New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

eagle eye

I'm very happy with the Michel pick. I think he will work out really well. I wouldn't mind us getting Chubb too, they were some pairing for Georgia.

The tackle is something I'm confident will work out well. Since Bill arrived we have only taken two offensive line players in the first round and those were Logan Mankins and Nate Solder who both worked out pretty well. In the second round we have taken Matt Light, Seabass and the one poor one Adrian Klemm.

So I'm pretty confident that Isaiah Wynn will work out very well.

JaMarcus

Great picture of our 2 first rounders.

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bruschi wrote: »

an odd one no? Slipped all the way down, and then nothing. Michel looks the real deal alright, seems the Eagles were keen on him at 32.

I would have preferred to jump on Jackson I truly think he is the real deal and I think he is the best QB in the draft in the long run if he lands on the right team. But I do like our picks in the end Wynn have a huge upside and Scarneccia is the right man to mold him. Michel surprised me but if we get the production out of him we saw at Georgia he will kill

Hazys

Here's a draft reset for the #Patriots

Second round: No. 63
Fourth round: No. 105 and 117
Fifth round: No. 143
Sixth round: No. 198 and No. 210
Seventh round: No. 219

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Best tweet so far

https://twitter.com/smclaughlin9/status/990015570207805440

Realt Dearg Sec

What's the view among Pats fans on the trade with the bears last night? In pure draft value terms it looks to have been a good deal for the Bears (apparently this is true no matter where that second rounder is next year), but it seems to suit the longer term outlook of the Patriots as well in accruing a new pick. And both teams clearly gambling on the Bears success next season to some extent.

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Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

What's the view among Pats fans on the trade with the bears last night? In pure draft value terms it looks to have been a good deal for the Bears (apparently this is true no matter where that second rounder is next year), but it seems to suit the longer term outlook of the Patriots as well in accruing a new pick. And both teams clearly gambling on the Bears success next season to some extent.

Get so used to trading out of picks because Bill sees the same value on the board lower down. I would have like the Pats not to trade down anywhere and just for once take the value on the board but Bill has his own ideas ideas and who are we to argue etc etc. I wont say anymore because constructive criticism is not allowed against Bill by some :pac:

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And there we go trading down again

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One has to wonder what Bill plans to do with future QBs. Gamble on some unknown or not non rated QB like they did Brady. I would have lied to get at least Kyle Lauletta

Hazys

Lol pats trade their 4th for a lions 3rd next year. Good value trade tbh

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After that last trade this is how the PAts look going forward

2018
OL Isaiah Wynn
RB Sony Michel
CB Duke Dawson
5th round: 143
6th round: 178, 198, 210
7th round: 219

2019
1st
2nd 2nd (via Bears)
3rd (via Lions) 3rd (projected comp) 3rd (projected comp)
4th
5th
6th (projected comp)
7th 7th (projected comp)

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Hazys wrote: »

Lol pats trade their 4th for a lions 3rd next year. Good value trade tbh

Might as well just trade out of all the remaining picks and go home. On second though maybe grab a few unknowns in the 7th

Mr. Guappa

Hazys wrote: »

Lol pats trade their 4th for a lions 3rd next year. Good value trade tbh

Good value maybe, but the front 7 needs help now.

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Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Good value maybe, but the front 7 needs help now.

The draft according to Bill "I will get the same value in the 5th, 6th or 7th round as I would in the 4th"


Disclaimer I in no way know what Bill thinks

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One thing I will say though and people will hate me for it but what is the point of ALL these picks if we never use them? I wonder has anyone ever done the numbers and shown how many he just keeps moving on every year. All well and good getting extra picks in later rounds or next year but only if you get something for them.

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I hope we at least use those picks to trade for players in the off season

eagle eye

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One thing I will say though and people will hate me for it but what is the point of ALL these picks if we never use them? I wonder has anyone ever done the numbers and shown how many he just keeps moving on every year. All well and good getting extra picks in later rounds or next year but only if you get something for them.

We won the Superbowl a year ago, got beat in it in February. Obviously things are working.

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eagle eye wrote: »

We won the Superbowl a year ago, got beat in it in February. Obviously things are working.

No surprises you showed up with this argument

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I will bite though the 2016 season we didn't need a lot of players to stock up and make another run at a bowl. The draft two notable were Thuney and Valentine who we drafted where they were expected to be drafted and they both had an impact on the season. The FA we brought in Chris Long, Chris Hogan and Shea McClellin added to that to my point we used traded picks for Players in Michael Bennett, Kyle Van Noy and Eric Rowe

So as I said if we are going to keep pawning off Draft picks we need to make sure we fill the needs via FA or trades because we still have a lot of needs.

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As for Soupbowl 52? Dude our defense was an embarrassment and lets face it Tom Brady carried that defense for most of the playoffs.

