Residents object to temporary halting site

seachto7 · 17-10-2015 01:24PM

Bebopclown wrote:

And this family are very troublesome.

This is the important info that is being left out in the media? (I've not been following it though)

Sheep Lover · 17-10-2015 01:25PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Not really. I'd bet the farm those responding to the beach pic with outpourings of support would hum and haw if a Syrian family actually showed to their door. It was something distant and "exotic" and emotional. And will have a time limit, mark my words. Meh fast forward AH to after Xmas and it'll never be mentioned again, beyond a "remember that picture. OMG Loike". On the other hand the actual hard fact of a group of people with a less than stellar reputation actually showing up to live nearby? Big difference.

I'm not seeing a difference, you must of seen the state of trains/buses/camps after the immigrants left them. Yet some were offering these people a bed in their house. It's the typical full of sh1t poster that frequents here to act the good samartian. They are probably still roaring about Kony 2012 on Facebook.

Kenny Logins · 17-10-2015 01:35PM

Wolf Hanssen wrote: »

Id love to know the Council's rationale behind the decision.

Who rolled out the map of Council owned land and had the brain wave to pick that location? Did they throw a dart from 20ft away and picked where ever it landed? Idiots.

They need a serious hand slap for creating this mess.

They chose a greenfield site with no existing infrastructure. A site that presently has insufficent access for what is currently there, never mind adding to it.

They have alternative sites available. Some of which were functioning as traveller sites in the past. Surely these ready to go sites would be a better choice.

Its like they wanted to hide them away down a narrow cul de sac and forget about them for another 8 years.

F ucking disgrace!

The old site was a very expensive (was it really €6m!?) site acquired for a Glenamuck link distributor road but instead had become a permanent halting site with its own racetrack. I'm sure the council are delighted to take advantage of this tragic situation to move them off and into a tiny and unsuitable "temporary" site, while bypassing any planning or consultation process, and while we all squabble amongst ourselves this seems to get overlooked. The council should be the focus of our attention IMHO.

end of the road · 17-10-2015 02:04PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's easier to preach tolerance when you are not the one affected.

yeah. it couldn't be because we would expect tolerance from other groups so should therefore give it back. when travelers commit crime, its blown out of all proportion. we have laws in place. they are for all. they are enforced to the best of the ability by the gards under the current situation of under funding and under staffing. travelers commiting crime is the same as anyone else doing it. if we used all the nonsense used against travelers toards blacks what do you think would happen?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is not a single poster here who would be happy to have travellers move in beside them.

have you any evidence for that claim? i love that people can speak for all and tell a person what that person thinks. really some miracle workers TBH.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The reasons don't need to be explained.

they do. the "reasons" wouldn't be tolerated rightly as an excuse if it was (as i said) blacks moving in beside you.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's about crime, anti-social behaviour

all in the settled community as well. try again

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

the affect on property values.

property values can go up and down its a fact of life unfortunately. it can happen for many reasons, its (i'm afraid) tough at the end of the day.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's not the settled community that have dreamt up these concerns.

no, but some of them use such concerns to be bigoted toards a certain section of society. but don't dare be the same toards other sections because their views rightly wouldn't be tolerated.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's reality and experience for anyone that has had a halting site - legit or not - appear near them.

doesn't matter one jot

17-10-2015 02:25PM

I think if the residents are honest it's not that the site has poor access or what ever reasons they are giving now for not wanting a halting site beside them. It's because they are travellers, nothing more. If they said this the media would go to town on them even more. I'm sure I'll be labelled racist or what ever but I wouldn't want them beside me either. I have a lot of interactions with the travelling community and unfortunately I haven't anything good to say about them. This shouldn't be the case. I think the travelling community as a whole needs to start taking responsibility for their own actions and acknowledge and tackle the serious anti social and crime issues within their community. Then maybe things will change and people like myself will become more accepting of them.

Xenji · 17-10-2015 02:43PM

In Castlebar, a few large traveler families were moved into an estate from Limerick, the residents basically had no say and the cops are afraid to do anything, the resettled travelers have gone as far as burning out one of the houses and have the residents living in constant fear, nobody in their right mind would want to live or buy a house in a estate that resembles a war zone.

