Eir rural FTTH thread

RoYoBo

Would there be any advantage/disadvantage moving broadband and phone to Eir now, before we're connected up to FTTH? Out of contract with Sky and would like to pave the way to make everything as seamless as possible when the time comes. Would we lose out on offers for FTTH?

Johnboy1951

RoYoBo wrote: »

Would there be any advantage/disadvantage moving broadband and phone to Eir now, before we're connected up to FTTH? Out of contract with Sky and would like to pave the way to make everything as seamless as possible when the time comes. Would we lose out on offers for FTTH?

According to one post I read eir are offering new customers a special deal when getting FTTH.
If that is the case then you would lose out on that.

Gonzo

RoYoBo wrote: »

Would there be any advantage/disadvantage moving broadband and phone to Eir now, before we're connected up to FTTH? Out of contract with Sky and would like to pave the way to make everything as seamless as possible when the time comes. Would we lose out on offers for FTTH?

Eir customers get a 4 month discount when they sign up for Eir's FTTH services. Do the maths and see whats more expensive, using Eir for everything or using another provider for phone and then Eir for FTTH.

With Eir's FTTH Network, I currently see very little if any worthwhile competition. All the providers have the same 1tb data allowances and all roughly the same price. Currently Sky and Vodafone don't sell FTTH using Eir's Network.

If your a gamer, Eir's FTTH wired is the best option as their network and ping times are better than anyone elses and that includes Virgin Media and Siro's FTTH.

Digiweb would be better if your into good modems as their Fritzbox is meant to be a whole lot better than modems other providers give.

Pure Telecom I know very little about, their pricing is the same as Eir's and so is the allowance. I have no idea what ping times would be like with them.

ED E

If history is anything to go on Sky won't sell it until 2019 so loyalty to them would be misplaced.

Gonzo

I would love to see Virgin Media become a reseller of Eir's FTTH and offer a truly unlimited service, I doubt that will ever happen tho.

Johnboy1951

Gonzo wrote: »

I would love to see Virgin Media become a reseller of Eir's FTTH and offer a truly unlimited service, I doubt that will ever happen tho.

I would prefer eir to offer it

In addition I would like the option of a symmetrical service 150/150

Gonzo

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I would prefer eir to offer it

In addition I would like the option of a symmetrical service 150/150

yep been honest I would love Eir to offer a truly unlimited service as well, their network is incredible and begging to be used more!.

Their packages could do with some adjusting alright, 150/30, 300/50 then a massive jump to 1000/100.

To be truly competitive with Siro and Virgin Eir should go truly unlimited and offer 330/75, 650/120 and 1000/330. An symmetrical service would probably be extremely expensive but could offer it to those who really want it. AFAIK Gpon can't do 1000/1000.

If they can't do truly unlimited, then at least offer better FUP's that scale with the package you are ordering. Eir are missing out on an extra 12 euros per month from me because there is no FUP scaling/unlimited data.

RoYoBo

ED E wrote: »

If history is anything to go on Sky won't sell it until 2019 so loyalty to them would be misplaced.

Believe me, I've zero loyalty to Sky I just have broadband and phone with them anyway, as we have very little choice of providers.

I am wondering only about the choice to jump ship to Eir now or wait until FTTH arrives. I suppose I'll have to try and compare options, but it's like apples and oranges, especially when I can't be sure exactly when FTTH will be connected - we've been moved back a couple of times and the latest is Autumn 2017.

RoYoBo

Gonzo wrote: »

Eir customers get a 4 month discount when they sign up for Eir's FTTH services. Do the maths and see whats more expensive, using Eir for everything or using another provider for phone and then Eir for FTTH.

With Eir's FTTH Network, I currently see very little if any worthwhile competition. All the providers have the same 1tb data allowances and all roughly the same price. Currently Sky and Vodafone don't sell FTTH using Eir's Network.

If your a gamer, Eir's FTTH wired is the best option as their network and ping times are better than anyone elses and that includes Virgin Media and Siro's FTTH.

Digiweb would be better if your into good modems as their Fritzbox is meant to be a whole lot better than modems other providers give.

