Cork 2016 Route news

roundymac

LBA no great loss, NCL is a w/e party type flight IMO.

Pat Dunne

man98 wrote: »

The low cost passenger is by far the least lucrative to businesses in the airport because most are on a shoestring budget. There is no denying there would be an increase in business at the airport, but we need to factor the lesser of two evils in here.

I can't say I cocur with your take on low cost PAX. As a fairly frequent user of Pier 1 (Ryanair departures & arrivals) in DUB, I have always noted how busy the Coffee shops, Bar and the other retails spaces are with customers/PAX, when I'm passing through at anytime of the day or night.

MoeJay

snotboogie wrote: »

With the caveat of reportedly in front of it.

If you read Norwegian's annual report for 2015 you will see that one of their many subsidiaries is called Norwegian Air Resources based in Singapore..I don't think they have any routes there...? There are many branches to this company and only the holding company is based in Ireland. This exists solely as a function to provide crew to Norwegian Long Haul, which likes to farm out its flying to other subsidiaries such as NAI and vice versa (that also can be found in the annual reports).

In relation to employment in Ireland vs Norway, well there are many reasons. For example, lower rate of employers' social insurance contribution, no statutory sick pay and most importantly the ability to use a 3rd party agency to contract workers to provide work for you without them ever being an employee so you don't have to meet any of the traditional requirements of an employee/employer relationship...such as social insurance contributions or statutory sick pay! That's a no go in Norway.

Despite all their protestations, this has never been about flying between Ireland and the USA. They can do it, they admit it but they won't......why????

snotboogie

MoeJay wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

With the caveat of reportedly in front of it.

If you read Norwegian's annual report for 2015 you will see that one of their many subsidiaries is called Norwegian Air Resources based in Singapore..I don't think they have any routes there...? There are many branches to this company and only the holding company is based in Ireland. This exists solely as a function to provide crew to Norwegian Long Haul, which likes to farm out its flying to other subsidiaries such as NAI and vice versa (that also can be found in the annual reports).

In relation to employment in Ireland vs Norway, well there are many reasons. For example, lower rate of employers' social insurance contribution, no statutory sick pay and most importantly the ability to use a 3rd party agency to contract workers to provide work for you without them ever being an employee so you don't have to meet any of the traditional requirements of an employee/employer relationship...such as social insurance contributions or statutory sick pay! That's a no go in Norway.

Despite all their protestations, this has never been about flying between Ireland and the USA. They can do it, they admit it but they won't......why????

Don't they have a hub in Bangkok? That has been mentioned in this thread.
I have answered your last questions 3 times. They are doing it to excerpt political pressure.

Rawr

snotboogie wrote: »

Don't they have a hub in Bangkok? That has been mentioned in this thread.
I have answered your last questions 3 times. They are doing it to excerpt political pressure.

I do believe there is a hub in Bangkok. I could be wrong but I believe that they base a lot of the long haul crew there.

A good chunk of the Norwegian Long Haul traffic out of the Scandinavian airports goes east to Thailand, so I guess they're swapping crews on those trips and then these Europe-bound crews continue on to a US destination (for example) after completing their return leg to Oslo/Copenhagen/Stockholm.

I could easily be wrong with all that, it's based solely on my imagination and not on any hard facts.

Mr rebel

Carnacalla wrote: »

I see LBA is gone for the summer and NCL cut back again to 3pw.

Sad really, NCL route was useful personally, always found it quite expensive though.

I could easily see Iberia increasing for next summer, anything else on the horizon?

Do these stand for Leeds and Newcastle?

Pat Dunne

Mr rebel wrote: »

Do these stand for Leeds and Newcastle?

They do indeed.

JCX BXC

Mr rebel wrote: »

Do these stand for Leeds and Newcastle?

Yup sorry, should have clarified!

I find that if I see one I don't know, putting *** airport into google will usually work, useful if you see one somewhere where you cant reply!

man98

Pat Dunne wrote: »

I can't say I cocur with your take on low cost PAX. As a fairly frequent user of Pier 1 (Ryanair departures & arrivals) in DUB, I have always noted how busy the Coffee shops, Bar and the other retails spaces are with customers/PAX, when I'm passing through at anytime of the day or night.

I would argue that it has more to do with the volume of passengers through these gates by Ryanair, which 5 weekly flights would not provide very much of.

ongarboy

Carnacalla wrote: »

Yup sorry, should have clarified!

I find that if I see one I don't know, putting *** airport into google will usually work, useful if you see one somewhere where you cant reply!

Googling is what i've been doing since I started visiting this forum as unless it's an obvious abbreviation of the city, I haven't a clue...don't get me started on the Canadian airport codes!!:).

Pat Dunne

ongarboy wrote: »

Googling is what i've been doing since I started visiting this forum as unless it's an obvious abbreviation of the city, I haven't a clue...don't get me started on the Canadian airport codes!!:).