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Bugs me that some Pats fans don't like to strive for perfection. No one questions Bill as one of if not the best coach of all time but why can't we just have a strong ass team for once where the defense is not a patch work of average Joes. Why not go out and get the best guys. Why not go and find the upper round value? If you are not going to do it in the draft at least go and get solid players by using those picks and doing trades. But how dare I have an opinion or ever criticism Bill etc etc etc

Mr. Guappa

Double dip at LB, then trade a 6th to KC for 2 7th rounders.

eagle eye

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Bugs me that some Pats fans don't like to strive for perfection. No one questions Bill as one of if not the best coach of all time but why can't we just have a strong ass team for once where the defense is not a patch work of average Joes. Why not go out and get the best guys. Why not go and find the upper round value? If you are not going to do it in the draft at least go and get solid players by using those picks and doing trades. But how dare I have an opinion or ever criticism Bill etc etc etc

Everybody said at the start of last season that we were stacked. Then we weren't so stacked because we lost Edelman, Hightower, McClellin and Cannon and others. Gilmore didn't live up to the billing early on, neither did Gillislee.

We still made the Superbowl, the fact that we had a bad day on D against a wonderful Eagles offense should not be taken as the be all and end all. We did well before that game.

I can understand your point but the system works better than at any other franchise over the last 18 years.

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Braxton Berrios interesting pick up fits the Amendola mould

eagle eye

We took Danny Etling in the 7th, he looked decent enough with LSU.

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eagle eye wrote: »

We took Danny Etling in the 7th, he looked decent enough with LSU.

Struggles under pressure but doesn't make bad decisions throwing picks. He has a lot of work ahead of him that is for sure.

From what I have seen and read of him seems like they played to his strengths rather than ask him to do what he can't do and it worked for LSU.

Who knows if he will turn out to be good enough to replace Brady.

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I see we picked up JC Jackson out of Mary Land. Guy had a lot of off field troubles in his past including being accused and acquitted of armed robbery. Slipped right out of the draft due to it. This guy has huge potential if he keeps his nose clean and does his job and learns.

Hazys

@MikeReiss

Patriots 2019 draft picks:

1st
2nd (via Bears)
2nd
3rd (via Lions)
3rd (projected comp)
3rd (projected comp)
4th
5th
6th (projected comp)
7th
7th (via Eagles)
7th (projected comp)

* Original 3rd to CLE in Danny Shelton deal
* Original 6th to DET in Johnson Bademosi deal

Serious haul but people are going to so mad when a ton of those picks getting traded into 2020. To be fair 12 draft picks aren't going to make the roster so they'll definitely need to push picks to 2020.

BizzyC

I'm actually very happy with that draft.
We have 2 starting OL (including Brown), a potentially great RB, CB2 sorted some added depth at LB all while collecting picks for next year...
Have to say, I love the pick of Bentley though.
He's an old-school, aggressive, downhill player - the best comparison to what I'd project him to give us was actually on a facebook comment - mini James Harrison.
Play him in the middle on running downs, or get him to set the edge.
For what he gives you, he's a top talent, he just doesn't have the complete package to be considered a top talent.

Hazys

Overall the off-season has been very good all things considered. No flash signings or picks but solid quality added to the roster.

ADDITIONS

DT Danny Shelton (trade)

DE Adrian Clayborn (signed)

CB Jason McCourty (trade)

WR Cordarrelle Patterson (trade)

RB Jeremy Hill (signed)

OT Matt Tobin (signed)

OT Trent Brown (trade)


RETURNING IR PLAYERS

LB Hightower

WR Edelman

RT Cannon

WR Mitchell

ST Ebner


DRAFT

Got a sh1t tons of high picks for the 2019 draft, got 1st round talent OL and RB, hopefully a decent CB in the 2nd, some LBs to bolster the depth chart and then a bunch of late round picks.


DEPARTURES

OT Nate Solder (Giants) - Big loss but no way we were paying him $15m a year, hopefully Wynn or Brown (or Cannon as LT) fill the void.

RB Dion Lewis (Titans) - I think we'll be fine at RB without Dion

CB Malcolm Butler (Titans) - Jason McCourty is a decent alternative

WR Danny Amendola (Dolphins) - I think we'll be fine at WR without Danny

WR Brandin Cooks (Saints) - Great player but a slightly odd fit for us. The impact of the loss is far out weighted by the return in picks.

OT Cameron Fleming (Cowboys)

CB Johnson Bademosi (Texans)

DT Ricky Jean-Francois (Lions)


At a very simplistic overview (and probably forgetting a few players who arrived or departed) but I think that the offense is going to be as good as it was last year with an asterisk on the LT position. I think the defense has been slightly improved on last year. I think we are setup for a promising new season despite all the doom and gloom on ESPN.



Oh and both Brady and Gronk didn't retire, what a shock that is!