Eugene Norman · 17-10-2015 02:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Could you set up another thread and fill it with all the posts where you say you've reported my posts? That way I could refer to it every time I wanted a laugh, and your posts here would be on topic. It's win win.

No. Although I will be taking it to feedback if you aren't banned. The op from the mod warned against stereotyping. The only person who keeps derailing the thread on that topic is you.

Now, where do you think the findings of the UK Home Office that immigration has a direct and quantifiable effect on dropping house prices were wrong? You can leave out the red herring of supply and demand.

Of course supply and demand is the major effect here. I could cite a thousand sources on that. I won't be pursuing this line because opposition to immigrants, like my gf, can be bigotry.

Being opposed to halting sites however, is generally rational opposition to anti- social behaviour. You yourself said you would prefer that where you live is free of Dubliners because presumably you see Dubliners as anti-social ( Of course that's insane bigotry as there's no evidence that Dubliners are anti-social in general, although there are anti-social pockets).

walshyn93 · 17-10-2015 02:45PM

I don't see any other halting sites offering to take them in.

end of the road · 17-10-2015 02:56PM

6781 wrote: »

I think the travelling community as a whole needs to start taking responsibility for their own actions and acknowledge and tackle the serious anti social and crime issues within their community. Then maybe things will change and people like myself will become more accepting of them.

ah that old bull**** excuse. "if they did this or that people would or wouldn't do this or that"

its the same nonsense every time when it comes to travelers. its beyond boaring at this stage TBH. there is no justification for bigotry toards anyone. if you are of that type thats your fault, and no justification exists for it. if the travelers became a community with no crime what so ever it wouldn't make a difference to those who will use any excuse to tar them all with the same brush.

we have laws to tackle crime and anti-social behaviour. if the government can't be bothered to fund resource and staff those charged with enforcing said laws then thats up to the people to make it an issue come election time by raising the issue of lack of garda with those calling to the door. if the settled community do not have to do anything themselves to tackle its problems then why should anyone else be expected to? especially as we have systems in place to deal with issues, issues that exist in all communities where the same laws apply and are enforced equally to the best of the ability of the small amount of resources we have.

Xenji wrote: »

the cops are afraid to do anything

or, maybe they just don't have the resources. its what happens when you under fund and under staff your law enforcement

Azalea · 17-10-2015 02:59PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

No but there's considerable grounds for saying that the same people talking about travellers lowering house prices would be the same guys talking about blacks lowering house prices.

But that still doesn't negate what I'm saying, which is that those saying they'd help refugees aren't necessarily the same people who'd be against travellers moving into their neighbourhood. I've no doubt there is hypocrisy in relation to the two issues but some folks are finding hypocrisy where there isn't any, and it's a bit smug to be honest.

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Really? Have a scroll through this thread even. Posters a couple of weeks ago were going to let immigrants sleep on their couch after seeing one picture and the same posters are here now objecting to a family who have suffered a horrific a place to live, even in a nearby field.

I suppose it's cool to be all up for the immigrants and it's not for travellers. Spoofers all anyway.

Well I'm talking about the residents who are protesting, presumed you were too - there is no evidence whatsoever that those same people were insisting on us letting in refugees a few weeks ago.
Are there exactly the same Boards posters being so hypocritical? Perhaps there are, I'll have a look.

Personally I believe in helping anyone who genuinely needs it and won't exploit this help.

It could be argued it's hypocritical also to care about travellers in need and not asylum-seekers.

JustTheOne · 17-10-2015 03:01PM

end of the road wrote: »

ah that old bull**** excuse. "if they did this or that people would or wouldn't do this or that"

its the same nonsense every time when it comes to travelers. its beyond boaring at this stage TBH. there is no justification for bigotry toards anyone. if you are of that type thats your fault, and no justification exists for it. if the travelers became a community with no crime what so ever it wouldn't make a difference to those who will use any excuse to tar them all with the same brush.

we have laws to tackle crime and anti-social behaviour. if the government can't be bothered to fund resource and staff those charged with enforcing said laws then thats up to the people to make it an issue come election time by raising the issue of lack of garda with those calling to the door. if the settled community do not have to do anything themselves to tackle its problems then why should anyone else be expected to? especially as we have systems in place to deal with issues, issues that exist in all communities where the same laws apply and are enforced equally to the best of the ability of the small amount of resources we have.

or, maybe they just don't have the resources. its what happens when you under fund and under staff your law enforcement

Ironic coming from a Sinn Fein supporter saying if the police can't deal with anti social behaviour people should blame the government and not take matters into their own hands.

