Where would you go next...

JoeA3

Yeah, traffic in this whole sub-forum has fallen off a cliff. Disappointing, but I've seen it before a few times. It's very easy to pi$$ of regulars on an internet forum and boards.ie has achieved it.

Buddy Bubs

Ah, as well as the forum changes, maybe it's just because nobody is going anywhere next because there's no value out there. I'm still getting lowballed for my own in trade in against overpriced newer stuff. Not really in the market to be honest but boredom and curiosity means I make contact the odd time.

There's a good 6 grand between what I'm being offered and asking prices for very similar on donedeal (12-14k offered v 18- 20k asking prices). And the cars I would consider buying are inflated. I'll stick for the moment.

Andrew76

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871179#Comment_117871179

Even using scripts to make the site more user friendly, it's still too slow to navigate I find. I used to like coming into Buying & Selling and seeing some interesting find from carsfan2 or see new posts from the regulars in the The Mega Golf thread. Much quieter these days though. Not sure it will go back to pre-upgrade levels either. 😥

Must be losing my marbles but I could have sworn some of the RS3 examples on DD were approx 10-20k cheaper the last time I looked a month or so ago, they're now 60/70k. Nuts.

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872159#Comment_117872159

Amen

I was offered 12 for mine and dealers looking 18+ for same on forecourts.

Then no budge on what they're selling.

Must be getting buyers though. Everything I've being keeping on eye on has shifted.

Stuff in the north has gone up considerably. They're well aware which cars qualify for zero import duty.

We're all being pushed to a 0% APR iD3.

PCP and repeat till death

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872594#Comment_117872594

You wont get an ID3 or an ID4 on 0%, they are 4.9 and 5.9% because again, demand outstripping supply. These things come into equilibrium sooner or later anyway

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872698#Comment_117872698

As you say we'll get back to equilibrium at some stage.

In the interim no real point in chnaging

hooch-85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872159#Comment_117872159

I tentatively enquired about a 7.5 Golf R that's for sale currently. Don't have a mega itch to change or anything so was more kicking tyres digitally more than anything. Got offered decent money for my own but the cost to change was much too rich. It was a 172 with a nice spec and circa 40kms on it, asking the guts of 40k. To upgrade from my 2015 model was 14k. 10-12k I may have stretched but 14 was too much for me, especially as the car was not being offered with low rate PCP, so the traditional HP route.

moleyv

Any thoughts on the new 2er coupe?

I was looking at the M240i. If you spec up the rim size with the pro pack the price goes up 8/9 k. Bloody VRT

Sexual Chocolate

Picked this up yesterday from Bolands

ST3 TDCi 106k km

Drives fantastic

Need to get the wheels off and give the arches a good clean. Previous owner must of worked on building sites.

Was between this, a GTD and an F30.

Fully enough I test drove a 330d an hour before I drove this. 😅

carsfan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871179#Comment_117871179

I agree.

This thread, and the golf GTi thread were my go to ones but now since the revamp there's tumbleweed blowing through the motoring forums in general.

Car supply problems are really changing the market. I regularly browse through carzone, done deal etc and the lack of stock is amazing. Even driving past the garages it is obvious the forecourts are bare. I don't agree that things will return to the way they were before anytime soon either as others reckon.

Manufacturers just can't get product out and have said this is the way it will be for another couple of years. There is no way UK imports are coming back to be good value as they have exactly the same supply issues with new cars and their used values are really high now too. This with customs charges means that supply chain is vastly reduced too. Add in increased VRT on any decent combustion cars and it's a perfect storm. The only upside is that reasonably fresh cars won't fall off a cliff residually as had been the case recently.

Myself, I have almost 12k km on my 211 330e after almost six months. About two thirds of that mileage is on electric driving and I really enjoy owning the car. It is a huge step up in every department from the previous generation 330e.

I have test driven a Tesla model 3 and more recently took the new Hyundai Ionig 5 for a spin(very very impressive) and could see myself going electric next. I have a feeling this is the way we will all be eventually forced anyway.

However if I was in the market, this is a gorgeous car and colour combo in my view. This over a golf gti anyday for less money

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/fpa/202107265467346?journey=Search

carsfan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117874261#Comment_117874261

I like that. A decent interior at last in the 2 series and looks like a nicely proportioned exterior. At almost 50k you won’t see too many base models but I could see a few m240i’s being sold. It’s not much more than a golf R with a few options and is a proper coupe. I could also see a few 4 series coupe buyers going for one of these.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879564#Comment_117879564

I had that colour combo in an e60, almost identical and it was stunning. Very unusual. I'd go for it again no problem if I got the chance. That Alfa is lovely indeed

bazz26

I saw that Giulia alright before and it is a stunning colour combo but as fabulous as it is, I don't think I'd have the balls to sink 54k of my own money into an Alfa. That and the fact that there are only a handful of Alfa Romeo dealers scattered around the country now. Servicing and warranty work could be a right pain in the nuts if your not close to one.

carsfan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879978#Comment_117879978

Can’t argue with any of that. Definitely a heart over head purchase but cars like this are not going to be even an option soon more’s the pity.

