UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

Gamebred

Kenny Bania wrote: »

It's weird, because I was talking about round 1 only, and you countered me with a reply about round 2.

Its weird if you think he won that rd 1 so easily,he had nate in zero danger and got taken down,take your conny tinted specs off Im as big as fan as anybody but you need come to come to terms that the first round wasnt some domination like people make out.

Foxtrol

Polo_Mint wrote: »

Why shouldn't Aldo/ Edgar be fighting for the Interim 145 belt on the same night as Conor?

You said Conor should be fighting for the belt or not fighting. To me seeing McGregor fight at a different weight class is preferable to him sitting at home for months on end like so many champions do.

I don’t think they should be fighting for an interim as at the time of the fight the belt will only be inactive for 7 months. I can’t think of another occasion where an interim belt was created on such a short period of inactivity. I’m not going to make a big deal about it though as I’d much prefer to see the two men fight for 5 rounds rather than 3 (though I don’t see it going 5).

darced

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Swashbuckler

darced wrote: »

Is anyone else getting pissed off with the two threads going at the same time?

Yes! Getting close to three if you look at the gambling thread.

Swashbuckler

Gamebred wrote: »

Its weird if you think he won that rd 1 so easily,he had nate in zero danger and got taken down,take your conny tinted specs off Im as big as fan as anybody but you need come to come to terms that the first round wasnt some domination like people make out.

But how did you score it and if you scored it for Conor is there any doubt it was a clear 10-9?

dave1982

Great interview reminds me of Conor being grateful in defeat. 24 hours after losing to Anderson he sits down to interview.I don't think no ever done it

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Carlos Condit talking about how he beat Nick Diaz sounds exactly what McGregor should have done for the Nate fight.

I think McGregor should train for part of this training camp in a different gym for his own sake. Think doing part of his training away from SBG would help him get a completely different perspective on a lot of things.

If he loses this he'll be a Champion on a two fight lose streak which would really take away from his persona of invincibility. It seems silly that he might throw away so much of the hype that he's built for himself over two fights with a non champion at Welterweight.

Mr_Muffin

His persona of invincibility has been obliterated.

Devastator

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Carlos Condit talking about how he beat Nick Diaz sounds exactly what McGregor should have done for the Nate fight.

If McGregor had have fought Nate the way CC fought Nick I would have instantly turned on him! Nobody wants to watch fights like that.

That is 1 of the most hateful fights Ive ever watched....I feel pis&ed off about it just thinking about it after all this time!

Jab, take 3 steps back, jab 4 steps back, etc, etc


I would have far more respect for a fighter who goes in to try and win the fight and getting knocked out than someone who tries to point score the rounds to win.

Gamebred

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Carlos Condit talking about how he beat Nick Diaz sounds exactly what McGregor should have done for the Nate fight.

I think McGregor should train for part of this training camp in a different gym for his own sake. Think doing part of his training away from SBG would help him get a completely different perspective on a lot of things.

If he loses this he'll be a Champion on a two fight lose streak which would really take away from his persona of invincibility. It seems silly that he might throw away so much of the hype that he's built for himself over two fights with a non champion at Welterweight.

Yep Nail on the head there from Carlos,Even though Daly Diaz is one of my favourites rounds of MMA ever so I gotta love Semtex for that tactic,

Look at Cowboy in comparison he sprinted over to Nate when the bell rang and got lit up couldnt fight his fight the way he wanted.



Anyone notice the length of the video is 420 btw LOL

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

His persona of invincibility has been obliterated.

If he wins against Nate and avenges the lose he can confidently say he had a one off night the first time, he miscalculated his energy etc. and wear his aura of invincibility once again with assuredness.

Devastator wrote: »

If McGregor had have fought Nate the way CC fought Nick I would have instantly turned on him! Nobody wants to watch fights like that.

That is 1 of the most hateful fights Ive ever watched....I feel pis&ed off about it just thinking about it after all this time!

