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leinster vs Bath 14th jan 5:30 Rds/sky sports

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    #212
    molloyjh
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    Buer wrote: »
    One day, molloy, you'll have the wisdom that some of us have.

    Thanks Buer. I, eh, appreciate it????


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    #213
    Stheno
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    .ak wrote: »
    His weakness is his size. He was peeling himself off the deck most of the night, he'll be in bits tomorrow. He needs bulking to play regular at this level. He can't crash ball, for example, and at this level a centre needs to be as to ride the traffic, but he won't always get clean ball.

    I thought the same, he got a hit in the second half where it took him an age to get back up, he looked to be hurt but played on fine.


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    #214
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Stheno wrote: »
    I thought the same, he got a hit in the second half where it took him an age to get back up, he looked to be hurt but played on fine.

    Took a hit in an awkward position as he played a pass. Winded probably. Wouldnt make much of it.
    Didnt see much wrong with him at all. One knock on - 50% his fault, 50% passed too high to him.


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    #215
    errlloyd
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    Stheno wrote: »
    I thought the same, he got a hit in the second half where it took him an age to get back up, he looked to be hurt but played on fine.

    Getting hit after you pass always does that. Your way off balance and your arms are in the worst position for breaking the impact.


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    #216
    Buer
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    I can only assume the view at the game was very different to the one on television if people thought Madigan was excellent or anything close. He threw sompe lovely passes to bring people onto the ball and kicked his goals aside from a handy one he missed (but kicked one on the stroke of half time which was tricky).

    But his performance was error strewn. Threw a stinker of a pass in the opening phases of the match to the deck that put us under pressure to scramble back. Kicked one out on the full by a distance when we were in a good position. Lost a good try scoring chance with an intercepted pass. Messed up a restart which Bath saved his blushes on by foolishly playing it. Spilled a simple pass near the end in midfield. We got into their 22 on multiple occasions and he never looked like creating an opening for those outside. Our breaks generally came from quick hands out wide or individual moments from Te'o and Ringrose.

    He also made some odd choices. He tried running it multiple times himself including on turnover ball in our own 22 which killed a potential break out.

    Overall, he really wasn't at the races. It's unusual when an outhalf scores 18 points and didn't enter the conversation for MOTM.


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    #217
    LeinsterDub
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    .ak wrote: »
    His weakness is his size. He was peeling himself off the deck most of the night, he'll be in bits tomorrow. He needs bulking to play regular at this level. He can't crash ball, for example, and at this level a centre needs to be as to ride the traffic, but he won't always get clean ball.

    He's 90/92 kg how big exactly do you want him to be?


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    #218
    errlloyd
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    Ringrose is easily big enough to play. He only missed one tackle, and showed a few times an ability to wrap people and absolutely wrestle them down.

    He beat like a shed load of defenders.


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    #219
    irishbucsfan
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    Ringrose is bigger than both JJ and Eastmond. He's plenty big, just needs that conditioning that comes to pros over time.


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    #220
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Ringrose is easily big enough to play. He only missed one tackle, and showed a few times an ability to wrap people and absolutely wrestle them down.

    He beat like a shed load of defenders.

    And even hold them up and win a choke tackle maul turnover. That was impressive.


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    #221
    vienne86
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Ringrose is easily big enough to play. He only missed one tackle, and showed a few times an ability to wrap people and absolutely wrestle them down.

    He beat like a shed load of defenders.

    And he tackled really well IMO.


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    #222
    aimee1
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    vienne86 wrote: »
    And he tackled really well IMO.

    He will be grand once he doesn't dye his hair yellow like O'Driscoll once did


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    #223
    Crimsonforce
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    Madigan hits 100% of his kicks and people still complaining. Anybody who missed the connacht game this evening will know what a 100% kicker does, he wins them games...


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    #224
    irishbucsfan
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    Crimsonforce wrote: »
    Madigan hits 100% of his kicks and people still complaining. Anybody who missed the connacht game this evening will know what a 100% kicker does, he wins them games...

    He also plays out half.

    And he didn't kick 100%


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    #225
    Buer
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    Crimsonforce wrote: »
    Madigan hits 100% of his kicks and people still complaining. Anybody who missed the connacht game this evening will know what a 100% kicker does, he wins them games...

    Well, for a start, he didn't.


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    #226
    Crimsonforce
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    Buer wrote: »
    Well, for a start, he didn't.

    I thought he had, maybe I went to the toilet.


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    #227
    aimee1
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    Crimsonforce wrote: »
    Madigan hits 100% of his kicks and people still complaining. Anybody who missed the connacht game this evening will know what a 100% kicker does, he wins them games...

