Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

Axwell

Mellor wrote: »

Bisping would be in my actual top either. But the stipulation was bent holders only. There are only 10 belt holders.

No love for the women - well Joanna Champion specifically?

Mellor

Axwell wrote: »

Mellor wrote: »

Bisping would be in my actual top either. But the stipulation was bent holders only. There are only 10 belt holders.

No love for the women - well Joanna Champion specifically?

As I said above, P4P is a shakey concept as it is. It's supposed to quantitfy fighters ability if they were the same weight (or regardless of weight, if you prefer).
How does sex fit into that?

If we simply disregard sex, then the men are simply better. Trying to assign a bonus to females to make up for that makes the listing impossible imo. So I leave them out they out entirely. There should be a separate list.

Axwell

Sure - was just seeing if you didnt count her in the top 10 or were just excluding women. I agree, shakey is putting it mildly to be honest. In the UFC P4P (not that I give them much weight) they have Joanna in 8th, ahead of the likes of Woodley and Bisping if going off the title holders only as you listed. Its totally subjective though as we know - fighters being taken as a unified weight is only one factor, there's taking into account previous opponents, how exciting their fights were (was it a finish or a decision), their general fame. Or you can just ignore all logic if you are Marcelo Russio :pac:

Swashbuckler

Axwell wrote:

No love for the women - well Joanna Champion specifically?

Give us your top five there.

Axwell

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Give us your top five there.

Under the same rules as Mellor put id have to go with the same top 5 he did. I dont think they are really interchangeable. Positions 5-10 you could maybe swap one here and there but the top 5 is pretty concrete as is.

MichaelScarn

I think Eddie's tactics will be similar to his fight against RDA. Think he is going to almost bullrush straight away. RDA has a better chin than Conor so could definitely see McGregor being dropped if he is not careful

Swashbuckler

MichaelScarn wrote:

I think Eddie's tactics will be similar to his fight against RDA. Think he is going to almost bullrush straight away. RDA has a better chin than Conor so could definitely see McGregor being dropped if he is not careful

You saw what happened the last guy that bullrushed McGregor?

JustTheOne

MichaelScarn wrote: »

I think Eddie's tactics will be similar to his fight against RDA. Think he is going to almost bullrush straight away. RDA has a better chin than Conor so could definitely see McGregor being dropped if he is not careful

When has conors chin been tested?

MichaelScarn

Conor himself has said that his power doesn't transalte well to the bigger man. I read that Alvarez weighs around 180 and he has a great chin.

Alvarez may very well be able to walk down Conor's shots.

Conor's chin was rocked against Diaz. He also absorbed the most amount of significant strikes in his career in his previous fight against Diaz.

Duff

MichaelScarn wrote: »

I think Eddie's tactics will be similar to his fight against RDA. Think he is going to almost bullrush straight away. RDA has a better chin than Conor so could definitely see McGregor being dropped if he is not careful

Re-watched the Brimmage fight earlier, Conor was picking his shot at will going backwards while Brimmage tried "bullrush" him and he's improved considerably since then. It'd be a bad game plan from Eddie, I feel.

Duff

JustTheOne wrote: »

When has conors chin been tested?

Nate wobbled him in the first fight. That's all I can think of. He marched through everyone else's attempts.

Swashbuckler

MichaelScarn wrote:

Conor himself has said that his power doesn't transalte well to the bigger man. I read that Alvarez weighs around 180 and he has a great chin.

That's gonna be what's really interesting. Does the power translate to 155....whatever about diaz who was a 190lbs beast. alvarez is no diaz. But can't wait to see if it translates

MichaelScarn

Don't think the comparison between Brimmage and Alvarez bullrushing is fair.

First of all Conor was the bigger man against Brimmage, someone correct me but I don't think this will be the case against Eddie, and secondly Eddie is far far superior than Brimmage

JustTheOne

MichaelScarn wrote: »

Don't think the comparison between Brimmage and Alvarez bullrushing is fair.