Pure Telecom I know very little about, their pricing is the same as Eir's and so is the allowance. I have no idea what ping times would be like with them.

Very useful info, thanks. Not a gamer and wouldn't know a good modem if it jumped up and bit me! Have more or less decided to go with Eir - when is the only real decision. I'd hate to miss out on a special offer because I switched too soon, so I'll probably wait and see. Keeping an eye on this thread has educated me in ways I never imagined

Westnet: Paul

Gonzo wrote: »

With Eir's FTTH Network, I currently see very little if any worthwhile competition. All the providers have the same 1tb data allowances and all roughly the same price.

o O

Gonzo

Westnet: Paul wrote: »

o O

haha, perhaps Westnet should try and expand to the rest of the country and offer all of us unlimited FTTH goodness! Mayo can't keep all the fun to themselves!.

Peppa Cig

Gonzo wrote: »

haha, perhaps Westnet should try and expand to the rest of the country and offer all of us unlimited FTTH goodness! Mayo can't keep all the fun to themselves!.

+1

naughto

Gonzo wrote: »

haha, perhaps Westnet should try and expand to the rest of the country and offer all of us unlimited FTTH goodness! Mayo can't keep all the fun to themselves!.

As long as Westnet are not as strick with the ffth as they are with there current products they sell then I am all for them
Torrents are a big no no and a lot of streaming sites with there internet I no it's like comping chalk and cheese with what they offer now compare to what the will off when up in running with ftth.

No offence Paul I am just saying like it is

Johnboy1951

Hold the mayo!

Westnet: Paul

naughto wrote: »

As long as Westnet are not as strick with the ffth as they are with there current products they sell then I am all for them
Torrents are a big no no and a lot of streaming sites with there internet I no it's like comping chalk and cheese with what they offer now compare to what the will off when up in running with ftth.

No offence Paul I am just saying like it is

No, that's fair. I guess I should do another one of those "explaining our thinking" posts.

Our wireless products have low speeds by today's standards. We're under no illusions about that, and that's why we've wholeheartedly embraced the approach of reselling other providers' fibre products.

Wireless is inherently limited. Other companies will tell you that wireless can do anything that fibre can, or that the next generation of wireless technologies - always just a few years away - will somehow deliver unlimited quantities of data with limited spectrum. With the best will in the world, marketing has yet to trump the laws of physics.

There are two ways of dealing with the limitations of wireless: one is to open the taps and let everyone battle it out. This can work reasonably well at off-peak times, but tends to lead to a total collapse of the network when it gets busy. The other is to either limit speeds or impose caps.

We've made the decision to keep speeds low, because a huge percentage of our customers still just want to know that when they turn on their computer, they'll get online. They don't want to find that they can't look at Facebook because the neighbours are watching Netflix; they don't want to be told that they can't get online because they've used the Internet too much today; they definitely don't want the nasty shock of a large bill for data usage at the end of the month.

Now, we're acutely aware that the way people use the Internet is changing, and that wireless connections just can't realistically do multiple high-def video streams. That's why we will never offer someone a wireless connection when a fibre or VDSL connection is available to them, even if it means we have to eat nearly 300 euros to install that fibre.

The other thing to bear in mind is that we're supplying our wireless customers from over a hundred high sites throughout the region, practically none of which have fibre backhaul available. That means that we're constantly having to spend tens of thousands of euros on ever higher capacity microwave links, and in many cases we're rapidly approaching the physical limit of what can be built that way.

In short, I don't think it's fair to say we're "strict" with our wireless products; we prefer to think of it as being "realistic" about what they can do. The day we can move every single one of our customers to a fibre connection is a day we're looking forward to.

naughto

I had a big reply done and the fuc1king interweb went down for 5 mins eir and there fibre connection 😋
I understand that ye just want customers who browse the internet for Facebook what ever.
A lot of people would take a monthly cap over getting a letter from ye to say what torrents where download
But then you can't have one law for some and not others
As I said I am not having go and I bet your glad your on board the ffth train if your transmitter connections are nearly maxed

Do ye do fibre installs for other companies us that what you mean have to eat 300 to do the install

Gonzo

getting slightly faster downloads than ever tonight, just did a speedtest, normally get about 286, getting 290 tonight, my fastest speedtest yet!

