Sony Bill Williams

efb

Stheno wrote: »

It was a 14/15 year old headed straight for a player/coach, who was tackled fairly softly.

They then allowed him to interact with said player/coach

The players did that - security were admonished by Sonny Bill

All the matches I've been too security are great at yelling at kids, not so much the adults

efb

Bridge93 wrote: »

What would you have security do to someone running straight at the players? The fact it was a teenager is irrelevant

Asses the situation, overawed young fan, 12, not much of a threat

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Some one running at players should expect to get tackled.

If he'd managed to get to the players unnoticed by security they'd have been hauled through hot coals for it by the press.

efb

iano.p wrote: »

Sbw he is always a top bloke. Met he a years ago after one of his boxing matches. Stayed in the same hotel He signed my bulldogs Jersey talked with 3 of us for ten mins.

I am beyond jealous

Stheno

efb wrote: »

The players did that - security were admonished by Sonny Bill

All the matches I've been too security are great at yelling at kids, not so much the adults

All the matches I've been at security are good at dealing with the crowd full stop.

Don't forget they may have been ultra aware SBW is one of very few players who are Muslim, and the kid was headed straight for him.

Bridge93

efb wrote: »

Asses the situation, overawed young fan, 12, not much of a threat

They had about 2/3 seconds to pick up a 15 year old running straight at the New Zealand team.

efb

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Some one running at players should expect to get tackled.

If he'd managed to get to the players unnoticed by security they'd have been hauled through hot coals for it by the press.

A child... Really???

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

efb wrote: »

Asses the situation, overawed young fan, 12, not much of a threat

Did you watch the video though? He came out of nowhere at quite a speed. Security guy obviously reacted on instinct. Unfortunate it turned out to be a child but hardly his fault.

efb

Bridge93 wrote: »

They had about 2/3 seconds to pick up a 15 year old running straight at the New Zealand team.

He was 15??? Tiny for 15!

efb

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Did you watch the video though? He came out of nowhere at quite a speed. Security guy obviously reacted on instinct. Unfortunate it turned out to be a child but hardly his fault.

Yes. Security aren't known for their grey matter I suppose

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

efb wrote: »

A child... Really???

Anyone.

Security are there to stop people doing things like that.

Hagz

thebaz wrote: »

it was heavy handed - end of - and I'm sure , or hope he is embarrassed by his actions - Sony Bill showed what class is

You didn't address any of the points I raised or expand at all on your own opinion. In fact you condensed your previous point and attached -end of- to it. If you have no interest in explaining your opinion or responding to mine then it would be easier to just say so, instead of -end of-.

efb

Stheno wrote: »

All the matches I've been at security are good at dealing with the crowd full stop.

Don't forget they may have been ultra aware SBW is one of very few players who are Muslim, and the kid was headed straight for him.

America!!! This is beyond ridiculous

efb

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Anyone.

Security are there to stop people doing things like that.

You don't have permission to level a kid

Dozen Wicked Words

efb wrote: »

A child... Really???

To quote Rodney Trotter (I think): He was a big lad for 13.





Not really.

Stheno

efb wrote: »

America!!! This is beyond ridiculous

No actually it's not, the UK are currently on a very high security alert in relation to terrorism, this would have been a very high radar event for them full stop imo.

Kid just got the wrong end of it. As for not looking 14, he's nearly shoulder height to SBW

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

efb wrote: »

You don't have permission to level a kid

No, but as I said it was a split second reaction. If that hadn't been a kid, and it does happen, nobody would have thought anything of it.

efb

https://twitter.com/hearsaysa/status/660589747807481856


Doesn't look they security let him talk to players,Sonny took over. Did he stop being a treat when Sonny told yer man to back off???

efb

Stheno wrote: »

No actually it's not, the UK are currently on a very high security alert in relation to terrorism, this would have been a very high radar event for them full stop imo.

Kid just got the wrong end of it. As for not looking 14, he's nearly shoulder height to SBW

People would have been prevented from bringing anything dangerous into the ground.

What was he going to do overpower Sonny Bill??? Lolz

Lucy8080

I reckon this kid will look back in years to come and realise that the security guard played his part in what will be a life long memory.

Feel a little sorry for the guy, he must be getting some ribbing from his friends. SBW is a hero, the kid has a world cup winners medal and a story to tell all his life ( I was that kid). None of which would have happened without the security guy.

Nice gesture all the same from SBW.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

efb wrote: »

People would have been prevented from bringing anything dangerous into the ground.

What was he going to do overpower Sonny Bill??? Lolz

Ryan Lochte once got seriously injured by a fan trying to hug him. Missed a few months of swimming because of it. You can never be too careful :eek:

Stheno

efb wrote: »

People would have been prevented from bringing anything dangerous into the ground.

What was he going to do overpower Sonny Bill??? Lolz

Were they searching everyone coming in?

efb

Stheno wrote: »

Were they searching everyone coming in?

They bag searched people.