First of all Conor was the bigger man against Brimmage, someone correct me but I don't think this will be the case against Eddie, and secondly Eddie is far far superior than Brimmage

What are you basing RDA having a better chin than Conor on?

Duff

MichaelScarn wrote: »

Don't think the comparison between Brimmage and Alvarez bullrushing is fair.

First of all Conor was the bigger man against Brimmage, someone correct me but I don't think this will be the case against Eddie, and secondly Eddie is far far superior than Brimmage

Oh, no doubt Eddie is a better fighter. I'm saying that their striking style is the similar, head down, biting on the gumshield swinging. Aldo too. I was just saying I don't think that tac-tic will work for Eddie. IMO.

Gamebred

Did you actually watch the Alvarez RDA fight?


Eddie bull rushed nobody he was backed up onto the cage getting lit up and through a jab right hand hayemaker and rocked RDA,


Secondly at no stage was Conor chin cracked in the Diaz rematch to any great extent he ate a bomb of an elbow on the cage and took it like a champ there was one persons whose legs buckled in that fight and it wasnt McGregors,


The first fight when he was rocked he was beaten then,standing flat footed gassed out altogether after punching himself out if thats what you wanna label tested fair enough I wont argue,Mendes landed right handed hayemakers once or twice and he laughed at them.

wonderfullife

Congratulations to Conors training partner Dillon Danis and to JK in his corner for a phenomenal performance in Polaris 4 defeating Jackson Sousa. There was a lot of confidence ahead of the event and he attacked from the gate. High pace, numerous sub attempts and finally secured the win via heelhook.

Subcomandante Marcos

wonderfullife wrote: »

Congratulations to Conors training partner Dillon Danis and to JK in his corner for a phenomenal performance in Polaris 4 defeating Jackson Sousa. There was a lot of confidence ahead of the event and he attacked from the gate. High pace, numerous sub attempts and finally secured the win via heelhook.

Why he ducking my boy GT tho?

wonderfullife

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Why he ducking my boy GT tho?

I thought Jose Aldo was your boy? :pac:

Garry looked good tonight but Dillon was extremely clean with his transitions and used the guillotine attempts to sweep Jackson multiple times.

Polaris giving refunds for the quality of their stream. To be honest it was a joke. Couldn't maximise the screen and it was like trying to watch tv on a boat to Holyhead in choppy seas. I feel sick in the literal sense of the word sick. Stuck it out for Dillons match but putting in my refund email now haha.

I really hope/feel John has been drilling Conor with Dillon on some sweeps and offensive jiujitsu from his back in case Eddie gets him down (which is a possibility of course).

Here's the finish for anybody interested:

https://twitter.com/fredthechef/status/792453073998405632

CurryFlavoured

Swashbuckler wrote: »

That's gonna be what's really interesting. Does the power translate to 155....whatever about diaz who was a 190lbs beast. alvarez is no diaz. But can't wait to see if it translates

Diaz's weight is overdone, he wasn't that big. You've heard people saying he was 20-30 lbs bigger, no way imo. Bigger by 10 lbs max I reckon.

Anyway on Alvarez I often hear people saying he's chinny. I watched all of his UFC fights recently and I'd have to say he's actually got a good chin, and he's very tough. In the 4 fights (against 4 top guys) he's been dropped once by leg kicks vs Cerrone. He's taken big shots multiple times from all of those guys, all 4 fights were wars, albeit the last one was short but RDA caught him with some big ones. What his weakness is is striking defence, he walks forward and gets sucked into brawls. If Conor stops him it won't be because he has no chin, it'll be because he enters the pocket poorly and Conor cracks that trademark left (which would probably trouble any 155er early in a fight).

wonderfullife

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Anyway on Alvarez I often hear people saying he's chinny. I watched all of his UFC fights recently and I'd have to say he's actually got a good chin, and he's very tough. In the 4 fights (against 4 top guys) he's been dropped once by leg kicks vs Cerrone. He's taken big shots multiple times from all of those guys,

This is the key really. He gets hit clean and hard often in his fights.