Yes quite ironic indeed.

Xenji · 17-10-2015 03:03PM

end of the road wrote: »

or, maybe they just don't have the resources. its what happens when you under fund and under staff your law enforcement

Oh they are not understaffed and the barracks is a minute walk away from the estate.

Tipsy McSwagger · 17-10-2015 03:07PM

Why should they be offered anything when they contribute fcuk all to society? They don't respect the laws of this land and anywhere they go they leave a trail of destruction all around. Let the traveller community sort this mess out because the law abiding people of this land don't really give a shyte about the lot of them.

walshyn93 · 17-10-2015 03:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd be interested in seeing planning objections upheld for loss of view or loss of privacy. Because of course a view is not a legal right at all, whereas privacy is only a very recent development in law and usually linked to the publication of images. You got links to decisions based on them?

You're coming to this debate with a lot of arrogance and no knowledge of the topic at all. People have to get planning permission to build sheds of a certain size in their back garden. A family in my area had to take down a skate ramp in their garden because neighbours objected. There is precedent for buildings obstructing views failing to get planning permission. South Dublin in particular has protected views of the mountains.

It's clear that you have no experience in planning regulations whatsoever and I think posters should keep that in mind before they try to engage you on the topic.

gizmo555 · 17-10-2015 03:08PM

Xenji wrote: »

In Castlebar, a few large traveler families were moved into an estate from Limerick, the residents basically had no say and the cops are afraid to do anything, the resettled travelers have gone as far as burning out one of the houses and have the residents living in constant fear, nobody in their right mind would want to live or buy a house in a estate that resembles a war zone.

In the case of Castlebar, the use of the term "war zone" is no more than the simple truth:

Murder hunt as third member of family shot in Traveller feud

A MURDER hunt is under way after a man who had been hit in the body with a shotgun blast died in hospital.

He is the third member of his family to have been shot this year and all of the incidents are being linked by gardai to a feud between two Traveller groups.

The latest victim, named last night as Owen Maughan, was shot yesterday afternoon at a service station in Moneen, outside Castlebar, Co Mayo, close to a campsite where the Maughan family live.

Mr Maughan (29) was filling up the water tank in his vehicle when the gunman struck at around 3.30pm.

He slumped to the ground as the attackers made their getaway in a dark-coloured estate car, which sped off in the direction of Claremorris.

He was rushed by ambulance to Mayo General Hospital but less than five hours after the shooting he died from his wounds.

Gardai immediately upgraded their investigation to a murder hunt and late last night were following a number of lines of inquiry. The Top Oil station was also the scene of another shooting incident in January when his brother, Jack Maughan, was shot twice with a pellet gun and suffered minor injuries.

Two months later another brother was shot at Castlegrove housing estate in Castlebar, but he also recovered from his wounds.

Officers said the feud between the two groups had been ongoing for a couple of years.

end of the road · 17-10-2015 03:14PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Ironic coming from a Sinn Fein supporter saying if the police can't deal with anti social behaviour people should blame the government and not take matters into their own hands.

Yes quite ironic indeed.

what has sinn fein got to do with this topic? and yes, those "taking matters into their own hands" are as scum as anyone else commiting crime whoever they are.

end of the road · 17-10-2015 03:22PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Why should they be offered anything when they contribute fcuk all to society?

why should those in the settled community who contribute nothing to society get anything considering they contribute nothing to society? answer, because its the right thing to help those in need even if it means helping those we don't like. so the system has to, and does apply to all.

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

They don't respect the laws of this land

nothing unique to travelers in fairness. plenty of people in this country from all walks of life who couldn't care a less about the law of the land. when some travelers, some politicians or some foreigners break the law there is huge outrage, but just average for everyone else. funny that.

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Let the traveller community sort this mess out

no, the systems we have in place will sort it out.

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

the law abiding people of this land don't really give a shyte about the lot of them.

don't we? i do. i'd agree many don't but you don't speak for me. thanks all the same

Dr.Internet · 17-10-2015 03:23PM

I lived beside Black people, Dubs and Travellers. In 2/3 cases, it was not part of their culture to sh1t across walls in to gardens.

