Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

ELM327

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yeah I know you have to be plugged in alright. I don't really follow what you're saying there in relation to the different menus. When you say charge timer do you mean the off peak hours or the departure time in the charging/climate menu?

I had thoughtthe check boxes for each day were to enable charging on a particular day so I set climate to on, depart time of 8am and only ticked tuesday and thursday. I had expected this to precondition the car every morning for 8 but only charge on tuesday and thursday morning but the check boxes next to the days seem to indicate the days you want the car preconditioned going by this morning as the car had charged but not preconditioned.

It's a hack
The car is not designed to run the climate timer without being plugged in, and any of the following a) waiting to charge on a timer, b) charging or c) completed charging
Therefore if you plug in but set the charge timer (off peak timer) to a time slot you know you won't be plugged in. Therefore it won't charge when you do plug in, but will still run the climate control on the climate timer (and use the mains power to do so, assuming you have a 32a supply - at 16a it uses some battery in addition to 16a from mains, the heater is 6kW)

Mickeroo

Ah right, so it's not officially able to do it, you just have to trick it. I'll have a faff with it later on and see. Thanks for that.

zg3409

zg3409 wrote: »

Not mine, but I said I would put it here for those looking:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-hyundai-ioniq-premium-electric/23103645

20,800 for 171 in Dublin. 21,000 miles so may be UK import.

Same car only 20,500 on Facebook today.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1398421950294098 The 300 price drop would easily pay for a black front bumper re-wrap, but not a full all over wrap to your favourite bright radioactive green

jusmeig

mouthful wrote: »

75 k km service today- battery 100%

Video of underside of car at this link https://app.quik.auto/j/f0ff7947

All looking great

Your service centre makes videos!? That's freaking awesome.

irishgrover

jusmeig wrote: »

Your service centre makes videos!? That's freaking awesome.

Hyundai Limerick are doing same

fricatus

irishgrover wrote: »

Hyundai Limerick are doing same

Yeah, Lyng’s In Kilkenny likewise.

mouthful

ELM327 wrote: »

I hate to break it to you but your battery is not at 100% after 75k km. Li Ion doesnt work like that.

They've either hidden excess top capacity and release it slowly to match initial deg, or the calculation is wrong.
You should have 2-7% deg by now

The only measurable element of the battery is the usable part- just like a Tesla, Hyundai do not allow the entirety of the battery to be measured- so my comment pertains only to the usable element which remains at 28kw hour.
In this instance we are both correct!

mouthful

jusmeig wrote: »

Your service centre makes videos!? That's freaking awesome.

Divers Hyundai in Letterkenny- ask for Daniel he is great

ELM327

mouthful wrote: »

The only measurable element of the battery is the usable part- just like a Tesla, Hyundai do not allow the entirety of the battery to be measured- so my comment pertains only to the usable element which remains at 28kw hour.
In this instance we are both correct!

Tesla do (indirectly) by visible tesla app.


You may still have 28kWh available, in mine at 50k km when I sold it it still had 28kWh available.


However that is achieved in my opinion by drip feeding a hidden reserve to mask degradation for the first owner. So it is not, and cannot, be 0 actual degradation. Pretty nefarious, and we all slated Nissan for their dodgy tricks

slave1

What about those Tesla 60 owners with a (unknown to them) 75 battery, their health status will be quite good for a significant period of time

ELM327

slave1 wrote: »

What about those Tesla 60 owners with a (unknown to them) 75 battery, their health status will be quite good for a significant period of time

I doubt it's unknown to any of them, considering the option to "unlock capacity" is listed in their Tesla account

slave1

Yeah you're right, I meant unknown at time of purchase, think it was after they were sold Tesla let them know the battery size and made the extra capacity purchasable, nice bonus, especially if you're happy with the 60 range, keep that battery 20%-80% and it could last many many years

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Yeah you're right, I meant unknown at time of purchase, think it was after they were sold Tesla let them know the battery size and made the extra capacity purchasable, nice bonus, especially if you're happy with the 60 range, keep that battery 20%-80% and it could last many many years

The battery in the other Model S will last about 20 years, so the battery in these 60 might last 40 years

krissovo

slave1 wrote: »

keep that battery 20%-80% and it could last many many years

This is no longer valid surely is it?

Even charging to 100% the batteries will outlast the car. Tesla has moved on from this leaf mentality.

slave1

Dunno

Here's a study I found

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303890624_Modeling_of_Lithium-Ion_Battery_Degradation_for_Cell_Life_Assessment

zg3409

krissovo wrote: »

slave1 wrote: »

keep that battery 20%-80% and it could last many many years

This is no longer valid surely is it?

Even charging to 100% the batteries will outlast the car. Tesla has moved on from this leaf mentality.

Elon Musk explains why you shouldn't charge your Tesla battery to 100%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/article/tesla-battery-charge-max.amp

Kona has setting to limit charging below 100%. Ioniq does not, but I try not to charge to 100% at weekends, by not plugging in and just boost charging the car on a timer on the wall charger.

unkel

krissovo wrote: »

This is no longer valid surely is it?

It's always been valid. In theory. If you keep a lithium battery between 25% and 75% and at a constant temp of 20C it will last the guts of 100 years with one cycle per day

In a car, with normal use including fast charging, fast acceleration and (mostly slow) charging to 100% (which is not really 100%), a lithium battery should easily outlast the car (say 15 years) and then be still good enough to be used as grid / home storage for another 15 years. So your point is valid that you don't need to worry about it. It will make no noticeable difference and your car won't last longer or is worth more if you treat the battery with kid gloves all its life.

mouthful

ELM327 wrote: »

Tesla do (indirectly) by visible tesla app.


