DCG 2016

liverpool1997

Started my project 2day and i feel it has to be the worst over the last few years. what do ye make of it.

Doctorhopeful

What's the project topic? I did DCG last year so I'm curious

spurious

Briefs here (.pdf file)

Salt and pepper shakers for Ordinary, Taps for Higher.

cathal2013

"Include an analysis of contemporary taps in relation to their physical form, shape, ergonomics, materials, features, etc."
Physical Form - The shape and structure of an object
Shape - Spatial form, contour, or appearance
Were supposed to look into the two of these separately

Doctorhopeful

spurious wrote:

Taps for Higher.

jaysis that is c rap. Worst since lecterns.

Noccy_Mondy

A Tap isn't as bad as it seems. I've done up a few quick ones on solidworks, which would have the potential to be high markers, with the high attention to detail.

A simple twist on a regular garden tap for example could work, showing a section view with all the intricate parts.

spurious

There are the different types too - mix, lever operated, twist, push button etc..

legocrazy505

Honestly does the person deciding it sit in a room of things in front of them and goes "Ah ha! I've got it! A tap!". I'm of the opinion they should at least give projects that people can get their hands on the required item easily. Last year was a torch, every house has one of those and buying one isn't too expensive. People in my class have had to go and buy a tap, that's 20 euro and over for a item you'll be using for a few months.

On the plus side at least there are many taps in the world or as my teacher said "as many taps as there are sinks".

michaelk744

Can anyone give me a brief summary of the initial conception of the tap? Who invented, who used, when, why etc

Thanks.

spurious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_water_supply_and_sanitation

CathalRyano

What kind of things are people drawing for the "Freehand Graphical Representation" bit? I've got the big drawing of the tap itself, but what other things do we put in next to it?

legocrazy505

CathalRyano wrote: »

What kind of things are people drawing for the "Freehand Graphical Representation" bit? I've got the big drawing of the tap itself, but what other things do we put in next to it?

That's pretty much what most people do, our teacher has showed us a project someone got an A1 for but he lost marks on that page. She said it would have been better to also include sketches of main parts on the page as well as a sketch of it all together.

CathalRyano

legocrazy505 wrote: »

That's pretty much what most people do, our teacher has showed us a project someone got an A1 for but he lost marks on that page. She said it would have been better to also include sketches of main parts on the page as well as a sketch of it all together.

So just the handle/spout/other bits on its own?

michaelk744

Anyone have a link to something detailing how modern taps save water? e.g special type of spout or something

annmarie98

Anybody know if it's okay to use a scanned version of the main freehand graphical sketch in the other sections (like compare and contrast)? Or will it need to be a new one? I have a perfect one sketched that I used in the compare section and was going to add a few sketches in around it but I'm afraid I'll lose marks. If not I'll use it as the main sketch and do a new one for compare and contrast. Thanks ðŸ‘ðŸ¼

seavill

For compare contrast you don't need to put in a full sketch of the item, here you are looking as specific parts of the object rather than the whole thing. You can use a photograph of the item on page one and a basic sketch of the overall general shape to get an idea for dimensioning, but on page two redraw individual parts of the two items

annmarie98

seavill wrote: »

For compare contrast you don't need to put in a full sketch of the item, here you are looking as specific parts of the object rather than the whole thing. You can use a photograph of the item on page one and a basic sketch of the overall general shape to get an idea for dimensioning, but on page two redraw individual parts of the two items

The way I did it was put a small photo of each tap on page 1 and a small sketch of them beside it just for presentation and then on page 2 I redrew the smaller parts, just zoomed in. You hardly think they'll dock marks for using the same sketch though?

seavill

Do you mean use like screen grabs of parts of output 3 for output 2? If that is what you mean I wouldn't do that. For output two sketch the different parts again individually, away from anything else, so if you have 5 parts to your assembly, sketch those 5 parts singly onto page 2 of output 2, and compare them to the similar 5 parts in the other tap you are not doing.

I have never corrected the project but I can't see how you would get marks twice for the same sketch, it doesn't make sense

annmarie98

seavill wrote: »

Do you mean use like screen grabs of parts of output 3 for output 2? If that is what you mean I wouldn't do that. For output two sketch the different parts again individually, away from anything else, so if you have 5 parts to your assembly, sketch those 5 parts singly onto page 2 of output 2, and compare them to the similar 5 parts in the other tap you are not doing.