Spanish Eyes · 17-10-2015 03:36PM

I wish people would just stand back for a minute and take a deep impartial breath on this topic.

For example -

Settled people. Say a family was wiped out, their relatives would be rehoused in the morning, no bother. Or they would stay with relatives more like until the burned out house was refurbished. Many settled people do not have a choice but to return to a house which was the scene of a tragedy. In time of course.

Travellers. They demand to be accommodated in caravans and mobile homes on a site provided by the Council. They refuse by tradition or culture to return to the scene where deaths occurred. No houses for them, it would appear they don't like houses. Many of the Traveller houses in Rathkeale for example (google maps is your friend), live in the gardens in a caravan. But they bought those houses themselves. No planning laws there. Imagine if I put a caravan in my front drive and allowed a gang of friends to kip there for a year. Not on your life. so.

I also find it a bit funny really that people can be called "travellers" when all they seem to want to do is settle down in a halting site for years. I'm puzzled by that.

Now you will note that I didn't say a thing about criminality or the like in relation to travellers. I merely question their demands to live a life that suits THEM, but is not by any stretch of the imagination conforming to society's norms. That's fine if they are in the middle of the country, but many are not.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I support the residents. Imagine their peace and security is threatened. They live there, they know how things were on the original site, and are naturally fearful. I would be too. Let us for one moment give a voice to those who are not enamoured with a traveller site next door. Because as far as I can see anyone who says anything negative about travellers is a racist bigot. That is not true. People can have an opinion based on their experiences.

The Traveller industry in this country has to justify its existence and funding. What have they done to integrate both settled and travellers? Millions have been spent on this issue, and we are no further forward at all. Racist, Discrimination is all I hear from Martin Collins mouth.

So here we are. I rarely hear Pavee Point commenting on sulky racing, animal cruelty, bare faced littering, and downright thugishness that results in court cases and the like. But the minute a settled person speaks up, they are called racist and bigots, and the Travellers are being discriminated agains. Bizarre.

Those experiences are muzzled by every organ of the media and politicians alike. That is not a fair debate.

Sorry for the long post.

Wibbs · 17-10-2015 04:02PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Ironic coming from a Sinn Fein supporter saying if the police can't deal with anti social behaviour people should blame the government and not take matters into their own hands.

Yes quite ironic indeed.

I wouldn't even bother JTO, it's just the usual moral outrage from that poster. You'll twist yourself in knots trying to get any sort of logic or reality across.

end of the road wrote:

why should those in the settled community who contribute nothing to society get anything considering they contribute nothing to society? answer, because its the right thing to help those in need even if it means helping those we don't like. so the system has to, and does apply to all.

TBH I'm dubious about giving too much to those who don't contribute to wider society, "settled" or not.

nothing unique to travelers in fairness. plenty of people in this country from all walks of life who couldn't care a less about the law of the land. when some travelers, some politicians or some foreigners break the law there is huge outrage, but just average for everyone else. funny that.

I dunno how often it has to be repeated to get through your particular reality distortion field, but Travellers are disproportionally represented in crime statistics. This is a cast iron fact. No debate about it. As was posted earlier from a study on the subject; figures suggest Traveller men are between five and 11 times more likely than other men to be imprisoned, while Traveller women face a risk of imprisonment as much as 18 to 22 times higher than that of the general
population. Up to eleven times more likely to end up in gaol compared to the rest of the country's population, up to twenty two times more likely in the case of women Travellers? That's not paranoia, them's the stats and bear in mind that's convictions and prison sentences. How often do we read of those in the dock with 20 or more previous convictions before they finally get locked up. No matter how good the Gardai are no way are those convictions all of the crimes committed, tip of the iceberg time.

How many "politicians or foreigners" rock up to a green field en masse and cause mountains of refuse and filth and damage to sites? Look how many parks in Dublin anyway where the councils had to erect low walls to stop them invading every summer and wrecking the place. One such site near Tallaght a few years back require expenditure of a couple of hundred thousand euro to clean it up. They showed up in my area a few years back and destroyed the place and burglaries and petty crime rose appreciably with local Gardai advising the locals(on the quiet for fear of the hand wringers) to be vigilant and up security and keep an eye on your dogs. Oh and how many "politicians or foreigners" have murderous feuds lasting years and actual pitched bloody battles in the streets of Ireland? That would be eff all Ted.

no, the systems we have in place will sort it out.

