Residents object to temporary halting site

brooke 2

Wolf Hanssen wrote: »

I dont think its fair to label the residents bigots and leave it at that.

They are familiar with the family, their habits and behaviours. They have knowledge and experience of them.

Its not opposition to some random traveller site being erected.

They have legitimate concerns over the functionality of the area and of course who it is bring catered for.

A troublesome family is a troublesome family, traveller or settled. Its as simple as that.

They also have not had a positive experience with the council in the past when bringing their complaints about the previous site to them.

end of the road

brooke 2 wrote: »

They also have not had a positive experience with the council in the past when bringing their complaints about the previous site to them.

maybe it might have been because of their attitude to the council when raising the issue?

brooke 2 wrote: »

Was just thinking the same thing. It took the death of Veronica Guerin for the government
to set up CAB; there seems to be no political will to deal with the criminal elements among the Traveller community.

cab will be involved with any criminal if its cost effective to do so. sometimes its to resource intensive even for them or revenue to do anything in relation to monitary issues. we have plenty of laws that can deal just as easily with the traveler community as the rest of us. it just needs enough staff and funding to enforce.

Sheep Lover

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Fact, crime in Limerick dissipated unbelievably once the Traveller gangs were put away for a long time. Can't think of their names now, but I think folk will know who I mean.

That took a long time, and lot of public money in court cases and the like. The behaviour of some of them outside the courts aswell was outrageous.

But they are incarcerated now. Good. I hope they like their new halting site.

Fact, stating something as fact doesn't necessarily make it so.

Fact.

CatFromHue

Well I think getting rid of the Dundon's was a pretty good thing for Limerick.

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Sheep Lover wrote: »

Fact, stating something as fact doesn't necessarily make it so.

Fact.

Doesn't necessarily make it not a fact either.

Fact.

Tigger

brooke 2 wrote: »

What a nightmare! I wonder how things are in that estate in Ballymote now?

Ghosts are still there

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Tigger wrote: »

Ghosts are still there

You can pick up a once €185k valued house for less than €20k.

If I had bought a house at that price and to find it now pretty much worthless I'd be distraught.

Tigger

Avatar MIA wrote: »

You can pick up a once €185k valued house for less than €20k.

If I had bought a house at that price and to find it now pretty much worthless I'd be distraught.

I'd default on a mortgage no way that should be allowed and as it is there is no fairness so ...

Eugene Norman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My knees are are still shaking!

I'm just interested why the laws as discussed in the OP by the mod don't apply to your pathological anti-Dublin posts.

The report said immigrants affect house prices.

Very very very obviously other matters do too, you mention supply and demand, I could say the size of the house, someone else might say compliance with planning, another might say proximity to services and so on. The report does not say the presence of immigrants is the sole factor, merely that they adversely affect house prices.

Now I think that's a price well worth paying, obviously again bigotry is not to point out the facts but to draw adverse conclusions from them. I'm not the one arguing that house prices should trump other considerations.

Look. You've produced one report on the (off topic) discussion about immigration and house prices. In specific circumstances. But the primary driver of house prices and more so rent is supply vs demand. If supply is lower than demand prices go up. One telegraph article doesn't prove anything else.

I imagine you are concerned about your house price, the vast majority of virtue signallers would sell their granny for soap. However it's hard to prove anything about anyone in particular on the Internet.

What is clear however that, in general, the more people are prepared to pay vast amounts of money to stay away from solid middle income and working classes areas to gain the status of living in higher status upper middle class or rich postcodes, the more they are angered by the same workers they exclude not wanting to live beside anti social elements ( travellers or settled.). A huge amount of Irish elite discourse is on this topic. Bad workers. Racist Ireland.

Yet nobody suggests moving halting sites to rich areas, after all these places are better resources already v

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Tigger wrote: »

I'd default on a mortgage no way that should be allowed and as it is there is no fairness so ...

It's effectively a "failed state" in microcosm.

anewme

brooke 2 wrote: »

What a nightmare! I wonder how things are in that estate in Ballymote now?

Re the Ballymoate thing.

