New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

paulie21

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/24/reports-patriots-duron-harmon-arrested-for-trying-to-bring-marijuana-into-costa-rica/?sf185409123=1

Wonder will BB release him after this

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

paulie21 wrote: »

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/24/reports-patriots-duron-harmon-arrested-for-trying-to-bring-marijuana-into-costa-rica/?sf185409123=1

Wonder will BB release him after this

The stupidity of NFL players never ceases to amaze me. That is beyond idiotic.

Will he not get done for some sort of smuggling no? And if so potential prison time?

TOss Sweep

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

The stupidity of NFL players never ceases to amaze me. That is beyond idiotic.

Will he not get done for some sort of smuggling no? And if so potential prison time?

Doesn't seem like Costa Rica are that bothered other than to send him packing back to the US.

Dumb as a pile of rocks though.

BizzyC

TOss Sweep wrote: »

BizzyC wrote: »

Flowers re-signing is good.
Not sold on Waddle, based on his play he's far from a replacement for Solder.

He was solid at RT toward the end of the season. I think he has potential but he seems to over think his play at times and gets beat

Yeah, but you know the differences in skillset between LT & RT. If the plan is to keep him at RT, then fair enough, but he's definitely not an answer to the Solder hole....

TOss Sweep

BizzyC wrote: »

Yeah, but you know the differences in skillset between LT & RT. If the plan is to keep him at RT, then fair enough, but he's definitely not an answer to the Solder hole....

I never said he was a replacement for Solder. I think he did a good job for us at Guard and RT. I would be more inclined to move Cannon to LT and Put Waddle at RT.

I think Cannon could be worked on to soften the blow of having no solid experience out at LT. Either one of the guys with little or no experience in the Pros work out like Tobin/Croston/Garcia or We draft someone better.

Of those 3 I do believe Garcia has the best potential but with his medical condition and no NFL experience he has a steep learning curve. Im not condfident abouyt Tobin at all and Croston was good in college but I prefer Garcia. Our replacement for me should come from drafting a LT as high as possible or moving Cannon over.

We are in a bit of a pickle with regard filling that LT sport though.

StringerBell

Manziel meet with Pat's also, really not a sideshow we need or I expect.

ELM327

If he's going to land anywhere and be successful it's NE.
He'll have another probable 2-3 years behind Brady to learn how to play QB in the NFL. If you can't learn how to play the position, as a Heisman winner, behind the greatest QB ever, then you have no future in football.

bruschi

ELM327 wrote: »

If he's going to land anywhere and be successful it's NE.
He'll have another probable 2-3 years behind Brady to learn how to play QB in the NFL. If you can't learn how to play the position, as a Heisman winner, behind the greatest QB ever, then you have no future in football.

Tim Tebow says hello

And if Manziel does come in, then I would prefer if he left the back door similar to Tebow. I've little interest in Manziel and everything that comes with him. He is obviously a good player, but I dont think he is that good that his off field shortcomings are outweighed by good play.

TOss Sweep

bruschi wrote: »

Tim Tebow says hello

And if Manziel does come in, then I would prefer if he left the back door similar to Tebow. I've little interest in Manziel and everything that comes with him. He is obviously a good player, but I dont think he is that good that his off field shortcomings are outweighed by good play.

I agree with you. His nonsense off field will forever over shadow his abilities. We never got to see his true ability in the NFL and I am not sure we ever will.

TOss Sweep

Butler speaks out on SI TV Under the Cover

https://nesn.com/2018/03/malcolm-butler-believes-patriots-probably-would-have-won-super-bowl-if-hed-played/

Think the New England Patriots might have won Super Bowl LII if Malcolm Butler hadn’t been stapled to the sideline? Butler agrees. During an episode of “SI: Under the Cover” that chronicled Butler’s free agency, the now-former Patriots cornerback said he would have made a difference in New England’s 41-33 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

“I never missed a game,” Butler said. “Never missed practice or anything like that. Would we have won if I played? Probably. Maybe. I’m not sure. But I would say we were short about one or two plays, and I saw a couple plays out there I could have made.” After leading the Patriots in defensive snaps during the regular season and not leaving the field during the two preceding playoff games, Butler did not play a single snap on defense in Super Bowl LII. That proved to be his final game in a Patriots uniform, as he signed a five-year, $61 million with the Tennessee Titans one month later.

“There were times that I was on the sideline that I just wanted to go up and say to (Bill) Belichick or Matt Patricia and just say, ‘This is how we’re going to end this?’ ” said Butler, who became a Patriots legend with his game-sealing interception in Super Bowl XLIX. “I grew up in the Patriots system, and I’m a well-mannered guy. I respect my authority. I just couldn’t ask them for something they didn’t want to do. I just was doing my job. I was close to going up there and saying what I wanted to say to Matt or Belichick, but I just stayed in my lane and just did my job, man. I really wanted to go ask them, but I didn’t.”