Here you go give this a try
http://www.airportcodes.aero

highlydebased

The Aer Lingus/KLM codeshare looks be finishing next year so it'll be interesting to see what the future is for ORK-AMS

snotboogie

highlydebased wrote: »

The Aer Lingus/KLM codeshare looks be finishing next year so it'll be interesting to see what the future is for ORK-AMS

I wonder if people realize how important AMS is to Cork airport. It's the third biggest route (way ahead of Gatwick) out of ORK and has double the traffic of the closest non London routes (Paris and Manchester).

Locker10a

highlydebased wrote: »

The Aer Lingus/KLM codeshare looks be finishing next year so it'll be interesting to see what the future is for ORK-AMS

This is terrible news for Cork, what a real shame. I guess KLM don't want to be in bed with IAG/ONEworld.
I suppose most connecting traffic from Cork will go via LHR or MAD in future, unless KLM or Lufthansa start a shuttle to their own hubs in FRA or AMS

highlydebased

KLM may well start their own service with E190 or some such, after all they will know where people are connecting on to from ORK and how much it is worth to them. Without the codeshare it is hard to see 2x daily A320 service continuing however (I know the second daily is only on some days now). Interestingly SNN have been wooing KLM for a long time now too.

snotboogie

highlydebased wrote: »

KLM may well start their own service with E190 or some such, after all they will know where people are connecting on to from ORK and how much it is worth to them. Without the codeshare it is hard to see 2x daily A320 service continuing however (I know the second daily is only on some days now). Interestingly SNN have been wooing KLM for a long time now too.

They have already announced this for Dublin right? I wouldn't be surprised if Cork was just taken as a loss, they seem to have no interest. Cork is small potatoes for the likes of KLM and AMS.

Such a pity, AMS is by far preferable to LHR for connections, at least for the places I travel to.

highlydebased

snotboogie wrote: »

They have already announced this for Dublin right? I wouldn't be surprised if Cork was just taken as a loss, they seem to have no interest. Cork is small potatoes for the likes of KLM and AMS.

Such a pity, AMS is by far preferable to LHW for connections, at least for the places I travel to.

You wouldn't think it though from looking at their UK destinations, they dont seem shy about the regional airports. They already fly to the likes of Durham Tees, Cardiff, Humberside, Norwich etc (I know the latter two are short flights but still), so with that in mind Cork is not beyond the realms of possibility

weisses

Maybe Ryanair will fill the gap ?

roundymac

weisses wrote: »

Maybe Ryanair will fill the gap ?

Useless unless there is conectivity.

Jack1985

Carnacalla wrote: »

I see LBA is gone for the summer and NCL cut back again to 3pw.

Sad really, NCL route was useful personally, always found it quite expensive though.

I could easily see Iberia increasing for next summer, anything else on the horizon?

Sorry to point out its now September, the schedule realises 'prelim' nearly a replica of the previous Summer into the booking engine so the schedule for Stobart hasn't even been finalised for S17, if you'll remember NCL was planned at 3PW in S16 prior to the addition of the 3rd a/c. Scaremongering here is unbelievable pre-every Summer/Winter schedule final release.

oakshade

highlydebased wrote:

The Aer Lingus/KLM codeshare looks be finishing next year so it'll be interesting to see what the future is for ORK-AMS

Wow, that would be a terrible loss. Does anyone have any detail, timelines on this? Family holiday for next year is in Holland and I was hoping to book from Cork.

KCAccidental

oakshade wrote: »

Wow, that would be a terrible loss. Does anyone have any detail, timelines on this? Family holiday for next year is in Holland and I was hoping to book from Cork.

The route will continue. Either with EI or KLM entering.

VG31

Volotea starting scheduled Verona service weekly from June to September: http://www.corkairport.com/news/detail/2016/10/07/new-service-from-cork-airport-to-verona-next-summer

January

Can anyone confirm if Cork-Girona is going ahead for summer next year and when flights are likely to be released?

JCX BXC

January wrote: »

Can anyone confirm if Cork-Girona is going ahead for summer next year and when flights are likely to be released?

Ryanair's Seasonal peaks are not loaded yet for any airport, and the Girona route is only June-August therefore a seasonal peak.

If the route is going ahead (Likely imo) I'd expect it not to be released for another month or two. Unqualified guess here though.

January

Thanks, flights for June/July were released earlier than this last year so was just wondering.

JCX BXC

January wrote: »

Thanks, flights for June/July were released earlier than this last year so was just wondering.

Could be wrong in my guess in that case, could be loaded any day now!

JCX BXC

Haven't heard anything on the Norwegian soap opera in a while, anyone hear anything?

roundymac

Carnacalla wrote: »

Haven't heard anything on the Norwegian soap opera in a while, anyone hear anything?

Aladdin is the XMAS panto in the opera house this year so not expecting anything until then.:D
On a serious note not really expecting anything,,, only more bullsh1t.

Foggy43

Not sure but someone may be interested in today's Daily Telegraph report

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/18/uk-pledges-action-over-us-block-on-norwegian-air/