    He gets due credit for that to be fair. But his decision making and reading of situations is a weakness. And a big one. Sexton away to toulon made good decisions but his execution was terrible.

    The kick out on the full and poor restart and that awful pass in the first minute arent an issue really. Its was consistantly taking contact when he should pass and vice versa which is what lets him down.


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    #228
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Buer wrote: »
    Well, for a start, he didn't.

    88% though. Still world class. Keatley and Jackson cant even dream of Mads stats on that front.


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    #229
    jack01986
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    Delighted with that win. Anywhere to re watch the game on tv or internet?


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    #230
    irishbucsfan
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    88% though. Still world class. Keatley and Jackson cant even dream of Mads stats on that front.

    I don't think Sexton can match his stats either.


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    #231
    LeinsterDub
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    88% though. Still world class. Keatley and Jackson cant even dream of Mads stats on that front.

    It's not his kicking from the tee that's the issue


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    #232
    molloyjh
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    Buer wrote: »
    One day, molloy, you'll have the wisdom that some of us have.

    Thanks Buer. I, eh, appreciate it????


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    #233
    bamboozle
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    aimee1 wrote: »
    He gets due credit for that to be fair. But his decision making and reading of situations is a weakness. And a big one. Sexton away to toulon made good decisions but his execution was terrible.

    The kick out on the full and poor restart and that awful pass in the first minute arent an issue really. Its was consistantly taking contact when he should pass and vice versa which is what lets him down.

    To be honest, I don't expect anything different from madigan, excellent kicking from tee and mixed bag with all else riddled with poor decision making and frustrating DIY mentality.

    Great win. Bench used wisely, young guns had much needed exposure, we've a strong squad for rest of season. Winning pro 12 and top seeding for European cup next year and realistic.


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    #234
    pickarooney
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Getting hit after you pass always does that. Your way off balance and your arms are in the worst position for breaking the impact.

    Plus Matt Banahan is bigger than Julian Savea. No amount of time in the gym will redress that. I'd hate to see Ringrose lose pace or slipperiness by bulking up.


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    Interested Observer
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    Ringrose was absolutely fine in the physical stakes, he got emptied once after making a pass but that can happen to anyone as you're obviously not braced for the tackle. He was not "peeling himself off the floor" after every contact.


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    #236
    vienne86
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    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    It's not his kicking from the tee that's the issue

    Exactly. A 10 makes the decisions (unless you have a 9 who does that), and Madigan is not good at that. Sexton is brilliant at it.


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    #237
    Tim Robbins
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    Stheno wrote: »
    I thought the same, he got a hit in the second half where it took him an age to get back up, he looked to be hurt but played on fine.

    Yeah there's an element of he needs to get up even if he is hurt as it sends out a message of weakness. I remember Paul O'Connell was creamed by O'Driscoll in a Munster Leinster game once and he said it really hurt but he had to pretend it didn't.


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    #238
    Tox56
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    Ringrose was absolutely fine in the physical stakes, he got emptied once after making a pass but that can happen to anyone as you're obviously not braced for the tackle. He was not "peeling himself off the floor" after every contact.

    There were also several situations where his only choice really was to crash the ball up straight into a line of defenders and every time he held his own physically and even made some decent yards on a couple of occasions, physicality really isn't an issue. If anything is to be an issue for him it's inexperience in terms of the pace of the game, and he did make a dodgy read or two in defence but even in that regard he looks fine. The most impressive thing about him is that in every game he's played so far for Leinster it looks like he's been playing at this level for years


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    #239
    irishbucsfan
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    There were also several situations where his only choice really was to crash the ball up straight into a line of defenders and every time he held his own physically and even made some decent yards on a couple of occasions, physicality really isn't an issue. If anything is to be an issue for him it's inexperience in terms of the pace of the game, and he did make a dodgy read or two in defence but even in that regard he looks fine. The most impressive thing about him is that in every game he's played so far for Leinster it looks like he's been playing at this level for years

    To be fair to him in defense he's playing outside a recent league convert who is defending at 12 despite having been converted to a 12 so I'm sure tempo and spacing is quite hard to judge, and it really wasn't too much of a problem (mostly because of how useless Bath were I suppose).


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    #240
    errlloyd
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    Did anyone else get a little bit emotional when they heard Molly Malone. It felt a lot like the terrace was collectively sending a message of approval.


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    #241
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Did anyone else get a little bit emotional when they heard Molly Malone. It felt a lot like the terrace was collectively sending a message of approval.

    Was delighted also.

    Presume it was a rehearsal though, with the 6N a few weeks away (it is Ireland true rugby song), and hopeful that that frightful dirge about flooded fields in the west will be banished back the C&W ballrooms from whence it hails and not heard again in the hallowed environs of Lansdowne Road.


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