Jab, take 3 steps back, jab 4 steps back, etc, etc


I would have far more respect for a fighter who goes in to try and win the fight and getting knocked out than someone who tries to point score the rounds to win.

For entertainment purposes I agree with you yeah.
But if McGregor goes in and 'blows his wad' like so many previous fighters have against a Diaz as Condit puts it, then he won't last until the second round again.

Devastator

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

For entertainment purposes I agree with you yeah.
But if McGregor goes in and 'blows his wad' like so many previous fighters have against a Diaz as Condit puts it, then he won't last until the second round again.

I get what your saying and I've heard people call it fighting smart but I just struggle to even call it fighting if you go out trying to get to a decision and win on points. In my mind, thats not fighting. I think fighters should go out and try to stop their opponent. I know Nate has a chin like granite and its improbable that McG will/can KO him but he could still punch the face off him(not throwing bombs) and mess him up that much that ref/doctor/corner has to stop it.

I had Nick in a bet that night and I was(still am) a big fan of his so I just found that fight incredibly frustrating to watch

evolving tipperary

McGregor needs to pace himself - and kick that front leg of Diaz into a mess (and body) - before he starts loading up... -(RDA did it to perfection)- if he slows down Diaz with kicks then he can be more accurate and land on the chin.

But, that's a lot easier said than done - Diaz has a size and strength advantage at 170 whether McGregor likes it or not

Gamebred

evolving tipperary wrote: »

McGregor needs to pace himself - and kick that front leg of Diaz into a mess (and body) - before he starts loading up... -(RDA did it to perfection)- if he slows down Diaz with kicks then he can be more accurate and land on the chin.

But, that's a lot easier said than done - Diaz has a size and strength advantage at 170 whether McGregor likes it or not

Diaz was getting swept off his feet by Cowboyz leg kicks and jumped straight back up for war,I think he needs to use leg kicks,along with very slick head movement with his boxing to do damage and take rounds,no stupid kicks with the risk of getting taken down easily from one.

Wrongway1985

Hard to believe I'm reading posts in an MMA forum tactics and what not suggested to eek out a decision...Jaysis

Gamebred

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Hard to believe I'm reading posts in an MMA forum tactics and what not suggested to eek out a decision...Jaysis

True,pussies win by decision.:rolleyes:

mdwexford

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Carlos Condit talking about how he beat Nick Diaz sounds exactly what McGregor should have done for the Nate fight.

I think McGregor should train for part of this training camp in a different gym for his own sake. Think doing part of his training away from SBG would help him get a completely different perspective on a lot of things.

If he loses this he'll be a Champion on a two fight lose streak which would really take away from his persona of invincibility. It seems silly that he might throw away so much of the hype that he's built for himself over two fights with a non champion at Welterweight.

Condit didn't beat Nick Diaz.

That was a very poor decision imo.

Swashbuckler

mdwexford wrote: »

Condit didn't beat Nick Diaz.

That was a very poor decision imo.

I thought 100% condit beat diaz. Either way Conor won't fight that way. I don't think it's in him.

mdwexford

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I thought 100% condit beat diaz. Either way Conor won't fight that way. I don't think it's in him.

I think I might have at the time as well.

Rewatched it on fight pass a few weeks ago and think Diaz won rounds 1, 2 and 5.

Yeah not a hope of Conor doing that.
If Conor can't beat Nate he wouldn't have a prayer vs Nick anyway.

crybaby

mdwexford wrote: »

Condit didn't beat Nick Diaz.

That was a very poor decision imo.

That was a perfect decision for me. I thought he made Diaz look like a clown in that fight, it was a brilliant game plan and he stuck to it.

mdwexford

crybaby wrote: »

That was a perfect decision for me. I thought he made Diaz look like a clown in that fight, it was a brilliant game plan and he stuck to it.

What rounds did you give Condit?