You may still have 28kWh available, in mine at 50k km when I sold it it still had 28kWh available.


However that is achieved in my opinion by drip feeding a hidden reserve to mask degradation for the first owner. So it is not, and cannot, be 0 actual degradation. Pretty nefarious, and we all slated Nissan for their dodgy tricks

We will need to agree to disagree- I brought a car with a 28 kw hr battery- and guess what it still has a 28 kw hr battery-

That may not be enough for you, but it is for me. This is my final word on the matter

unkel

mouthful wrote: »

We will need to agree to disagree- I brought a car with a 28 kw hr battery- and guess what it still has a 28 kw hr battery-

Nope, you bought a car with a 31kWh battery. With 28kWh available. This is still available. To me as well, 2.5 years after I got Ioniq. The range is still the same.

But this is a bit of trickery, at some point our available capacity will be lower than 28kWh, but probably not until the car has close to 100k km on it. We will then notice the range going down.

Fiery mutant

I guess this depends on a lot of factors though. Mine has nearly 120,000km. On it now, still getting nearly the same range I got the day I bought it.

unkel

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I guess this depends on a lot of factors though. Mine has nearly 120,000km. On it now, still getting nearly the same range I got the day I bought it.

That's the relevant word.

On any lithium battery there will be degradation from day one. The degradation should be slow and gradual, leaving you with a capacity of somewhere from 80-90% after say 10 years / 200k km is my estimate

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Nope, you bought a car with a 31kWh battery. With 28kWh available. This is still available. To me as well, 2.5 years after I got Ioniq. The range is still the same.

But this is a bit of trickery, at some point our available capacity will be lower than 28kWh, but probably not until the car has close to 100k km on it. We will then notice the range going down.

Yes and how it should be

What Nissan are doing is like going to the shop, buying a pair of size 10 runners and they shrinking down a few sizes over time

All batteries should have no degradation to at min 160k km

mouthful

But this is a bit of trickery, at some point our available capacity will be lower than 28kWh, but probably not until the car has close to 100k km on it. We will then notice the range going down.[/quote]

Yawn

unkel

mouthful wrote: »

Yawn

It's your prerogative to remain uneducated. But don't keep posting falsehoods after it is explained to you how something works.

mouthful

unkel wrote: »

It's your prerogative to remain uneducated. But don't keep posting falsehoods after it is explained to you how something works.

You are a bit of a pain this evening! It is not very difficult to agree to disagree, if you try!

zg3409

Mike9832 wrote: »

All batteries should have no degradation to at min 160k km

Can we agree on a compromise, batteries should start out with 120% capacity, so they are 100% at 160k km?!

ELM327

mouthful wrote: »

We will need to agree to disagree- I brought a car with a 28 kw hr battery- and guess what it still has a 28 kw hr battery-

That may not be enough for you, but it is for me. This is my final word on the matter

Lol
If you're going to be pompous at least get the units right

unkel wrote: »

It's your prerogative to remain uneducated. But don't keep posting falsehoods after it is explained to you how something works.

+1

zg3409 wrote: »

Can we agree on a compromise, batteries should start out with 120% capacity, so they are 100% at 160k km?!

lmao that is exactly what is happing

liamog

Almost, the Ioniq is believed to start with 110%, it's not expected to start losing usable capacity till around 95,000km.

unkel

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2. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
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4. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
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6. thelikelylad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171C
7. woppers - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WX
8. don't be at yourself - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
9. Ballylad - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171CW
10. Coconut Joe - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172D
11. Macker - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 181D
12. Fermi - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172MO
13. Johnnyjohnjohns - Ioniq BEV - Aurora Silver - 172D
14. this.lad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172
15. CarefulNow! - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172D
16. Moreilly - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172KE
17. Neleven - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172 WW
18. DglFlyer -Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171 CE
19. jeremy_g - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171WW
20. miamee - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 172D
21. Cocolola - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172G
22. RonanFarrell - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172G
23. rgunning - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
24. Doc el brown - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172WW
25. Fitz213 - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
26. lafors - Ioniq BEV - - 181D
27. squishey - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181D
28. Ewan Hoosarmi - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 181?
29. peaceboi - Ioniq BEV - Blazing Yellow - 171D
30. irishgrover - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 181 G
31. fricatus - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181
32. zg3409 - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue 171 G (Dublin area)
33. BigAl81 - Ioniq BEV - White - 191-D
34. Mighty Munster - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black 191MH
35. OffalyMedic- Ioniq BEV- Phantom Black- 181L (Laois)
36. Casher - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 191WW
37. iggy - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 191D
38. Deegs - ioniq - polar white with groovy black roof wrap 191c
39. shanemkelly - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
40. PATMAC - Ioniq BEV - Aurora Silver - 191RN
41. Fishy1 - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181W
42. jjcahill78 - ioniq BEV - Fiery red - 191 CW
43. relgoog - Ioniq BEV - Iron Grey - 182D
44. Black_Knight - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171CE
45. beanian - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 191D
46. adunis - Ioniq BEV - White - 171L
47. this.lad - Ioniq BEV - 192
48. jusmeig - Ioniq BEV - 181D
49. cafard - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 192G
50. Petetheroadie - Ioniq BEV - Pearl Iron Grey - 191MH
51. Mouthful Ioniq BEV - Black - 172D
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jusmeig

jusmeig wrote: »

Your service centre makes videos!? That's freaking awesome.

I thought it was normal now. Volvo owner, get video and still of everything at service