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New Star Trek TV show - Star Trek Discovery

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    #272
    _Kaiser_
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    CatInABox wrote: »
    Looks fairly generic to me.

    Yep, as I said over in the other thread, it's more JJ Trek rather than Star Trek. Complete with soft rock track in the trailer FFS.

    I'm not saying it had to be 60s production styles but this looks like yet another bland, hyper/chaotic action-filled mess with almost nothing tying it to Star Trek, never mind the era or timeline it's supposedly set in. Reading comments online and some are comparing it more to BSG and that's probably a fair comparison.. but BSG isn't Trek either.

    Maybe it's just a bad trailer intended for the millennial generation or those who like the JJ films. Maybe the actual show will be better than wall-to-wall explosions and "edgy" characters - I'm thinking this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd23slMhWQU


    In short, there's nothing in that trailer that gets me hyped for this show. The Orville looks far better at the moment, and if true, that's going to be somewhat embarrassing!


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    #273
    rossie1977
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    Trailer looks very Battlestar Galactica inspired to me. If that's your bar it's going to be extremely hard to reach .


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    #274
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,297 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Bryan Fuller Originally Wanted ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ to Be an Anthology Series
    Fuller sat with CBS executives to deliver his pitch. It wasn’t just for a ‘Trek’ series but for multiple serialized anthology shows that would begin with the ‘Discovery’ prequel, journey through the eras of Captain James T. Kirk and Captain Jean-Luc Picard, and then go beyond to a time in ‘Trek’ that’s never been seen before.

    “The original pitch was to do for science fiction what ‘American Horror Story’ had done for horror,” Fuller says. “It would platform a universe of ‘Trek’ shows.”

    CBS countered with the plan of creating a single serialized show and then seeing how it performed. It was a fair compromise, yet demonstrated the first conflict of vision between a powerful company and an inventive writer that would eventually lead to a dramatic falling-out.

    http://collider.com/star-trek-discovery-original-vision-bryan-fuller/


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    #275
    pixelburp
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    I'd read this before, wayyyy back when Discovery was still an unknown quantity; I wasn't on-board if I'm honest, anthology series just aren't my thing & it'd have been a little annoying to be constantly bouncing around without ever getting to know the characters or locales. Aside from that, it'd have been more expensive too, in a genre already renowned for being on the pricier side. New sets, costumes, FX, make-up ever season ....


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    #276
    Sad Professor
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    I remain optimistic about this show. It looks different and different is what Trek needs to be. I don't want anymore TNG lite, or DS9 lite for that matter either. I stopped being a fan of Trek on TV around the time Farscape started. It made me realise how tired and boring Trek had become.


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    #277
    Agent Coulson
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    Yes around that time mid to late 90's Babylon 5, Farscape and even Stargate all showed how space could be done differently and better than the way Star Trek was doing it.


    Hopefully they will take a risk with it but it seems to be a bit of a mess behind the scenes and may take a while to find it's legs then you have to ask will it be given that time in this era of tv.


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    #278
    AMKC
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    Ms


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    I remain optimistic about this show. It looks different and different is what Trek needs to be. I don't want anymore TNG lite, or DS9 lite for that matter either. I stopped being a fan of Trek on TV around the time Farscape started. It made me realise how tired and boring Trek had become.

    Star Trek tired and boring never noticed. I would have easily watched another 2 season's of TNG and DS9. Never got into Farscape. Seen a few episodes but not a show that I think "must watch all of that"

    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Yes around that time mid to late 90's Babylon 5, Farscape and even Stargate all showed how space could be done differently and better than the way Star Trek was doing it.



    Hopefully they will take a risk with it but it seems to be a bit of a mess behind the scenes and may take a while to find it's legs then you have to ask will it be given that time in this era of tv.

    I like Babylon 5 and it has a great story but its not as optimistic or as futuristic as Star Trek is. I don,t regard Stargate as better than Star Trek but it was an entertaining show especially Jack o Neill who was always very funny in it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #279
    silverharp
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    some behind the scenes gossip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcLLfzzKWA

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #280
    _Kaiser_
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    Star Trek Continues released it's latest episode yesterday - if you haven't seen this series yet, I really recommend checking it out.. it's basically season 4 of TOS.

    Just watched the latest episode this morning (guest starring John DeLancie (Q) and Anne Lockhart (Sheba from the original Battlestar Galactica)) and really enjoyed it.

    As I said in the dedicated thread, it also shows that "classic" Trek storytelling and even design can still be effective in 2017 - also demonstrated with Axanar

    I think there's some credence to the idea floated in the Midnight Edge video above that the new Meyer project may be a backup plan should Discovery tank.. we knew about the "anthology" idea when Discovery was first being talked about, but this has resurfaced again in the last few days. Could be nothing, or could indeed be laying the groundwork to accept the Meyer show as a Season 2 instead.


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    #281
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Finally, some clips have surfaced; nothing major & nothing spoiler'y, but good to finally get some tangible sense of the show in action:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bzFXKXFIE


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCHHGfk9Pl4


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    #282
    silverharp
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    off twitter

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    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #283
    Agent Coulson
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    Never a good sign.