Hmmm we have more systems in place now than ever before, yet the criminality isn't abating, if anything it's increasing and becoming ever more blatant.

end of the road · 17-10-2015 04:28PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Travellers. They demand to be accommodated in caravans and mobile homes on a site provided by the Council. They refuse by tradition or culture to return to the scene where deaths occurred.

can you show where the family in this case "demanded" anything? plenty of people may end up never returning to the place where their children died in a fire if its to difficult. its understandable

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

No planning laws there.

yes planning laws there. if the council have an issue with people not abiding by the planning laws it is dealt with traveler or not

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Imagine if I put a caravan in my front drive and allowed a gang of friends to kip there for a year. Not on your life.

no different to the travelers. so obviously they are doing something to comply with the planning laws or using a loop hole. either way, the systems are the same for all.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I also find it a bit funny really that people can be called "travellers" when all they seem to want to do is settle down in a halting site for years. I'm puzzled by that.

maybe the term "traveler descendants" might be better in that case.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I merely question their demands to live a life that suits THEM, but is not by any stretch of the imagination conforming to society's norms.

nothing wrong with not "conforming" to anything as long as its not actually harming anyone. if it does then we have systems in place to sort it out. while nomadic traditions and those who take part in them exist in this country then providing the basic facilities for those people isn't an issue.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Anyway, for what it's worth, I support the residents. Imagine their peace and security is threatened. They live there, they know how things were on the original site, and are naturally fearful.

debatible. those travelers lived near them for years. nothing to say there was any trouble.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

as far as I can see anyone who says anything negative about travellers is a racist bigot. That is not true.

unfortunately, many are.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The Traveller industry in this country has to justify its existence and funding. What have they done to integrate both settled and travellers?

what do you do if certain elements of the settled community will throw every excuse to not bother with travelers who do bother to integrate or at least try. only so much traveler groups can do.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Millions have been spent on this issue, and we are no further forward at all. Racist, Discrimination is all I hear from Martin Collins mouth.

and he's right.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So here we are. I rarely hear Pavee Point commenting on sulky racing, animal cruelty, bare faced littering, and downright thugishness that results in court cases and the like.

why should they. its not their job. what do you want them to do? we have laws to deal with all those, they are illegal

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But the minute a settled person speaks up, they are called racist and bigots, and the Travellers are being discriminated agains. Bizarre.

not really. unfortunately its the same excuses every time a settled person speaks up.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Those experiences are muzzled by every organ of the media and politicians alike. That is not a fair debate.

they aren't muzzled at all. everyone has a platform. ireland and its people haven't a clue of what real restrictions on free speach are like.

end of the road · 17-10-2015 04:32PM

Dr.Internet wrote: »

I lived beside Black people, Dubs and Travellers. In 2/3 cases, it was not part of their culture to sh1t across walls in to gardens.

did you report those ****ing over the wall to the gards? after all, that is illegal.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I wish people would just stand back for a minute and take a deep impartial breath on this topic.

For example -

Settled people. Say a family was wiped out, their relatives would be rehoused in the morning, no bother. Or they would stay with relatives more like until the burned out house was refurbished. Many settled people do not have a choice but to return to a house which was the scene of a tragedy. In time of course.

Travellers. They demand to be accommodated in caravans and mobile homes on a site provided by the Council. They refuse by tradition or culture to return to the scene where deaths occurred. No houses for them, it would appear they don't like houses. Many of the Traveller houses in Rathkeale for example (google maps is your friend), live in the gardens in a caravan. But they bought those houses themselves. No planning laws there. Imagine if I put a caravan in my front drive and allowed a gang of friends to kip there for a year. Not on your life. so.

I also find it a bit funny really that people can be called "travellers" when all they seem to want to do is settle down in a halting site for years. I'm puzzled by that.

