Election - Poll

robdonn

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Delighted Willie Penrose got that seat. The country would be a lot worse off if Labour had no speaking rights!

Yeah, although I'm still hoping for a new election (in early 2017 when I'm back in Ireland and can vote). Both AAA and SD got enough votes to get funding for the next campaign, so I'd imagine with more time and resources they should be able to scrape together more seats and build up the left some more.

Of course that's if FF and FG don't go into government together, which they probably will.

smacl

robdonn wrote: »

Yeah, although I'm still hoping for a new election (in early 2017 when I'm back in Ireland and can vote). Both AAA and SD got enough votes to get funding for the next campaign, so I'd imagine with more time and resources they should be able to scrape together more seats and build up the left some more.

Of course that's if FF and FG don't go into government together, which they probably will.

I'm hoping FF and FG do go into government together. More stability in the short term, giving the smaller parties time and space to grow into the size of opposition that could form a credible government in four years time. I think both FF and FG would both dearly love to be in opposition, where they could sit back and play the blame game without exposing themselves to any difficult decision making, and think they'll both do whatever they can to wriggle out of a coalition.

robindch

Cabaal wrote: »

Its been 37 years since a hung Dáil occurred, I'd expect the partys to backtrack on their previous comments rather then let is happen.

As somebody said recently on the News Quiz, politicians should really come equipped with reversing beepers.

Walter H Price

With both Fine Gael and Fianna Fail trying to avoid a coalition i think theres some real opportunity there for some progressive voices like the Greens and Social Democrats to get cabinet seats .

Hopefully there are some real talks about political reform and progressive social change like a vote on the 8th and addressing school patronage , getting sick of how much air time the Irish Water nonsense is getting over these far more important issues.

robdonn

Walter H Price wrote: »

With both Fine Gael and Fianna Fail trying to avoid a coalition i think theres some real opportunity there for some progressive voices like the Greens and Social Democrats to get cabinet seats .

Hopefully there are some real talks about political reform and progressive social change like a vote on the 8th and addressing school patronage , getting sick of how much air time the Irish Water nonsense is getting over these far more important issues.

I'd like to be optimistic and think that these things will happen, but Ireland is a very slow moving country when it comes to social issues.

I think our best hope for now is the call for political reform made by the SocDems, otherwise we're getting 5 more years of the same crap.

robdonn

Wired In: Interviews with James Heffernan of the Social Democrats and Peter Mullan of The INTO

Between the 10-15 minute marks, you can hear the utter disappointment and despair from Heffernan that Ireland voted in the same 2 major parties again, despite their complete unwillingness to change the broken system that they built. He sounds like he is about to cry!

Hotblack Desiato

from Broadsheet




Edit: Didn't see this guy mentioned here, a candidate who claimed on his election leaflet he's slept with more than 3000 people.

meeeeh

robdonn wrote: »

Wired In: Interviews with James Heffernan of the Social Democrats and Peter Mullan of The INTO

Between the 10-15 minute marks, you can hear the utter disappointment and despair from Heffernan that Ireland voted in the same 2 major parties again, despite their complete unwillingness to change the broken system that they built. He sounds like he is about to cry!

A union official almost crying? How sweet, it almost makes me wish ff/fg government for life.

Canadel

Cabaal wrote: »

No words needed for this one....

Pro Let

Walter H Price

Do you think if another election is called we will get anything other than another hung Dail ?

Would the Social Democrats run more candidates ? allot of people i spoke to wanted to vote SD but didn't have a candidate in their area we were the same out in Fingal.

Would you change your vote having seen how the last election played out ?

sheep?

I can't recall were I saw it (possibly RTE), but a poll suggested not much change if we went back tomorrow, for example. The only significant changes I noticed were Labour down 3, SD up 2 and independents down. Saying that, if another election were called tomorrow, a lot could happen in the intervening weeks.

SD could 9and probably will) definitely run more candidates since they'll have funding for the next election.

Personally, I wouldn't change my vote.

Walter H Price

I think people have seen now that voting independent just leads to instability , id like to think if the SD could run more candidates next time out they would definitely get more seats, with people who voted independent because they were sick of the same old stale civil war parties , transferring their vote SD if more candidates were available.

PopePalpatine

Chances are my constituency would be one of the few to not experience the SDs expand their operations. :rolleyes:

feargale

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Didn't see this guy mentioned here, a candidate who claimed on his election leaflet he's slept with more than 3000 people.