Personally I thought Condit ran for a lot of the fight. Obviously standing and banging with Nick isn't a good idea though.

newbbieb

mdwexford wrote: »

What rounds did you give Condit?

Personally I thought Condit ran for a lot of the fight. Obviously standing and banging with Nick isn't a good idea though.

I thought Condit won it but he definitely fought conservatively and can understand some complaints,but he was following a Greg Jackson gameplan to nail down that title shot and has often spoke of wanting to redo that fight or rewrite that wrong because it definitely wasn't the Condit we normally see he just played it safe to guarantee the win and title shot.

In reality its a fight i would love to see done over too and i know Diaz is very durable but i think Condit beats him a lot more decisively if they ever fought again and it wouldn't be that close.

not yet

If its true that Conor had a chest infection the week of the Diaz fight then it makes sense why he gassed so quickly, A mate said to me at the time that he still looked like he was gasping for air mins after the fight ended.

If its true it could also explain why he went all out to knock Diaz out knowing he would gas in the 2nd..

Watching him train and say (I can go all day) doesn't tally with gassing out in the 2nd but having a chest infection would.

akelly02

not yet wrote: »

If its true that Conor had a chest infection the week of the Diaz fight then it makes sense why he gassed so quickly, A mate said to me at the time that he still looked like he was gasping for air mins after the fight ended.

If its true it could also explain why he went all out to knock Diaz out knowing he would gas in the 2nd..

Watching him train and say (I can go all day) doesn't tally with gassing out in the 2nd but having a chest infection would.

I believe he did have a chest infection and it could have affected him. But his talk of I can go all day is just his typical shiite talk. He also said he would rather die than tap..he tapped. ..he also slated other fighters for becoming panic wrestlers when they are being lit up on the feet and he also became one himself that night. All in all what im trying to say is dont take his words as gospel

DeVore

I can go all day. So long as that day doesn't involve someone punching, wrestling and kicking me full force!

There's a world of a difference between training all day and fighting all day.

meepins

mdwexford wrote: »

Condit didn't beat Nick Diaz.

That was a very poor decision imo.

Just watched it again. Condit clear winner for me. Diaz definitely lost the last three rounds.

newbbieb

not yet wrote: »

If its true that Conor had a chest infection the week of the Diaz fight then it makes sense why he gassed so quickly, A mate said to me at the time that he still looked like he was gasping for air mins after the fight ended.

If its true it could also explain why he went all out to knock Diaz out knowing he would gas in the 2nd..

Watching him train and say (I can go all day) doesn't tally with gassing out in the 2nd but having a chest infection would.

I would love to believe a chest infection caused him to gas,ิbut it would be a big coincidence that he happened to gas from a chest infection the same fight that he jumped up significant weight and for the first time ever fighting this heavy.

not yet

newbbieb wrote: »

I would love to believe a chest infection caused him to gas,ิbut it would be a big coincidence that he happened to gas from a chest infection the same fight that he jumped up significant weight and for the first time ever fighting this heavy.

We'll find out in the rematch..

newbbieb

not yet wrote: »

We'll find out in the rematch..

We will for sure,i think its hard to see any way the fight plays out much different at 170 with Diaz on a full camp.

Conor gassed no doubt and was getting off his stool tired for round 2 but once Nate landed on him he couldn't handle the power,without doubt he was gassed and was just standing there and easy to hit,but over a five rounder Nate won't gas and its unimaginable that he won't land on Conor again at some point i would love to be wrong and hope it plays out different but i can't see how Conor beats him at this weight.

mdwexford

meepins wrote: »

Just watched it again. Condit clear winner for me. Diaz definitely lost the last three rounds.

No way not the fifth, he controlled the centre a lot more and took him down and controlled him for about 90 seconds.

Condit landed a few more shots on the feet, couple of nice combos.

Takedown won Diaz the fight imo.

Each to their own though, every judge/person scores fights differently.