Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

constance tench

slicus ricus wrote: »

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On the 3rd day he rose again...and he did endeth the Internet. @ Reykjavík, Iceland

Bunch of narcissists.

Effects

Ush1 wrote: »

True, but I genuinely just think he wants to make sure he give full focus to his training. A lot of fighters change everything after a loss. I don't think him being afraid or anything comes into it.

It's a bit of both I'd say. I believe he wants to focus on his training. He also wants a bigger payday and doesn't want to do his whole trash talk spiel with someone who beat him.

StringerBell

CSF wrote: »

If that was the case then Diaz would never be able to show his face again after all his defeats

There is a difference between the two and I am sure you know what it is.

mikeym

Phew Conor is not retiring.

JohnMc1

Ush1 wrote: »

Weird that he went to Brazil before the Aldo fight, known to be MUCH more hostile.

Something is definitely fishy about this situation. Conor usually loves being the centre of attention.

Maybe the interest in the rematch wasn't what they were hoping for so they came up with this fake drama to build some and use the "Could this be Conor's fight" angle to sell it.

Den_M

Axwell wrote: »

All Diaz could say is that, and he would get drowned out by McGregor during every interview that would happen. McGregor is too witty for him, Nates thought process goes at about 10 mile an hour. You cant expect it to go any other way, McGregor is well able to handle any crowd. The abuse he got in Brazil from the crowd rolled off his back. Nate offers nothing in the thrash talking game and its a waste of both their time.

What are you on about? The number 1 thing we get from that statement is that Conor is really worried about the rematch, worried about getting beaten and humiliated again and wants the maximum amount of time without distractions to prepare as fully as he can. He's not in a position of strength here, the opposite. Whether Nate is 'witty' or not has zero to do with it, they fought before and he knocked him around the cage and choked him out. Quit being a hairy male cheerleader

Axwell

Den_M wrote: »

What are you on about? The number 1 thing we get from that statement is that Conor is really worried about the rematch, worried about getting beaten and humiliated again and wants the maximum amount of time without distractions to prepare as fully as he can. He's not in a position of strength here, the opposite. Whether Nate is 'witty' or not has zero to do with it, they fought before and he knocked him around the cage and choked him out. Quit being a hairy male cheerleader

Who is this "we" you refer to and what may I ask are you on about? You seem to have misread what I wrote..I never said Nate was witty..I said McGregor is too witty for him, in reply to someone else about the whole McGregor being scared of the thrash talk. If you are going to go making stupid comments at least try keep up with the conversation you are quoting. While you are at it probably not a good idea to start calling people names..

constance tench

Ush1 wrote: »

Diaz walked out because he didn't have a clue what was going on.

Didn't he walk out because they kept slagging him about how poor he was?

eddie73

Conor does not want to do promotions any more, but he does want to earn massive money. There's a contradiction.

Diaz no doubt will be in front of the camera this weekend, with a vacant chair beside him. Not fair on the lad, he has given so much to the sport and now he stands to lose out big time on this.

If I were to call it, the more I think about it, the more I feel that McGregor just wants to turn up now and fight. Until the memory of ufc 196 is erased from public consciousness and his own, this is how he wants to handle it. Otherwise, sitting in front of a camera is going to be impossible, because he cant keep up the talk he talked before the diaz fights and all the other ones, nor can he retract it. I watched the press conferences as closely as the fight if not closer, as it had its own massive appeal and one thing that struck me. McGregor absolutely loved being in front of the camera. He was also 100% sure in his own mind that his left hook would win the day once more.

Had he beaten Diaz, you can be quite sure that he would be in vegas this weekend wearing a pair of sunglasses and short sleeveless shirt, trash talking his next opponent from the off, and loving absolutely every single minute of it.

SeanBlack

.ak wrote: »

As rants go it's good. Can't help but feel he seems a little shaken though, first time I've heard him admitting someone's advantages over him...

Still tho I think he's absolutely right. Afaik the promo stipulations changed so he's right to fight for himself.

Didn't read like a rant to me at all. I wanted to see Conor win against Diaz but there was a part of me that knew the loss could bring good things for him. I really hoped it would allow him to reflect and get back to what many would see as his core values.

We all, (okay many of us) enjoy Conor the showman who says crazy **** and gives us a laugh. But he's always been about more than that: when he analyses fights; talks about movement; breaks down all the set backs he's had; truly gives us an insight into the grace, power and brutality of MMA. That's the Conor that compels. Not the dancing monkey.

Let's get back to Conor the fighter and allow the man the chance to give the dancing monkey routine a break. If Dana is SO worried about Conor promoting, I'm reliably informed, having worked in TV, movies and publishing for years that TV crews can actually get on a plane.

Conor in Iceland intercut with Diaz preparing in Stockton is a great promo right there. It's hardly rocket science.