Bridge93

efb wrote: »

People would have been prevented from bringing anything dangerous into the ground.

What was he going to do overpower Sonny Bill??? Lolz

People aren't allowed to bring drugs or weapons into countries but they find a way. They are security, their job is to keep people off the pitch which they were trying to do. What if the kid had thumped Sonny Bill or had a knife hidden?

efb

The Security guy is a jobsworth

efb

Bridge93 wrote: »

People aren't allowed to bring drugs or weapons into countries but they find a way. They are security, their job is to keep people off the pitch which they were trying to do. What if the kid had thumped Sonny Bill or had a knife hidden?

If he thumped Sonny Bill? He'd have gone "owe" and smiled at the lad.

Knives? How would get a knife past high alert UK security officials???

Its funny seeing him jumping out of the way scared. He has been running straight into enormous men all night and a child scares him :pac:

efb

Deleted User wrote: »

Its funny seeing him jumping out of the way scared. He has been running straight into enormous men all night and a child scares him :pac:

Quick reflexes

Bridge93

efb wrote: »

If he thumped Sonny Bill? He'd have gone "owe" and smiled at the lad.

Knives? How would get a knife past high alert UK security officials???

I'm not talking about Sonny Bill's reaction in talking about the media/New Zealand etc that security let someone through because they're a kid.

They don't conduct full body searches. If you want to get a weapon in it is not overly difficult.

If it had been a 25 year old man running straight at him how would this be viewed?

matt-dublin

Efb, I'm not aware of any bag searches at the stadiums.

Also were they patting people down and doing body cavity searches?

A 12/13/14/15 year old kid in Syria running at you could be a suicide bomber, why doesn't it apply in the UK.

Security acted with instinct, wasn't heavy handed and only pushed the kid over. It could have been worse but the kid shouldn't have been there.

SBW more than made up for the security guards actions

efb

matt-dublin wrote: »

Efb, I'm not aware of any bag searches at the stadiums.

Also were they patting people down and doing body cavity searches?

A 12/13/14/15 year old kid in Syria running at you could be a suicide bomber, why doesn't it apply in the UK.

Security acted with instinct, wasn't heavy handed and only pushed the kid over. It could have been worse but the kid shouldn't have been there.

SBW more than made up for the security guards actions

they bag searched me... I've a beard, must have given off a terrorist vibe....

You think a suicide bomber gaining access to the stadium would be even feasible???

He was heavy handed.

efb

Bridge93 wrote: »

I'm not talking about Sonny Bill's reaction in talking about the media/New Zealand etc that security let someone through because they're a kid.

They don't conduct full body searches. If you want to get a weapon in it is not overly difficult.

If it had been a 25 year old man running straight at him how would this be viewed?

If it was a 76 year old woman... it wasn't.

thebaz

Hagz wrote: »

You didn't address any of the points I raised or expand at all on your own opinion. In fact you condensed your previous point and attached -end of- to it. If you have no interest in explaining your opinion or responding to mine then it would be easier to just say so, instead of -end of-.

what , show solidarity with a heavy handed security guard who man handles a small over enthusiastic 15 year old paying in customer - how proud you must be of the security mans bravery - wonder would he be so brave dealing with same aged football hooligans at the Den - i hate ****ing bullies

CatFromHue

it's not bravery or bullying, it's his job. he's not to allow anyone on the pitch

thebaz

CatFromHue wrote: »

it's not bravery or bullying, it's his job. he's not to allow anyone on the pitch

yes it is - what if the kid was 9 - a bully is bully - and Sony Bill saw right through his ****

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

CatFromHue wrote: »

it's not bravery or bullying, it's his job. he's not to allow anyone on the pitch

Exactly.

You're not supposed to go on the pitch. Security is there to stop people going on the pitch. You go on the pitch you expect to get stopped by security. End of.

It's not like they pulled a gun and shot the kid.

Dirty Dingus McGee

thebaz wrote: »

yes it is - what if the kid was 9 - a bully is bully - and Sony Bill saw right through his ****

A bully enjoys picking on people I don't think the security guard took any pleasure out of doing his job yesterday.

The security guard was just doing his job.

efb

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

A bully enjoys picking on people I don't think the security guard took any pleasure out of doing his job yesterday.

The security guard was just doing his job.

A jobsworth

lostatsea

The security man obviously had a right to stop the boy. However, his over-reaction by tackling him from behind was the problem. He just needed to usher him back and nobody would have paid any attention.

A similar situation occurred in an American classroom last week where a school security guard turned a table upside down to eject a female student who would not leave a classroom. The optics didn't look great. Just like seeing a bearded man rugby tackle a boy in front of a sellout crowd.

In each case they did not act professionally. This is all about people in power doing their job properly.

seachto7

Bit out of order to be calling the security guy a bully.
Someone ran on the pitch and he reacted quickly.
He tackled him. Big deal. Nobody got hurt.
His job was obviously to keep people from getting near the players.
I'd say some of you would let kids run riot and wreck your house instead of discipline!

thebaz

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

A bully enjoys picking on people I don't think the security guard took any pleasure out of doing his job yesterday.