I have never corrected the project but I can't see how you would get marks twice for the same sketch, it doesn't make sense

Okay basically, I sketched each tap for page one of output 2 for presentation more than anything and scanned them onto the page. Then on page 2 of output 2 I sketched the smaller parts onto the page where I'm comparing them with the other tap I chose.
I was just confused on whether output 3 would have to be a completely new sketch or if I could use the sketch I did for page 1 on output 2, because my teacher said I probably won't be marked for the sketch in output 2 anyways, only output 3 and output 2 will be awarded for presentation. Would you advise that I use 2 different sketches for each output even though the main marks go for output 3 (sketching-wise) or will it be okay if I use the original sheet and add on a few different views so I can use it in output3 too?

seavill

Oh rite ok, I would use the good one you have done for output 3 only, (make sure you use the original here not the scanned version). Having a really detailed sketch in output 2 page 1 is needless. I personally wouldn't use the same thing twice in the same project.

I would just do a basic sketch for general shapes for page 1 of output 2, so if it was the sports bottle from a previous year, I would have a picture of the sports bottle and below it a sketch of a basic cylinder, I would then fill in the general measurements on the basic sketch

annmarie98

seavill wrote: »

Oh rite ok, I would use the good one you have done for output 3 only, (make sure you use the original here not the scanned version). Having a really detailed sketch in output 2 page 1 is needless. I personally wouldn't use the same thing twice in the same project.

I would just do a basic sketch for general shapes for page 1 of output 2, so if it was the sports bottle from a previous year, I would have a picture of the sports bottle and below it a sketch of a basic cylinder, I would then fill in the general measurements on the basic sketch

Okay, thanks or the advice !!

Noccy_Mondy

For those of you reading this, for the love of god, don't go tracing objects and passing them off as your own sketches. This is especially so with the compare and contrast. You can use the same image, just draw it at a different angle which clearly shows you haven't traced it. Tracing will result in 0 marks!

Raysamray

Does anyone know if all sketches need to be fully defined in solidworks? If so how many marks would you lose if you had one part of a sketch is under defined? I've been trying to finish my tap in solidworks but there just doesnt seem to be a way to fully define one of the sketches for one of my parts, however it still looks fine and the assembly looks good with everythig else fully defined. I really need to get going on the next part of the project asap but dont want to be losing too many marks on things like this, cheers

Urbex

I have no clue wether to modify my tap or to come up with a new concept design. Any ideas?

seavill

Sketches should be fully defined where at all possible. I'd imagine the marks can't be huge but why throw away any. Try to use the fix relation of nothing else works. Maybe horizontal relation etc might work.

I encourage my students to create their own design as you can go anywhere with it.
Remember it can be fully drawn as one part in a concept if you wish.

saif.khalid14

how are people doing with the mechanism of the tap ? what kind are you using and how difficult are they to draw?

Snazzy15

Have just finished outputs 3 and 8 and just remembered that i used a compass. i took me approx 1 month to do the 2 of them together. will i lose marks or is it ok. the compass on only about diameter 7 or so.

robin321

Hi all.
Question.

In the first part of the project, you select one of your "compare and contrast" images to sketch for the "Freehand graphical representation"
Does this freehand graphical representation have to be the same would you do in solid works? Or can you do the other "compare and contrast" image in solid works? Because that is what I have done

robin321

robin321 wrote: »

Hi all.
Question.

In the first part of the project, you select one of your "compare and contrast" images to sketch for the "Freehand graphical representation"
Does this freehand graphical representation have to be the same would you do in solid works? Or can you do the other "compare and contrast" image in solid works? Because that is what I have done

If I was to submit it like this how would I be marked can anyone tell me?

seavill

The solidworks is the same as the freehand sketching.
I have never corrected the projects but I would imagine you wouldn't get the marks for the freehand sketching. I can't see how you would as the project is supposed to flow from output to output. It's not a series of single pages put together

sxtn

does soap/deodorant dispensers count in this project?

spurious

sxtn wrote: »

does soap/deodorant dispensers count in this project?

I wouldn't have thought so - the brief is for a tap.

Noccy_Mondy

sxtn wrote:

does soap/deodorant dispensers count in this project?