There are a myriad ways that Conor can promote the fight and give amazing value to the UFC at minimal cost to either them or his preparation. Everything else is noise.

SteM

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Maybe the interest in the rematch wasn't what they were hoping for so they came up with this fake drama to build some and use the "Could this be Conor's fight" angle to sell it.

There's still 2 and a half months to go to UFC 200. Why start to build up fake drama now? They haven't even run UFC 197 yet. If they were going to do something to build fake drama why wouldn't wait until closer to the event so it's fresh in everyone's minds? I think some people are looking for angles where there are none.

Davei141

He is dead right.

bmcc10

eddie73 wrote: »

Conor does not want to do promotions any more, but he does want to earn massive money. There's a contradiction.

Diaz no doubt will be in front of the camera this weekend, with a vacant chair beside him. Not fair on the lad, he has given so much to the sport and now he stands to lose out big time on this.

If I were to call it, the more I think about it, the more I feel that McGregor just wants to turn up now and fight. Until the memory of ufc 196 is erased from public consciousness and his own, this is how he wants to handle it. Otherwise, sitting in front of a camera is going to be impossible, because he cant keep up the talk he talked before the diaz fights and all the other ones, nor can he retract it. I watched the press conferences as closely as the fight if not closer, as it had its own massive appeal and one thing that struck me. McGregor absolutely loved being in front of the camera. He was also 100% sure in his own mind that his left hook would win the day once more.

Had he beaten Diaz, you can be quite sure that he would be in vegas this weekend wearing a pair of sunglasses and short sleeveless shirt, trash talking his next opponent from the off, and loving absolutely every single minute of it.

I don't get how Diaz loses out, If McGregor hadn't accepted the 1st fight he'd be sitting on stage anyway missing out with his 20/20 checque or whatever it was that's even if he'd have gotten on the 200 card

RedemptionZ

Jesus the reaction on social media is insane, just shows how big of a star he is, no other UFC star in the history of the sport could get such widespread attention.

Too many comments making me angry, so I'm not gonna follow this thread for a while. I think we'll end up seeing him fight at UFC 200 but who knows.

CSF

StringerBell wrote: »

There is a difference between the two and I am sure you know what it is.

I think I know what you're referring to but I don't think tapping out once is of more shame than being beaten like 10 times. I think McGregor would do fine in a press conference. He wasn't trying to get out of doing them. Just the amount of them.

StringerBell

constance tench wrote: »

Didn't he walk out because they kept slagging him about how poor he was?

He walked out because (it was the dumbest interview ever for two UFC fighters to be involved in) the interviewer kept asking financial related questions, as he said "What is this the ****ing business channel?"

They didn't want to discuss the fight or the sport, stupid questions one after the other, which Conor lapped up actually till she asked him how much money he had, I am surprised it took either man that long to just say **** this **** and leave.

Polo_Mint

eddie73 wrote: »

Diaz no doubt will be in front of the camera this weekend, with a vacant chair beside him. Not fair on the lad, he has given so much to the sport and now he stands to lose out big time on this.

why the fuck is it not fair?

The only words from Diaz in the Press Conference is " **** You Mofo"

You dont even need Diaz at the press conference. A cardboard cutout with that quote is enough

Conor is the one who has beefed up any fight night he was involved in.

It looks like he wont do it anymore and the UFC needs to find another dancing monkey to do it.

StringerBell

CSF wrote: »

I think I know what you're referring to but I don't think tapping out once is of more shame than being beaten like 10 times. I think McGregor would do fine in a press conference. He wasn't trying to get out of doing them. Just the amount of them.

No, I'm not referring to the tapping out stuff. There is no shame in tapping despite the stigma attached. Of course, when you say you would rather die then tap you bring that on yourself after you tap. (It was more then once for the record)

Conor set himself up as the king of the industry, McGregor belt, McGregor weight class, owned everybody, ran the game, Mystic Mac etc

It is a lot tougher to come back in front of the cameras after a crushing defeat like that once you have built yourself up so much. That is what I am getting at.

lougal88

Here are my thoughts:

McGregor talks up the 1st Diaz fight. "I am a lion, he is a gazelle" etc.
He was ok with doing all the press and media as he plays up the persona of the greatest p4p fighter who is unbeatable.

Diaz chokes him out and humiliates him - the Gazelle eats the lion.

Now for the 2nd fight, how can he hype it? What can he say coming off a loss?
All that crap about lions, gazelles etc won't wash. Diaz could destroy him with one comment i.e. "I made you tap mutha f*cka!"

So what does he do? Refuses to do the media and press obligations. He has already accepted the loss and said all that needs to be said. This rematch is about redemption.

Smart move, but I see straight through it.
Can't talk, won't talk...