God love those poor residents.

Someone mentioned that the traveller community need to stand up and take responsibility for their actions.

No where is that more evident than in that news report.

When asked why the settled residents moved out, instead of mentioning anti social behaviour, burglaries, harassment, threats, damage to property, the traveller spokesperson said they moved out because of GHOSTS IN THE GRAVEYARD.

brooke 2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Fact, crime in Limerick dissipated unbelievably once the Traveller gangs were put away for a long time. Can't think of their names now, but I think folk will know who I mean.

That took a long time, and lot of public money in court cases and the like. The behaviour of some of them outside the courts aswell was outrageous.

But they are incarcerated now. Good. I hope they like their new halting site.

The McCarthy-Dundons. And it took the murder of that young Collins man before those criminals were put away.

end of the road

Tigger wrote: »

I'd default on a mortgage no way that should be allowed and as it is there is no fairness so ...

what shouldn't be allowed? you would have chosen to get a mortage from a bank, of whatever amount. one of the risks of that is property values will go down. no its not fair. but unless we bann property values from going down under any circumstances, then why should 1 section be protected from having the value of their property going down while those who's property value went down due to economic factors are told tough?

Tigger

end of the road wrote: »

what shouldn't be allowed? you would have chosen to get a mortage from a bank, of whatever amount. one of the risks of that is property values will go down. no its not fair. but unless we bann property values from going down under any circumstances, then why should 1 section be protected from having the value of their property going down while those who's property value went down due to economic factors are told tough?

Nothing to do with the economic factors it's the crime and fear that have ruined the area
Did you read the links provided

Here is a sample

Broken furniture, smashed abandoned cars litter the once clean streets. Squatters, believed to be from the Traveller community, have now taken over some of the deserted houses.

Some residents have video proof of their cars being vandalised by the troublesome families but are afraid to go public for fear of retaliation.

One resident whose car windscreen was smashed because he complained about the noise reported the matter to the gardaí who failed to respond as they "were busy on a matter in Riverstown."

The victim also claimed he was threatened with a 'bullet in the head.' This matter was also reported to the Gardaí and the resident told SligoToday this morning that the Director of Public Prosecutions declined to take the matter to court as "the incident happened on private property."

In one case up to eight adults were recorded on a security firms video surveillance cameras as they entered the garden of a terrified family and banged on the widows while shouting obscenities.

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end of the road wrote: »

what shouldn't be allowed? you would have chosen to get a mortage from a bank, of whatever amount. one of the risks of that is property values will go down. no its not fair. but unless we bann property values from going down under any circumstances, then why should 1 section be protected from having the value of their property going down while those who's property value went down due to economic factors are told tough?

This is a very unusual case (though not unique) where the state has utterly failed the residents.

anewme

end of the road wrote: »

what shouldn't be allowed? you would have chosen to get a mortage from a bank, of whatever amount. one of the risks of that is property values will go down. no its not fair. but unless we bann property values from going down under any circumstances, then why should 1 section be protected from having the value of their property going down while those who's property value went down due to economic factors are told tough?

Economic factor my backside. How can you be so blind.

Those poor poor residents , imagine living with that fear and intimidation.

Those residents have been failed there's no doubt about it.

walshyn93

The state's first duty is to protect its citizens and their property. The state is failing in that duty to the residents and they know it. It's not about property values it's about personal safety.

end of the road

the only failing of the state here is making sure enough resources exist to enforce the law. the state hasn't failed these residents any more then it has failed the rest of us by not making sure we have enough law enforcement.

walshyn93

end of the road wrote: »

the only failing of the state here is making sure enough resources exist to enforce the law. the state hasn't failed these residents any more then it has failed the rest of us by not making sure we have enough law enforcement.

There are not enough resources in the state to police a group of people for whom it is socially acceptable to break the law. Short of becoming a veritable police state Ireland is unable to prevent travellers committing crimes against their neighbours.

anewme

end of the road wrote: »

the only failing of the state here is making sure enough resources exist to enforce the law. the state hasn't failed these residents any more then it has failed the rest of us by not making sure we have enough law enforcement.

