Sony Bill Williams

thebaz

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

A bully enjoys picking on people I don't think the security guard took any pleasure out of doing his job yesterday.

The security guard was just doing his job.

not buying that - just doing his job nonsense - the kid was 14 , not 15

I'll leave it to Sony Bill himself to explain :-

“I was walking around doing a lap of honour with the boys and a young fella came running out and he got smoked by the security guard, like full-on tackled him. It was pretty sad, he’s just a young fella obviously caught up in the moment,” said Williams,

CatFromHue

lostatsea wrote: »

The security man obviously had a right to stop the boy. However, his over-reaction by tackling him from behind was the problem. He just needed to usher him back and nobody would have paid any attention.

A similar situation occurred in an American classroom last week where a school security guard turned a table upside down to eject a female student who would not leave a classroom. The optics didn't look great. Just like seeing a bearded man rugby tackle a boy in front of a sellout crowd.

In each case they did not act professionally. This is all about people in power doing their job properly.

they are completely different situations!

Bridge93

lostatsea wrote: »

The security man obviously had a right to stop the boy. However, his over-reaction by tackling him from behind was the problem. He just needed to usher him back and nobody would have paid any attention.

A similar situation occurred in an American classroom last week where a school security guard turned a table upside down to eject a female student who would not leave a classroom. The optics didn't look great. Just like seeing a bearded man rugby tackle a boy in front of a sellout crowd.

In each case they did not act professionally. This is all about people in power doing their job properly.

They aren't similar at all

efb

So he was 14. I wouldn't want a security guard rugby tackling my 14 year old nephew to the ground

seachto7

efb wrote:

So he was 14. I wouldn't want a security guard rugby tackling my 14 year old nephew to the ground

Well the 14 year old shouldn't run on to the pitch then????

Dirty Dingus McGee

thebaz wrote: »

not buying that - just doing his job nonsense - the kid was 14 , not 15

I'll leave it to Sony Bill himself to explain :-

“I was walking around doing a lap of honour with the boys and a young fella came running out and he got smoked by the security guard, like full-on tackled him. It was pretty sad, he’s just a young fella obviously caught up in the moment,” said Williams,

How was the security guard supposed to know he was harmless?

lostatsea

Ok, forget about my classroom analogy.

The security guard made a fool of himself rugby tackling a boy in front of the All Blacks. He should simply have pulled him back and escorted him off the field.

The All Blacks would probably have ignored it and Sonny would still have his medal.

Hagz

lostatsea wrote: »

The security man obviously had a right to stop the boy. However, his over-reaction by tackling him from behind was the problem. He just needed to usher him back and nobody would have paid any attention.

All the while the anonymous person makes contact with one of the rugby stars. Good job security man.

thebaz wrote: »

what , show solidarity with a heavy handed security guard who man handles a small over enthusiastic 15 year old paying in customer - how proud you must be of the security mans bravery - wonder would he be so brave dealing with same aged football hooligans at the Den - i hate ****ing bullies

>What does the size of the 15 year old have to do with it? You can be 4'2 and still carry something dangerous or do something harmful.

>What does the fact that the 15 year old paid in have to do with it? Nobody pays to invade the pitch. Buying a ticket doesn't earn you the right to invade the pitch or be dealt with in a more gentle manner.

> Why would I be proud of the security man and where did I say he was brave? I'm no more proud of the security man than I would be of a taxi driver taking someone to their destination. What he did wasn't brave, but it wasn't out of order either.

> What the security guard did isn't bullying. In fact, an example of bullying would be the aggression and insults being thrown at him by certain sections of the public for doing his job.

TimeToShine

He's a good player, but his reputation precedes him. His fame is not proportional to his ability at all - he is more of a poster boy for the sport and there is nothing wrong with that. A very nice gesture that worked out for him as he got a replacement.

Personally, I much prefer the style of the greats who keep their head down and get on with business ala Halfpenny, Dusatoir etc. Far superior players who are there to play the game.

lostatsea

Hagz wrote: »

All the while the anonymous person makes contact with one of the rugby stars. Good job security man.



>What does the size of the 15 year old have to do with it? You can be 4'2 and still carry something dangerous or do something harmful.

>What does the fact that the 15 year old paid in have to do with it? Nobody pays to invade the pitch. Buying a ticket doesn't earn you the right to invade the pitch or be dealt with in a more gentle manner.

> Why would I be proud of the security man and where did I say he was brave? I'm no more proud of the security man than I would be of a taxi driver taking someone to their destination. What he did wasn't brave, but it wasn't out of order either.