And got 127 votes. It doesn't say much for the quality of the sex.

PopePalpatine

feargale wrote: »

And got 127 votes. It doesn't say much for the quality of the sex.

Maybe he was trying the Drumpf strategy of saying outrageous stuff for attention. :pac:

Hotblack Desiato

Maybe he didn't restrict himself to partners living in his constituency?

Anyway. I'd say another election is more than likely at this stage, and FG will dump Enda over the side as soon as the Dail is dissolved. Basically, anybody else would win them a few extra urban seats.

robdonn

Spin doctor John Drennan quits Renua after election failure

The former Sunday Independent political editor joined Renua in May of last year, saying the new political party had “the potential to bring real change to Irish politics”.

Drennan worked closely with party leader Lucinda Creighton throughout his time with the party, but it failed to capture the support of the public it had hoped for.

Renua lost all three of its TDs in the general election with Creighton the most high-profile casualty in Dublin Bay South.

It failed to win Dáil seats anywhere else despite fielding 26 candidates. It’s understood that Drennan handed in his notice on election day.

Cabaal

robdonn wrote: »

Spin doctor John Drennan quits Renua after election failure

Can't say I blame him, the party is finished,
It was ill thought out, the people involved in it were not people that most of the population wanted and one of their head people was seriously hated.

Having Eddie Hobbs involved also made it a laughing stock for anyone that remember the type of stuff he came out with during the boom..cough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riFSbr-TgTg

Cabaal

Renua Ireland is going to change its name

http://www.thejournal.ie/renua-name-chamge-2795102-May2016/

RENUA’S REACTION TO the party’s disastrous electoral performance will see it change its name to a variant of Renua – The Liberal Democratic Party.

Liberal?
I certainly wouldn't refer to Lucinda as Liberal, can they be done for false advertising on this?
The party only came about because Lucinda was against allowing abortion in certain instances, if we can call that Liberal then perhaps we should call UKIP's views on migrants Liberal.

PopePalpatine

Maybe it's "liberal" in the classical sense of the word.

meeeeh

Considering FF are members of ALDE in Europe they should be OK...

robindch

Cabaal wrote: »

Liberal?

Probably a "Liberal Democratic Party" in the same sense as Vladimir Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democratic Party of Russia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_of_Russia

robdonn

Cabaal wrote: »

Renua Ireland is going to change its name

http://www.thejournal.ie/renua-name-chamge-2795102-May2016/



Liberal?
I certainly wouldn't refer to Lucinda as Liberal, can they be done for false advertising on this?
The party only came about because Lucinda was against allowing abortion in certain instances, if we can call that Liberal then perhaps we should call UKIP's views on migrants Liberal.

Sounds like they're trying to steal some of the good reputation of the SocDems.

Bristolscale7

Yeah I think they mean Liberal like Trevelyan was Liberal.

meeeeh

It's a name that should mean pro business, socially liberal but in general it means smaller parties fighting for scraps outside socialist/SD/labour or cd/conservative block. Alde basically take anything they can get and they still didn't get anywhere. It's rarely different on national level.

Hotblack Desiato

Took this picture last month, seems appropriate for this thread :

The Randy Riverbeast

The People's Liberal Democratic Party would have been better.

robindch

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

The People's Liberal Democratic Party would have been better.

Given the number of members, "The Person's Liberal Democratic Party" might be the best.

Cabaal

Another update about Lucinda (former Renue fame).

It seems she's a fan of Startrek and she's started a consulting firm

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/07/25/live-long-and-prosper/

http://vulcanconsulting.eu/

Our CEO, Lucinda Creighton, is a former Member of Parliament and Minister for European Affairs in the Irish Government, with extensive knowledge of the regulatory and bureaucratic systems across Europe.

We provide unique insights, analysis and advice for companies who deal with the complex and ever changing regulatory environment in the European Union. Vulcan is headquartered in the heart of Dublin, and has a significant presence in Brussels.

The mission of Vulcan Consulting is to provide expert strategic advice which simplifies government and EU bureaucracy for companies, while optimising the level of engagement with systems of law making and regulation.

She couldn't manage a part, would you trust her as a consultant?

Perhaps Lolek Ltd will employ her?

recedite

Lobbyist for hire, it seems.
A lot of the ex-eurocrats seem to cash in on the connections they have made. Lucinda is only small fry though, so she must be relatively cheap.

I see Barroso now works for Goldman Sachs...no wonder the banksters and big businesses never lose. Need another bailout? No problemo.