great, but this looks awful. I've a young cousin who could knock up a better image in 5 minutes.

The hollywood's 'play it safe and just make reboot' thing has provided us with a lot of turkeys, and the latest 'let's make it a reboot but make it an all female lead cast' should not make such turkey's immune to criticism.

pixelburp

It's literally the first official shot, and is it really that surprising in this day and age the graphic design is a bit rubbish? 90% of posters and publicity these days is hastily knocked out airbrush jobs. We won't get a real sense of the film in motion til a trailer.

Sal Butamol

Who is this supposed to appeal to?

p to the e

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Who is this supposed to appeal to?

Honestly I'd say the Chinese market. The same market that is keeping a lot of awful films afloat and has produced some awful sequels/reboots. See "Transformers" and "Independence Day: Resurgence" for examples.

Sad Professor

It's got Terminator in the title, so it appeals to anyone familiar with the previous films which is a massive audience. Lets say a quarter of that audience decides they aren't interested based on the previous sequels being crap. Lets say another 10 percent decide not to bother based on the first official shot they saw on the internet looking photoshopped. And lets say (being extremely generous) 5 percent of male viewers decide not to bother because the leads are ewww females. That still leaves a huge audience who are up for another Terminator film.

As Jurassic World 2 showed, in a market saturated in superhero movies any big name blockbuster that isn't about superheroes will probably be embraced by audiences as long as it's watchable.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Tony EH wrote: »

It was OK. But more as a standalone film than anything else. It's certainly not worth some of the meltdowns that occurred over it.

I really liked it for the most part, the only complaint i have is the fact that the trailer gave away what would have been an awesome surprise - sam worthington being a terminator.

TerrorFirmer

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I really liked it for the most part, the only complaint i have is the fact that the trailer gave away what would have been an awesome surprise - sam worthington being a terminator.

Genysis was even worse. Gives away the John Connor twist in the trailer.

It was so blatant I assumed it was misdirection, but nope.

I think that was pretty much the point where I stopped watching trailers unless unavoidable - like at the cinema (even at that I actively avoided seeing trailers for the likes of The Last Jedi)

py2006

p to the e wrote: »

Honestly I'd say the Chinese market. The same market that is keeping a lot of awful films afloat and has produced some awful sequels/reboots. See "Transformers" and "Independence Day: Resurgence" for examples.

It also saved the last terminator

TheValeyard

CatFromHue wrote: »

The ending of T3 is great, I thought the intro was very good too. After that they seemed to almost go down a slap stick comedy route which made no sense.

Ending of three made sense.


T4 salvation was enjoyable. Id watch a series of those films.


This, ill hold judgement until trailer