StringerBell

Polo_Mint wrote: »

why the fuck is it not fair?

The only words from Diaz in the Press Conference is " **** You Mofo"

You dont even need Diaz at the press conference. A cardboard cutout with that quote is enough

Conor is the one who has beefed up any fight night he was involved in.

It looks like he wont do it anymore and the UFC needs to find another dancing monkey to do it.

Are you forgetting some of the zingers Diaz hit him with or something?

Billy86

CSF wrote: »

I think I know what you're referring to but I don't think tapping out once is of more shame than being beaten like 10 times. I think McGregor would do fine in a press conference. He wasn't trying to get out of doing them. Just the amount of them.

McGregor has not beaten Diaz 10 times though, or even once. Losses are not a big deal for Diaz because he is not much of a trash talker and is all about his "anyone, anytime" style mantra, he doesn't hand his hat on his W/L record, whereas McGregor had been quite a bit in more recent times.

If anyone could still find a way to talk around that it would be McGregor. But it's a huge and easy retort to almost everything he could say to Nate.

ERG89

eddie73 wrote: »

Conor does not want to do promotions any more, but he does want to earn massive money. There's a contradiction.

Tbh yeah, he's got himself over as a personality as much as a fighter. He does that best with these conferences, weigh ins and the theatrics of it. Although I felt Diaz won those exchanges as he didn't really give two fúcks what McGregor said which isn't a popular opinion but is my opinion.
He should have taken a longer break after 196, he'd earned it tbh but Conor wanted a rematch asap for some reason
Of course UFC want to promote the shít out of it and UFC 200 too :rolleyes:

paulieeye

lougal88 wrote: »

Refuses to do the media and press obligations.

He didnt refuse media and press obligations, just didnt want to do the extra stuff they had planned, like this photoshoot where they wouldnt be trah talking.

There would of been plenty of time for Nate to remind Conor that he made him tap.

So theres a big hole in your thoery unless you want to expand it to say that conor knew he would be cut from the card for not doing the shoot and so wouldnt have to face Nate at all...but thats a bit mad to be honest

eddie73

lougal88 wrote: »

Here are my thoughts:

McGregor talks up the 1st Diaz fight. "I am a lion, he is a gazelle" etc.
He was ok with doing all the press and media as he plays up the persona of the greatest p4p fighter who is unbeatable.

Diaz chokes him out and humiliates him - the Gazelle eats the lion.

Now for the 2nd fight, how can he hype it? What can he say coming off a loss?
All that crap about lions, gazelles etc won't wash. Diaz could destroy him with one comment i.e. "I made you tap mutha f*cka!"

So what does he do? Refuses to do the media and press obligations. He has already accepted the loss and said all that needs to be said. This rematch is about redemption.

Smart move, but I see straight through it.
Can't talk, won't talk...

This is it in a nutshell. He is trapped. There could be more people behind the scenes advising against him doing the promotions for this very reason. His financial clout could come tumbling down in seconds, as Diaz is a very blunt and able opponent on and off the stage. I used to think he was a bit slow-witted, but some of the comments he made in the press conference totally took McGregor by surprise. On this count, Conor McGregor is probably doing the right thing.

StringerBell

paulieeye wrote: »

He didnt refuse media and press obligations, just didnt want to do the extra stuff they had planned, like this photoshoot where they wouldnt be trah talking.

There would of been plenty of time for Nate to remind Conor that he made him tap.

So theres a big hole in your thoery unless you want to expand it to say that conor knew he would be cut from the card for not doing the shoot and so wouldnt have to face Nate at all...but thats a bit mad to be honest

He did refuse to do media and press obligations.

paulieeye

StringerBell wrote: »

He did refuse to do media and press obligations.

all media and press obligations? Cus thats the only way it would work for that idea to be correct

zpehtsfd

StringerBell wrote: »

It is a lot tougher to come back in front of the cameras after a crushing defeat like that once you have built yourself up so much. That is what I am getting at.

Right on the mark. Hard to trash talk your opponent after he submitted you in a prior fight. If he beats Diaz in the rematch then he'll be back to promoting full swing.

All of this "have to focus on fight" is nonsense.

StringerBell

paulieeye wrote: »

all media and press obligations? Cus thats the only way it would work for that idea to be correct

What idea?

I responded to someone (I see now it was you) saying he didn't refuse to do media and press obligations, when he clearly did.

eddie73

paulieeye wrote: »

all media and press obligations? Cus thats the only way it would work for that idea to be correct

What you offer an organization, and what the organization can offer you. It is not one way traffic either way.

If anyone is earning 8 million + a fight, then there is going to have to be media commitments involved.

paulieeye

StringerBell wrote: »

What idea?

I responded to someone (I see now it was you) saying he didn't refuse to do media and press obligations, when he clearly did.

look who I was responding to and in what context