No. It wouldn't work, as you'd have to draw the bottle itself and a tap on top. The bottle itself wouldn't be meeting the brief.

sxtn

spurious wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought so - the brief is for a tap.

yes but the definition for a tap is A DEVICE BY WHICH A FLOW OF LIQUID OR GAS FROM A PIPE OR CONTAINER CAN BE CONTROLLED. Would this not apply to soap dispensers/ optic dispenser, etc?

seavill

Can you control the flow in a soap dispenser? or is it just push the button and a particular amount comes out.

I'd say you would have to have a very unique type that fits the brief - to me a basic dispenser doesn't fit as you can't control the flow, unless there is a certain make that does, then thats a different thing

sxtn

you can control the amount in a optic dispenser though?

Noccy_Mondy

If you really wanted to do something like that, then I'd suggest doing something along the lines of this, leaving out the rest of the bottle. You really need to emphasize your point about it being a tap, and show how it incorporates the principles of a tap.



I'm assuming this is for the modification part of the project? Whatever it's for you'd want to get on it fairly rapid, there isn't long left.

seavill

By optic dispenser do you mean the thing that measures out a measure of a shot or drink in a bar? If that is what you mean can you really control the flow of that? That is set to allow X ml into the container and then when you push the glass up to it, it dispenses that full amount, or that is my understanding of it anyway, is there a way of controlling or stopping that flow?

Although thinking back on soap dispenser I suppose if you only push it down a small amount, then a little bit of soap comes out, if you push it the full way a larger amount comes out, so maybe that is controlling the flow in a way.

Have you spoken to your teacher about this? Is it for the first half of the project or the second half

sxtn

thanks Noccy_mondy! and yes seavill I have an optic dispenser already complete for my part b of the project and starting to worry if applies to the brief but my teacher has assured it is fine to have this in my project. I have applied a threading in my optic so that you can adjust the amount of liquid in the optic by screwing up or down.

hart2hart

Re DCG 2016 + I've read the brief and what exactly do they mean by A3 bound. Do you bring your project to a printers to get it bound or what's the norm?

Noccy_Mondy

hart2hart wrote:

Re DCG 2016 + I've read the brief and what exactly do they mean by A3 bound. Do you bring your project to a printers to get it bound or what's the norm?

Just get one of those swirly spines off your teacher, and they will probably bind it for you on the machine. An easy task. No need to take it outside school to do it.

hart2hart

Thank you noccy_mondy. Can I just ask an opinion - its my sons dcg project - he has it finished but while he has all his sketches and pictures etc., that are fine, the main body of the project is written in pencil and very light pencil at that and he is a tiny writer. I've asked him if it should be typed up or done in print but he says its fine and his DCG teacher doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Sorry I'm the demented mother and at 18 he knows everything.

Noccy_Mondy

If the teacher says it's fine then it probably is. Both typed and written are perfectly acceptable, if he wanted he could ink in whatever he has written in pencil, to make it stand out.

Urbex

I know this is kind of a big ask but can anyone post some sort of check list of what you should have? As in how many solidworks drawing sheets, Photorealistic, rendered pictorial views etc we need for part A and B, I know it says it on the brief but I'm still confused as to what exactly our finished product should consist of, Thanks!

seavill

http://davittcollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Student-Assignment-Checklist.pdf

Parker19

I was wondering how was everybody doing with the project I havent started Output 7 and the deadline is next week mainly because we had our pres before christmas. Do you have any tips for Output 7?

legocrazy505

Parker19 wrote: »

I was wondering how was everybody doing with the project I havent started Output 7 and the deadline is next week mainly because we had our pres before christmas. Do you have any tips for Output 7?

Rushing a lot now at this point honestly. I've got a lot done but a lot not fully finished.

Limerickham

Check out the dcg assignment guide by educate.ie if you're in a panic it'll help with part b and referencing, also has a checklist at back

CathalRyano

Do you have to reference pictures and sources? I didn't see anything in the brief saying it was necessary.

Limerickham

You must reference all work that isn't your own so websites catalogues etc that you got pics from

legocrazy505

Limerickham wrote: »

You must reference all work that isn't your own so websites catalogues etc that you got pics from

This plus you could number everything too to make it easier to see for the examiner.