The state are trying to make scapegoats of the residents and absolve themselves.

feel strongly about this- letters going Monday- firstly to support residents, and also let the politicians know I see through their cop out.

end of the road

walshyn93 wrote: »

There are not enough resources in the state to police a group of people for whom it is socially acceptable to break the law. Short of becoming a veritable police state Ireland is unable to prevent travellers committing crimes against their neighbours.

well you will never stop crime no matter what but not making sure enough resources exist to at least have a strong force is stupidity.

anewme wrote: »

The state are trying to make scapegoats of the residents and absolve themselves.

feel strongly about this- letters going Monday- firstly to support residents, and also let the politicians know I see through their cop out.

the state are doing nothing of the sort.

walshyn93

end of the road wrote: »

well you will never stop crime no matter what but not making sure enough resources exist to at least have a strong force is stupidity.

If you want to talk about the lack of garda resources I suggest you start another thread. That is a macro issue. This thread is concerned with an individual situation which wouldn't be materially rectified by increasing overtime or employing more gardai. Typical response is to throw money at the public service rather than ac ept realities.

JustTheOne

Vincent Browne is the perfect example of the do gooder clueless upper class moron with regards this subject.

Roaring and mouthing last week about cuts to traveller funding and how the residents are a disgrace.

Then drives home to his nice mansion in dalkey or wherever totally isolated from any real life experience that people like here have experienced.

I'm sick of this high horse attitude.

flutered

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Fact, crime in Limerick dissipated unbelievably once the Traveller gangs were put away for a long time. Can't think of their names now, but I think folk will know who I mean.

That took a long time, and lot of public money in court cases and the like. The behaviour of some of them outside the courts aswell was outrageous.

But they are incarcerated now. Good. I hope they like their new halting site.

in limerick there is a thing called regeneration, they took the crims and the trasvellers from the city into expensivly purchased housing, by doing so the spread the crime around the county, then made massive garda cutbacks

An Claidheamh

flutered wrote: »

in limerick there is a thing called regeneration, they took the crims and the trasvellers from the city into expensivly purchased housing, by doing so the spread the crime around the county, then made massive garda cutbacks

"Regeneration" = spend millions on toys.

Refuse to spend thousands on proper policing/imprisoning - such a cop-out.

flutered

end of the road wrote: »

maybe it might have been because of their attitude to the council when raising the issue?


cab will be involved with any criminal if its cost effective to do so. sometimes its to resource intensive even for them or revenue to do anything in relation to monitary issues. we have plenty of laws that can deal just as easily with the traveler community as the rest of us. it just needs enough staff and funding to enforce.

quite wrong with your last sentence, the require the will power, which is non exestent

flutered

CatFromHue wrote: »

Well I think getting rid of the Dundon's was a pretty good thing for Limerick.

there replacements are like mushrooms

BattleCorp

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Welcome to the world of planning, here in rural Ireland people have had slatted units and forestry put up all around them with no notification for years.

I've yet to see antisocial forestry so I don't think equating forrestry with a halting site right in this case.

An Claidheamh

JustTheOne wrote: »

Vincent Browne is the perfect example of the do gooder clueless upper class moron with regards this subject.

Roaring and mouthing last week about cuts to traveller funding and how the residents are a disgrace.

Then drives home to his nice mansion in dalkey or wherever totally isolated from any real life experience that people like here have experienced.

I'm sick of this high horse attitude.

I'm actually surprised by the lack of sound bites on this issue from the Colm O'Gorman Amnesty Ireland and Progressive Democrats or that incompetent Mountjoy warden John Lonergan or any of the millionaire Labour socialists.


And then I realised .......... that they're most likely TERRIFIED of being asked to provide THEIR mansion and lands (literally in O'Gorman's and Browne's case), in order to house their trailers.

Seriously, there has barely been a peep.

the_syco

ted1 wrote: »

This has got so much publicity the council can't keep the site open for more than 8 months.

And who'll be able to move them? The police? If the police are going to raid a traveller site, they have to do at 6am back up by the ERU.