Now you will note that I didn't say a thing about criminality or the like in relation to travellers. I merely question their demands to live a life that suits THEM, but is not by any stretch of the imagination conforming to society's norms. That's fine if they are in the middle of the country, but many are not.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I support the residents. Imagine their peace and security is threatened. They live there, they know how things were on the original site, and are naturally fearful. I would be too. Let us for one moment give a voice to those who are not enamoured with a traveller site next door. Because as far as I can see anyone who says anything negative about travellers is a racist bigot. That is not true. People can have an opinion based on their experiences.

The Traveller industry in this country has to justify its existence and funding. What have they done to integrate both settled and travellers? Millions have been spent on this issue, and we are no further forward at all. Racist, Discrimination is all I hear from Martin Collins mouth.

So here we are. I rarely hear Pavee Point commenting on sulky racing, animal cruelty, bare faced littering, and downright thugishness that results in court cases and the like. But the minute a settled person speaks up, they are called racist and bigots, and the Travellers are being discriminated agains. Bizarre.

Those experiences are muzzled by every organ of the media and politicians alike. That is not a fair debate.

Sorry for the long post.

JTO brought sf into the debate when its not relevant. there is no "moral outrage" from me, just stating the facts. crime in general is falling in the western world

JustTheOne · 17-10-2015 05:09PM

end of the road wrote: »

did you report those ****ing over the wall to the gards? after all, that is illegal.

JTO brought sf into the debate when its not relevant. there is no "moral outrage" from me, just stating the facts. crime in general is falling in the western world

You brought the government into it. Trying to point the finger at them instead of the perpetrator of the crimes.

17-10-2015 05:14PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

No. Although I will be taking it to feedback if you aren't banned.

My knees are are still shaking!

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Of course supply and demand is the major effect here. I could cite a thousand sources on that. I won't be pursuing this line because opposition to immigrants, like my gf, can be bigotry.

The report said immigrants affect house prices.

Very very very obviously other matters do too, you mention supply and demand, I could say the size of the house, someone else might say compliance with planning, another might say proximity to services and so on. The report does not say the presence of immigrants is the sole factor, merely that they adversely affect house prices.

Now I think that's a price well worth paying, obviously again bigotry is not to point out the facts but to draw adverse conclusions from them. I'm not the one arguing that house prices should trump other considerations.

end of the road · 17-10-2015 05:26PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

You brought the government into it. Trying to point the finger at them instead of the perpetrator of the crimes.

i didn't. i stated we have laws and systems to deal with crime and other issues, however if the resources being funded to deal with those issues are under funded and under resourced and staffed, then little can be done

Bebopclown · 17-10-2015 05:34PM

People seem to ignore that a few people have already posted here saying they have have have quite a few negative experiences with the people who need rehousing.
Also you have to think that the residents know how they are going to be vilified in the press for this yet they are still protesting. That should tell you that they have very strong feelings about this and have probably also had negitive experiences with those involved.

icebergiceberg · 17-10-2015 05:43PM

Bebopclown wrote: »

Ive had dealings with this family and they where not pleasant at all. I used to work near them and they made it a living hell. I would not want this family anywhere near me.

I am a little confused. Which family are you referring to? I recall in the direct aftermath of the tragedy many locals were saying that site was very clean etc etc etc. Then came the issue of resettling 15 people. I presume this is the remaining members from that site. I was surprised then to read of objections in that context. But maybe not now. Is the family you are referring to from that site? Are they part of the 15 people? What type of things have they been involved in?

brooke 2 · 17-10-2015 05:46PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=26808

I think I'd be a little peeved myself.

What a nightmare! I wonder how things are in that estate in Ballymote now?

brooke 2 · 17-10-2015 05:52PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Does revenue or cab ever get involved in travellers earnings?

I miss one payment and revenue are all over me like a tonne of bricks.

Was just thinking the same thing. It took the death of Veronica Guerin for the government
to set up CAB; there seems to be no political will to deal with the criminal elements among the Traveller community.

Spanish Eyes · 17-10-2015 06:01PM

Fact, crime in Limerick dissipated unbelievably once the Traveller gangs were put away for a long time. Can't think of their names now, but I think folk will know who I mean.

That took a long time, and lot of public money in court cases and the like. The behaviour of some of them outside the courts aswell was outrageous.

But they are incarcerated now. Good. I hope they like their new halting site.

Residents object to temporary halting site

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