As for his chin, i don't know if you've seen my post in this thread where i did a video compilation of every fight he was dropped? Most were pre-UFC. He seems to have a particular vulnerablity of being dropped right on the end of delivering his own punch. So he throws and gets caught on the counter and dropped. Repeatedly.

That's Conors world! Counter-punching in the pocket.

People often confuse chin with heart. A great chin, to my mind, is taking good shots and not getting dropped or wobbled often. A great heart, like Eddie and Bisping, is getting up after being dropped and recovering quickly.

Gamebred

I think if and when Conor drops Eddie he wont be saying get up this time Alvarez isnt in the same universe when it comes to guard playing as Nate Diaz,could see some heavy ground and pound from McGregor,


I remember an interview with Helwani ages ago Alvarez done and he was slating people who stand and trade with him said he'd wrestle him asap,hes gonna be shooting from the bell the casual fans will need booing about 30 seconds in.

MichaelScarn

Hadn't realised that JK was Danis coach/cornerman.

If McGregor is to take the year off hopefully he still keeps a training regime going. Good to grapple and practice with JK and Danis.

How would Danis fare in the UFC as of this moment?

EagererBeaver

MichaelScarn wrote: »

How would Danis fare in the UFC as of this moment?

Poorly.

Gamebred

MichaelScarn wrote: »

Hadn't realised that JK was Danis coach/cornerman.

If McGregor is to take the year off hopefully he still keeps a training regime going. Good to grapple and practice with JK and Danis.

How would Danis fare in the UFC as of this moment?

He would ko'd stiff in a local amatuer mma event at this moment never mind the ufc.

MichaelScarn

Just based on his striking experience? (Or rather lack of it)

CurryFlavoured

wonderfullife wrote: »

This is the key really. He gets hit clean and hard often in his fights.

As for his chin, i don't know if you've seen my post in this thread where i did a video compilation of every fight he was dropped? Most were pre-UFC. He seems to have a particular vulnerablity of being dropped right on the end of delivering his own punch. So he throws and gets caught on the counter and dropped. Repeatedly.

That's Conors world! Counter-punching in the pocket.

People often confuse chin with heart. A great chin, to my mind, is taking good shots and not getting dropped or wobbled often. A great heart, like Eddie and Bisping, is getting up after being dropped and recovering quickly.

Could you link or direct me to the page you posted that video?

I'm not saying he has an iron chin, but it's definitely decent. He can take a shot. He fought 4 top lightweights and was dropped once to legkicks, albeit his opponents don't have hands like Conor but he certainly took massive shots from RDA who has legit power. I've heard people criticise his chin and my main point was that his defence was the problem rather than his ability to take a shot, that's what I got from his UFC fights for sure.

twinytwo

MichaelScarn wrote: »

Hadn't realised that JK was Danis coach/cornerman.

If McGregor is to take the year off hopefully he still keeps a training regime going. Good to grapple and practice with JK and Danis.

How would Danis fare in the UFC as of this moment?

I assume if he wins he will give up the featherweight belt..

Id love to see him get a title defense is Dublin, he could prob fill the aviva on his tod.

But I reckon if he wins and takes the year out, he wont be back. Legacy and money made. A year is a long time to keep the fire burning.

wonderfullife

MichaelScarn wrote: »

Hadn't realised that JK was Danis coach/cornerman.

If McGregor is to take the year off hopefully he still keeps a training regime going. Good to grapple and practice with JK and Danis.

How would Danis fare in the UFC as of this moment?

His coach is Marcelo Garcia at his academy. But it's quite clear he's becoming an important part of SBG and a good friend to a lot of the guys in there. Hard not to like the guy. Always smiling and an unreal work ethic - to go with his dynamic jiujitsu.

Gamebred

Another 3 minute nothing video.