I assume you’re holding the 430d a while longer? Any plans to move to anything else?

bazz26

Yeah will not be parting with it anytime soon, there is just no value out there in the current market.

carsfan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880343#Comment_117880343

I’ve started looking for a first car for eldest daughter who’s now driving and at the small starter car end of the market there really is no decent value.

even complete rubbish is up for mental money and still sells.

bazz26

Yeah, I enquired about a 211 128ti a few months back and the cost to change money they wanted was just ridiculous. The trade-in value they put on my car was something like 8k less that what they were asking for a similar car on their forecourt. I asked them where they were buying my type of car for the money they were offering me and all they wanted to talk about was if I was interested in the monthly finance figures. I don't have much use for a diesel car these days with working from home but I'm not going to pay silly money just for the sake of changing.

CIP4

I think even with the way things are you can be in the right place at the right time and get a good deal. I paid 5k less cost of change on my A4 than I was expecting to pay. I genuinely thought they had made a mistake with the figures literally up to the day I was collecting it. I was trading in my octavia which the miles were too high on for them to put on a forecourt they rang 5 traders who were all mad interested in the Octavia and they just gave me the price the highest trader offered which was essentially the same as what I had paid for the car in a Skoda garage 9 months earlier, if I had advertised the car privately on Done deal I wouldn't of got within 2k of the price I got for it.

Then the salesman just said since we are selling your car to the trade we treat that like you are buying straight so we can offer you 3K off the retail price on the Audi. The car wasn't even priced bad to begin with as it had a lot of extras and is low mileage. I also then got a service pack worth €700 thrown in. Even to this day the whole thing makes no sense.

To be fair its always been the other way for me so no harm it went the right for once. It does go to show though when looking for a car you need to try go to loads of dealers as it only takes one to really want to sell a car on the day you call.

carsfan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884841#Comment_117884841

I think that experience is the exception rather than the rule. Sounds sweet though.

on another subject, our original poster, Mark has got 20k subscribers on his YouTube channel which is a great achievement. Congratulations Mark.

your output is very professional and top quality. It’s well deserved.

you probably have so many cars to drive these days you don’t have to think about what you would buy next as you don’t have to. What have been your personal favourite cars though that you’ve driven this past while?

JoeA3

Well done Mark! (If you’re still here).

Well deserved, it’s obvious a lot of work is put into it.

digiman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886620#Comment_117886620

Had a similar experience in some ways when I was changing my wife's car last month. She had a 191 Tiguan R-line which we bought for €40,500 on 0% PCP 2.5 years ago, list price at the time was €44k and the new model of the same car is now around the €48k mark so they have gone up a decent bit. I advertised it on donedeal for €36.5k and was happy to drop a few k as the others couple of examples were priced around the same. The best price a dealer was offering me was €32k on a trade-in but no discount on the new car so I felt anything above €32k and I'll pocket whatever discount I can get of the new car by buying straight.

A trader rang me and we haggled on the price a bit and we done a deal at €33.7k. He then sold it on to a used car dealership for €X and the used car dealer advertised it for €37,950. That seemed a bit overpriced to me but I'm sure he was willing to drop €1-2k maybe to sell it, car was in mint condition though to be fair.

I had an ID4 on order with an excellent discount of €4k of a straight sale price, but delivery date kept getting pushed out so in the end we went for a KIA Sorento PHEV. It was listed as €57,500 inclusive of grant (€2.5k) but exclusive of delivery charges (about €2k). They were almost impossible to get, I rang about 15 KIA garages to see if anyone had ones in stock, only 3 dealers had them and the others said they were hoping for stock in October. Rang the 3 and told them I was buying one today to whoever would give me the best price, 2nd best price I got was €57,500 and best price €53,600 as the dealer gave me €4k scrap-page on no trade-in :). No idea how I done it but was expecting the whole time that he was going to tell me it was a mistake but there you go!!

Really happy with the 2.5 years of motoring in the Tiguan for €6,300. It was all a bit of a perfect storm but hopefully when trading the Kia in next time prices won't have plummeted and I'll get another couple of year of relatively cheap motoring.

digiman

On another note, I'm really looking forward to seeing some reviews of the i4 M50. Liking it more every time I see them.

On a pure fantasy note I was pricing up a Porsche Taycan 4S Cross Turismo. It's just comical how you basically pay extra for everything on a Porsche and nothing is packaged together. There are so many combinations of options it would be very simple to spec a car that nobody else in the world would have one the exact same. I think they are class, if money was no object it would be high up on my list of cars to buy.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887749#Comment_117887749

im with you on the taycan cross turismo but i agree the configurator is mind bogglinf there is literally a price for everything!

carsfan2

I have configured a good few Taycan cross turismo’s myself! Silver my current favourite colour to build.

probably one of my lotto winner cars. I saw a mamba green one while I was on holidays last month. Incredible road presence.

an Irish reviewer had one a few weeks back.