The security guard was just doing his job.

not buying that - just doing his job nonsense - the kid was 14 , not 15

I'll leave it to Sony Bill himself to explain :-

“I was walking around doing a lap of honour with the boys and a young fella came running out and he got smoked by the security guard, like full-on tackled him. It was pretty sad, he’s just a young fella obviously caught up in the moment,” said Williams,

CatFromHue

lostatsea wrote: »

The security man obviously had a right to stop the boy. However, his over-reaction by tackling him from behind was the problem. He just needed to usher him back and nobody would have paid any attention.

A similar situation occurred in an American classroom last week where a school security guard turned a table upside down to eject a female student who would not leave a classroom. The optics didn't look great. Just like seeing a bearded man rugby tackle a boy in front of a sellout crowd.

In each case they did not act professionally. This is all about people in power doing their job properly.

they are completely different situations!

Bridge93

lostatsea wrote: »

The security man obviously had a right to stop the boy. However, his over-reaction by tackling him from behind was the problem. He just needed to usher him back and nobody would have paid any attention.

A similar situation occurred in an American classroom last week where a school security guard turned a table upside down to eject a female student who would not leave a classroom. The optics didn't look great. Just like seeing a bearded man rugby tackle a boy in front of a sellout crowd.

In each case they did not act professionally. This is all about people in power doing their job properly.

They aren't similar at all

efb

So he was 14. I wouldn't want a security guard rugby tackling my 14 year old nephew to the ground

seachto7

efb wrote:

So he was 14. I wouldn't want a security guard rugby tackling my 14 year old nephew to the ground

Well the 14 year old shouldn't run on to the pitch then????

Dirty Dingus McGee

thebaz wrote: »

not buying that - just doing his job nonsense - the kid was 14 , not 15

I'll leave it to Sony Bill himself to explain :-

“I was walking around doing a lap of honour with the boys and a young fella came running out and he got smoked by the security guard, like full-on tackled him. It was pretty sad, he’s just a young fella obviously caught up in the moment,” said Williams,

How was the security guard supposed to know he was harmless?

lostatsea

Ok, forget about my classroom analogy.

The security guard made a fool of himself rugby tackling a boy in front of the All Blacks. He should simply have pulled him back and escorted him off the field.

The All Blacks would probably have ignored it and Sonny would still have his medal.

Hagz

lostatsea wrote: »

The security man obviously had a right to stop the boy. However, his over-reaction by tackling him from behind was the problem. He just needed to usher him back and nobody would have paid any attention.

All the while the anonymous person makes contact with one of the rugby stars. Good job security man.

thebaz wrote: »

what , show solidarity with a heavy handed security guard who man handles a small over enthusiastic 15 year old paying in customer - how proud you must be of the security mans bravery - wonder would he be so brave dealing with same aged football hooligans at the Den - i hate ****ing bullies

>What does the size of the 15 year old have to do with it? You can be 4'2 and still carry something dangerous or do something harmful.

>What does the fact that the 15 year old paid in have to do with it? Nobody pays to invade the pitch. Buying a ticket doesn't earn you the right to invade the pitch or be dealt with in a more gentle manner.

> Why would I be proud of the security man and where did I say he was brave? I'm no more proud of the security man than I would be of a taxi driver taking someone to their destination. What he did wasn't brave, but it wasn't out of order either.

> What the security guard did isn't bullying. In fact, an example of bullying would be the aggression and insults being thrown at him by certain sections of the public for doing his job.

TimeToShine

He's a good player, but his reputation precedes him. His fame is not proportional to his ability at all - he is more of a poster boy for the sport and there is nothing wrong with that. A very nice gesture that worked out for him as he got a replacement.

Personally, I much prefer the style of the greats who keep their head down and get on with business ala Halfpenny, Dusatoir etc. Far superior players who are there to play the game.

lostatsea

Hagz wrote: »

All the while the anonymous person makes contact with one of the rugby stars. Good job security man.



>What does the size of the 15 year old have to do with it? You can be 4'2 and still carry something dangerous or do something harmful.

>What does the fact that the 15 year old paid in have to do with it? Nobody pays to invade the pitch. Buying a ticket doesn't earn you the right to invade the pitch or be dealt with in a more gentle manner.

> Why would I be proud of the security man and where did I say he was brave? I'm no more proud of the security man than I would be of a taxi driver taking someone to their destination. What he did wasn't brave, but it wasn't out of order either.

> What the security guard did isn't bullying. In fact, an example of bullying would be the aggression and insults being thrown at him by certain sections of the public for doing his job.

Yes, I could see the All Blacks quaking in their boots when the boy appeared!

Anyone in a position of power needs to make a judgement call everyday in response to a particular situation and that response needs to be proportionate to the seriousness of the situation.

When the toughest men in the world are aghast at what happened I think you need to accept that the wrong judgement call was made.