> What the security guard did isn't bullying. In fact, an example of bullying would be the aggression and insults being thrown at him by certain sections of the public for doing his job.

Yes, I could see the All Blacks quaking in their boots when the boy appeared!

Anyone in a position of power needs to make a judgement call everyday in response to a particular situation and that response needs to be proportionate to the seriousness of the situation.

When the toughest men in the world are aghast at what happened I think you need to accept that the wrong judgement call was made.

Hagz

lostatsea wrote: »

Yes, I could see the All Blacks quaking in their boots when the boy appeared!

Anyone in a position of power needs to make a judgement call everyday in response to a particular situation and that response needs to be proportionate to the seriousness of the situation.

When the toughest men in the world are aghast at what happened I think you need to accept that the wrong judgement call was made.

You're ignoring the fact that the there wasn't enough time for the security guard, or even the players to assess whether the person was a threat before the person made contact with the players.
You're relying on the benefit of hindsight. You're being irrational.
As for those toughest men in the world that are aghast, whoever they may be, they're being irrational too.

seachto7

lostatsea wrote:

When the toughest men in the world are aghast at what happened I think you need to accept that the wrong judgement call was made.

And what if something did happen? Hindsight is a great thing .

lostatsea

Hagz wrote: »

You're ignoring the fact that the there wasn't enough time for the security guard, or even the players to assess whether the person was a threat before the person made contact with the players.
You're relying on the benefit of hindsight. You're being irrational.
As for those toughest men in the world that are aghast, whoever they may be, they're being irrational too.

Well I can't bring my argument any further. I'll just have to graciously accept defeat.

MaxPower89

I wouldnt be a huge Rugby head but I think SBW is class, I don't see many others making the plays he does, going into contact with 2/3 players, creating a big gap and offloading out the back door. The way he is able to stay in control himself in the tackle and stay so aware is brilliant to watch.

He may have a profile that is bigger than his ability but so what, overall Rugby players are poorly paid for what they do imo, especially when you compare with other top sports stars.

He is box office and good for the sport imo.

thebaz

Hagz wrote: »

>What does the size of the 15 year old have to do with it? You can be 4'2 and still carry something dangerous or do something harmful.

>What does the fact that the 15 year old paid in have to do with it? Nobody pays to invade the pitch. Buying a ticket doesn't earn you the right to invade the pitch or be dealt with in a more gentle manner.

> Why would I be proud of the security man and where did I say he was brave? I'm no more proud of the security man than I would be of a taxi driver taking someone to their destination. What he did wasn't brave, but it wasn't out of order either.

> What the security guard did isn't bullying. In fact, an example of bullying would be the aggression and insults being thrown at him by certain sections of the public for doing his job.

bullys like to pick on smaller people -
read what Sony Bill said , he was ther unlike you :-

“I was walking around doing a lap of honour with the boys and a young fella came running out and he got smoked by the security guard, like full-on tackled him. It was pretty sad, he’s just a young fella obviously caught up in the moment,” said Williams,


I'm sure he felt seriously threatened by this smallish 14 year old boy - sad sympathy is so misplaced here - anyway Sony Bill has the attitude I respect

Hagz

thebaz wrote: »

bullys like to pick on smaller people -
read what Sony Bill said , he was ther unlike you :-

Except there's clear video footage of the whole incident :pac:. In reality I saw more than SBW did....

ThisRegard

matt-dublin wrote: »

A 12/13/14/15 year old kid in Syria running at you could be a suicide bomber, why doesn't it apply in the UK.

A whole aquarium of sharks, in orbit, has been jumped.

Dirty Dingus McGee

MaxPower89 wrote: »

I wouldnt be a huge Rugby head but I think SBW is class, I don't see many others making the plays he does, going into contact with 2/3 players, creating a big gap and offloading out the back door. The way he is able to stay in control himself in the tackle and stay so aware is brilliant to watch.

He may have a profile that is bigger than his ability but so what, overall Rugby players are poorly paid for what they do imo, especially when you compare with other top sports stars.

He is box office and good for the sport imo.

No their not.They're paid in accordance with the revenue they can generate, if they prove they can help the sport generate more money they'll get paid more.

efb

seachto7 wrote: »

Well the 14 year old shouldn't run on to the pitch then????

proportionate response

This is why they are security and not police or army officers i suppose...

awec

Think this has run it's course and has little to do with rugby now.