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    #284
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Never a good sign.

    As mentioned in the Star Trek forum, it's not necessarily a bad sign: no press screenings might often be a red flag with films, usually pointing towards a movie the studio knows is garbage, but not every TV series gets screeners sent to critics in the first place - plus there are suggestions & rumours CBS are trying to spoiler-proof the show, and protect the supposed twists & turns in the plot. I could well believe that, given the nature of today's TV landscape.


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    #285
    silverharp
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    As mentioned in the Star Trek forum, it's not necessarily a bad sign: no press screenings might often be a red flag with films, usually pointing towards a movie the studio knows is garbage, but not every TV series gets screeners sent to critics in the first place - plus there are suggestions & rumours CBS are trying to spoiler-proof the show, and protect the supposed twists & turns in the plot. I could well believe that, given the nature of today's TV landscape.

    makes sense, its just that given there is a bit of a smell over this show its an easy assertion to make.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #286
    AMKC
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    Ms


    I think its only right and great that no critics will get to see it before anyone else. Gives them something to loo forward to us well now that they don,t have to review it and that must be a rare think being a movie/TV critic these days.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #287
    Slydice
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    #288
    Agent Coulson
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    CBS had a screening and are letting those who saw tweet about it and it's all positive the first two episodes were shown at the screening.


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    #289
    silverharp
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    I like the Tweet
    Good Ideas Vs Bad‏ @BadIdeasVs · 2m2 minutes ago


     More

    Virtue signaling fail
    For ****'s sake, Sisko was the goddamned messiah who punched god in the face!


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    #290
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It feels a bit redundant there are two threads on Boards for this; IMO we should merge them so the conversation can be a bit more unified; aside from myself I have noticed other users posting the same comments on both threads :rolleyes: :D


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    #291
    silverharp
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    It feels a bit redundant there are two threads on Boards for this; IMO we should merge them so the conversation can be a bit more unified; aside from myself I have noticed other users posting the same comments on both threads :rolleyes: :D

    can 1 thread be seen in 2 forums? , I just wouldn't be as arsed trying to find threads in the sifi section

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #292
    Mr E
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    It's a difficult one - maybe move this thread to Star Trek with a permanent redirect? Anyone searching here will be able to find the thread there. What do you think?


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    #293
    pixelburp
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    Mr E wrote: »
    It's a difficult one - maybe move this thread to Star Trek with a permanent redirect? Anyone searching here will be able to find the thread there. What do you think?

    The specialist forums can be too out of the way, but seems like the Star Trek forum has greater 'ownership' over the discussion thread :) Like you said, a permanent redirect would at least keep the footprint here too.

    But that's just me, dunno what others think. Just feels a bit daft having two of the same conversations going on at the same time - especially once the show starts airing; it's bound to cause debate :)


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    #294
    Mr E
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    Yeah cool. I'll do nothing for now and see if anybody else has any feedback.
    If there are no major objections during the day today, I'll move it tonight.


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    #295
    _Kaiser_
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    Mr E wrote: »
    Yeah cool. I'll do nothing for now and see if anybody else has any feedback.
    If there are no major objections during the day today, I'll move it tonight.

    Permanent redirect sounds good (does that update when the actual thread is updated though?)

    On the latest tweets, I'm taking them with a grain of salt. First, it was an invited event, second the feedback is 100% positive from what I've seen.

    Maybe it really is THAT good, but for me the jury is out until I see it on Monday morning.


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    #296
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,668 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Merging might be messy. Maybe just lock the TV thread with a link to the Star Trek forum and Discovery thread.

    Once the first episode airs we’ll be using separate episode threads in the ST forum anyway, so even the Discovery thread in ST may need to be locked eventually to avoid overlap.

    We could also consider moving the Star Trek forum to the Television sub-category or just adding a link to it.


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    #297
    Agent Coulson
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    Sure since it's on Netflix now as well maybe the online forum ;)


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    #298
    Sad Professor
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    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Sure since it's on Netflix now as well maybe the online forum ;)

    Oh god yeah, I'm surprised there isn't a thread going there already.


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    #299
    silverharp
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    once you can follow the link that's fine, I only have a middling interest so I don't want to specifically follow the thread

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #300
    _Kaiser_
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Merging might be messy. Maybe just lock the TV thread with a link to the Star Trek forum and Discovery thread.

    Once the first episode airs we’ll be using separate episode threads in the ST forum anyway, so even the Discovery thread in ST may need to be locked eventually to avoid overlap.

    We could also consider moving the Star Trek forum to the Television sub-category or just adding a link to it.

    Wasn't it previously under TV before the Big (to be completed) Menu Reshuffle? Not a bad idea though to add at least a link.
    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Sure since it's on Netflix now as well maybe the online forum ;)

    I still don't know why that was done. TV is TV regardless of the medium these days.


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    #301
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,988 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Sure since it's on Netflix now as well maybe the online forum ;)
    It also has appeal across many facets of sci-fi, so Sci-Fi & Fantasy forum as well :)

    Hopefully the early reviews aren't just uber-fans, the likes of who praised films such as "Batman vs Superman" before a wider audience got to see it.


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