Porsche Taycan 4S Cross Turismo - 5 Ordinary Thing in an Extraordinary Electric Car - YouTube

I will be looking forward to having a look and spin in i4 when it comes to Ireland. I actually think the m50 is better value than the regular version and is the one to go for if at all.

Leonard Hofstadter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887749#Comment_117887749

As long as you're not expecting it to handle like an M performance car, let alone a real M car, it could be a good bet, the thing weighs over 2.3 tonnes, an M performance car (which is hardly a lightweight) is about 500 kilos less! And it only does 500 km (officially, so less in the real world) whereas obviously a petrol car will do 650-700 on a tank (even a straight six, if my 18 year old 325i can top 650 km on a tank on the motorway, then a brand new car with all the fuel saving tech surely will) and only requires 5 minutes of anyone's time re-fuelling, never mind the sheer joy of BMW six cylinder noise.

That said, if I had to get an EV, I'd get one, it is a BMW after all so it will be built out of actual materials rather than paper mache like a Telsa, and it has an interior that can be operated by normal people rather than tech heads. They could have made it better still if they'd given it the same interior as the ICE 4 Gran Coupé, that twin display is so cheap and tacky looking, and another disadvantage is that they got rid of the buttons for the climate control and radio.

Taycan does look well, I will admit that, but you'd still want the noise of a petrol powered Porsche. At least the Audi e-tron GT makes a fake V8 sort of noise.

carsfan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117897574#Comment_117897574

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the i4 M50 handled just as good as any m performance BMW. The low centre of gravity and the instant power and four wheel drive along with the very stiff chassis on the car will all help. While you can't hide all the weight the huge power will compensate. BMW engineers are pretty good at this and know what customers want.

Like it or not we are all heading to EV's lads. we are being pushed more and more and our combustion engine choices are reducing.

According to this VRT could be going up again on the high emitting cars

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/11190/Irish-electric-car-incentives-kept-for-now

I am seeing and meeting more friends and neighbours that have moved to electric and with climate change being so much in the news and so obviously happening now people are thinking that it is the right thing to do as well as being cheaper to run day to day.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117897574#Comment_117897574

If it has 500km range (I would be surprised) that's all anyone needs in reality, 95 percent of eV charging is in your own drive way I can't see I miss petrol stations. And it'll handle well I'm guessing, it won't be an e46 csl but then again what is.

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910282#Comment_117910282

I gave up watching completecar.ie as he is gone very bias towards everything green and electric now. I suppose he has to follow the popularity and youtube is all about viewership and subscriber numbers. Personally I won't be one of those quick to wave a white flag of surrender just yet. I'll eventually have to buy one when other alternatives are gone but I'll do that when I feel the time is right for me rather than when the likes of Eamon Ryan thinks it's right. Remember Eamon and his equals thought it was right to buy low co2 diesels back in 2008 also and we know how that turned out. Lets face it he hates the motorist and all he and his equals know how to do is tax people into submission - a one policy, one dimension party. You can be sure he and his crusties are thinking of ways of how to tax EV owners once a certain percentage of the national fleet is converted over so that the revenue stream from the motorist continues to flow. The money from those EV grants has to come from somewhere too.

And I don't really want to start another EV verses ICE debate (god knows there are enough of them already here) but people going out buying new EVs thinking they are helping reverse Climate Change is nothing other that being green washed by big business imo. Unless these people are scrapping their old ICE cars for an EV then it makes little or no difference when their old ICE car is still being driven around by it's new owner while a new EV just adds another car to the roads by those who can afford it. The reality is that we are a throwaway society where we just consume and consume because we want nice/new things when there is plenty of life left in the old things but we don't want them anymore. The same goes with tvs, mobile phones, etc. We throw away perfectly good appliances because we are convinced the latest one is better or manufacturers make it uneconomical to repair them. The focus should be to keep what we already have going longer rather than wasting resources and energy on producing new stuff at the level we are doing. However the world's economies are dependant on us continuing to consume and spending money, we all have a job either directly or indirectly because of that need to consume. Not so easy to change or fix that but EVs are not some silver bullet to fix the world either. We are beyond little steps.

carsfan2

Great post Bazz. I agree that the greens are clueless.

Eamonn ryan will help destroy the car market here with his policies.

unrelated, I have been in a few dealers around limerick looking at the lower end of the market and the lack of stock is frightening. Some forecourts are very bare.

very hard to make a living on commission when you have no product to sell.

bazz26

Yeah, Lyons on the Tipperary Road always had a large lot full of used cars, looks very bare these days. Even Frank Hogan who usually had hundreds of used cars is down to 182 according to carsireland.ie.