“Under the Cover” offered a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at Butler during the six weeks between Super Bowl Sunday and the day he signed with the Titans. Some other highlights:

— Butler said he had hoped to finish his career with the Patriots, but that he did not want to play for a team that did not want him.

“I wanted to go out like Kobe Bryant,” he said. “Now, I might not be Kobe Bryant or never be Kobe Bryant, but I always told myself that I always wanted to finish my career on one team and just go out like that. But no one wants to be somewhere where they’re not wanted.”

— The documentary showed a phone call between Butler and running back Dion Lewis, whom the cornerback sought out for advice as both navigated through free agency.

“I’m in a similar boat right now,” said Lewis, who enjoyed a career year for the Patriots in 2017. “… I thought it would be a lot easier.” Both players wound up signing with Tennessee, where they’ll rejoin ex-Patriots teammate Logan Ryan. — According to Butler’s agent, Derek Simpson, the Titans, Chicago Bears, New Orleans Saints, Houston Texans and Detroit Lions showed the most interest in Butler. Chicago made a contract offer of three years, $30 million, and the Texans were interested in offering him a one-year deal. “That’s a trial contract,” said Butler, who played on a one-year, $3.91 million tender in 2017. The Titans initially offered Butler a five-year contract worth $11 million per year before returning with a five-year, $61 million offer that he gladly accepted.

“Most people know me for Super Bowl XLIX and, of course, Super Bowl LII,” Butler said. “What will I be known for next? A great Tennessee Titan player. … You’ll see a better Malcolm Butler on and off the field.”

Read more at: https://nesn.com/2018/03/malcolm-butler-believes-patriots-probably-would-have-won-super-bowl-if-hed-played/

AbusesToilets

Happy for him, I'll never agree with how he was treated.

StringerBell

Happy for him, happy with how he handled himself leaving and happy to draw a line under it at this point.

me89

Cooks traded to the rams. WTF

Utopia Parkway

Cooks and a 4th round pick to the Rams for their 23rd overall pick.

TOss Sweep

Nice to have their 1st round pick but our WR corp has taken a hit. Bill to combine both firsts and trade up in 1st?

me89

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Nice to have their 1st round pick but our WR corp has taken a hit. Bill to combine both firsts and trade up in 1st?

All in for OBJ??

Not going to happen,
maybe it's to take a QB

StringerBell

Not thrilled with that trade on the face of it, see how it's worked out. The WR Corp issues that Brady has to deal with on such a regular basis is unreal

TOss Sweep

me89 wrote: »

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Nice to have their 1st round pick but our WR corp has taken a hit. Bill to combine both firsts and trade up in 1st?

All in for OBJ??

Not going to happen,
maybe it's to take a QB

Who knows with Bill but you figure he either wants that future QB or feels he needs to move up for a Defensive need? Anybodys guess.

I said it in one of the other thread i believe if available the Pats will take Lamaar Jackson.

ScrubsfanChris

Is a first round QB what they are looking for here?

Utopia Parkway

Pats have 2 firsts and 2 second round picks now.

j8wk2feszrnpao

I'm hoping this is a move to help with the defense in the draft (it could be a Jones/Hightower type situation).
But it's clearly a move to get value as they weren't gonna pay Cooks big money.

Gronk, Edelman, Hogan, Britt, Dorsett, Mitchell, (Patterson); and they'll draft as well.
I think we'll be fine on offense, but the D has to improve.

And we can rule out Beckham as well

ELM327

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I'm hoping this is a move to help with the defense in the draft (it could be a Jones/Hightower type situation).
But it's clearly a move to get value as they weren't gonna pay Cooks big money.

Gronk, Edelman, Hogan, Britt, Dorsett, Mitchell, (Patterson); and they'll draft as well.
I think we'll be fine on offense, but the D has to improve.

And we can rule out Beckham as well

Reading this post and the list of receivers I can see why Cooks was traded away. He wasn't needed and we could get better value from the picks than from him.

Essentially cooks played 1 year for free as regards trade costs as we've moved up first rounder slot from the one we traded for him last year.

eagle eye

Left tackle is crucial, far more important than a WR is how I'm reading that trade.

StringerBell

Cooks will not be missed as much if JE11 comes back properly, but he will be missed and right now is certainly needed and provided something nobody else on offence could. Himself and Brady were really starting to be on the same page as the season went on which would only have gotten better this coming year. Him being knocked out of the SB was another of those big moments that swung the game imo.