Gwynston

Gonzo wrote: »

getting slightly faster downloads than ever tonight, just did a speedtest, normally get about 286, getting 290 tonight, my fastest speedtest yet!

Whoopy-feckin-do! :rolleyes:
Your "improvement" of 4Mbps is more than twice as fast as my broadband actually is :eek:

I jest!
FTTH is coming my way soon, and I'm just jealous waiting...

jd

naughto wrote:

Do ye do fibre installs for other companies us that what you mean have to eat 300 to do the install

He means that Westnet have to pay their supplier (openeir in this case) 300 euro for the install

detective

I have a 100m underground duct that I want to run fibre optic cable through so that they might actually connect me when they pass my property out. What sort of cable do I need?

tsue921i8wljb3

detective wrote: »

I have a 100m underground duct that I want to run fibre optic cable through so that they might actually connect me when they pass my property out. What sort of cable do I need?

They won't connect to third party fibre cable so there is no point doing that. Having the duct obstruction free and with a pull rope in it is the best you can do.

chris241111

I was with eir (com) twice in the past and had been overcharged both times like the monthly bill would be 120 euro or 70 then 90.
However really want ftth and eir are the only ones offering it.
So do they still randomly overcharge or do they stick to the price they say in the contract?

BandMember

@Westnet:Paul - a well written and well thought out post, thanks for that. I just wish that certain other satellite providers, both nationally and locally (including one near you), displayed the same attitude and honesty with their customers....

Gonzo

BandMember wrote: »

@Westnet:Paul - a well written and well thought out post, thanks for that. I just wish that certain other satellite providers, both nationally and locally (including one near you), displayed the same attitude and honesty with their customers....

the management at Imagine should probably look at that post and read it a few times.

tsue921i8wljb3

chris241111 wrote: »

I was with eir (com) twice in the past and had been overcharged both times like the monthly bill would be 120 euro or 70 then 90.
However really want ftth and eir are the only ones offering it.
So do they still randomly overcharge or do they stick to the price they say in the contract?

They are not the only ones offering it. Other resellers include Pure Telecom, Digiweb, Net1 and forum favourite Westnet!

Grumpypants

Went to sit down for some PS4 tonight, it is rare i get any time to play so i was really looking forward to it.

Booted up Wildlands, 8gb update needed 8+ hours download time.

Fibre cant come soon enough. Roll on May.

Gonzo

Grumpypants wrote: »

Went to sit down for some PS4 tonight, it is rare i get any time to play so i was really looking forward to it.

Booted up Wildlands, 8gb update needed 8+ hours download time.

Fibre cant come soon enough. Roll on May.

I need to get my PS4 wired. When I had ADSL my PS4 was only getting 1/8th of my normal speed wireless, yet other mobile devices in the same room would get the full speed.

Even now with my fibre, the PS4 is still only getting a fraction of what every other device receives.

GalwayMagpie

My exchange in Kilcolgan has changed to Estimated date for live 1000Mb/s fibre is 03 May.
Can I order on this date?

Gonzo

GalwayMagpie wrote: »

My exchange in Kilcolgan has changed to Estimated date for live 1000Mb/s fibre is 03 May.
Can I order on this date?

Ring Eir sales on the 3rd May, your premises may not be live on that date. The first live date is usually just 1 or 2 routes and more get added on a monthly basis. There is no point in ordering untill you know your premises is live, even if you order beforehand online, the order will fail if your not live.

Grumpypants

GalwayMagpie wrote: »

My exchange in Kilcolgan has changed to Estimated date for live 1000Mb/s fibre is 03 May.
Can I order on this date?

Kinvara was listed for live on April 5th. We couldn't order until then and when i did they said it wont be live until may 3rd. So they would arrange tge install after that date.

Likely be similar enough for kilcolgan. Order may 5th then install in June.