AbusesToilets

Defensive players with the two firsts, maybe a flyer on Lauletta if he's still about in second?

TOss Sweep

eagle eye wrote: »

Left tackle is crucial, far more important than a WR is how I'm reading that trade.

I would agree I feel our biggest need is at LT. Then after that our Front 7 on Defense could do with help.

Hazys

People who are expecting us to package the picks for OBJ or a top 10 pick are going to be so mad when we trade down for 2nd and 3rd round picks next year lol.

My thoughts on the trade:

• From a purely business standpoint, this is a very very good deal. Basically we got Cooks for a year on a $1.5m cap hit and it "cost" us an improvement of draft picks. Especially when you consider Cooks was gone after this year.
• The only slight issue i had with our Cooks trade last year was that he only had two years on his contract but overall i loved the trade. I'm kinda amazed that the Rams gave us a very similar if not better value trade for him this year and he has only one year left on his contract.
• The offense will be fine without him. In the Super Bowl we put up the most passing yards in history when he went out and we still have the following WR depth chart: Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, Dorsett, Britt and Patterson
• I could see us trading up in the first but only to the mid teen's like that year we got Jones and Hightower. No way BB trades into the top 10, the cost outweighs the benefit. But i still think we'll more than likely trade down or convert this year's 49er's 2nd pick into a first next year.
• If one of the top QBs drops to the late 1st or early 2nd, i can see us pulling the trigger.
• Its been awhile since we had a sh1t load of picks in the draft, i'm looking forward to all the Pats will own all the picks in the draft jokes again after BB makes some trades.
• All this talk of BB being done in a year or so looks stupider and stupider. BB trading away a top starter in the league for picks that will be spent on unproven talent who may be good in 1 or 2 years goes against the logic of these journalists who follow simple train of thought when it comes to football*.

*I actually think this trade has no indication on BB's future. I think BB will follow the BB method to a tee until the day he retires. I could see him trading away a top player if the offer is too good because its the right thing to do and then retire the next day.

TOss Sweep

Hazys wrote: »

People who are expecting us to package the picks for OBJ or a top 10 pick are going to be so mad when we trade down for 2nd and 3rd round picks next year lol.

You know we will end up trading out of the 1st and end up having 50 picks in next years draft :pac::D

[*]The offense will be fine without him. In the Super Bowl we put up the most passing yards in history when he went out and we still have the following WR depth chart: Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, Dorsett, Britt and Patterson

Key to this is Mitchell being healthy and giving us what he showed he could do before injury. Also Patterson could be huge if figures out how to be a starting WR and not just a ST. I actually think Britt could push for a starting job. I feel he still has a lot to give.

[*]I could see us trading up in the first but only to the mid teen's like that year we got Jones and Hightower. No way BB trades into the top 10, the cost outweighs the benefit. But i still think we'll more than likely trade down or convert this year's 49er's 2nd pick into a first next year.

If we gave up both 23 and 31 that will only get us as far as pick 9 or 10 and then everything after 10 would be a first and a litter of picks in later rounds.

If one of the top QBs drops to the late 1st or early 2nd, i can see us pulling the trigger.

If we stay in 23 I can see Lamar Jackson fall that low.

Its been awhile since we had a sh1t load of picks in the draft, i'm looking forward to all the Pats will own all the picks in the draft jokes again after BB makes some trades.

Either going to be real exciting or real boring when he trades out of everything :pac:

All this talk of BB being done in a year or so looks stupider and stupider. BB trading away a top starter in the league for picks that will be spent on unproven talent who may be good in 1 or 2 years goes against the logic of these journalists who follow simple train of thought when it comes to football*.

*I actually think this trade has no indication on BB's future. I think BB will follow the BB method to a tee until the day he retires. I could see him trading away a top player if the offer is too good because its the right thing to do and then retire the next day.

I don't get the Bill future talks either. Some Pats fans and non Pats fans think this is the end of the world. But ye still no real indication from New England anything is wrong. Proves people are just plain dumb and would rather believe anything others feed them without any proof.

eagle eye

TOss Sweep wrote: »

I would agree I feel our biggest need is at LT. Then after that our Front 7 on Defense could do with help.

Fully agree on that.

Just on the LT thing. If you have a good left tackle you don't need a Cooks and there is no use having a Cooks if you don't have a good left tackle.

TOss Sweep

eagle eye wrote: »

Fully agree on that.

Just on the LT thing. If you have a good left tackle you don't need a Cooks and there is no use having a Cooks if you don't have a good left tackle.

Agreed. The draft has at least 3 LT that will be better than Solder and I feel the Pats would be nuts not to jump up in the draft to grab at least one of them. We give Brady that time on his blindside and he will find what he needs downfield.