Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Peist2007

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Of club players Iv checked everyone puzzled as to why not Tuesday n Thursday. Recover on Monday. Recover on Wednesday.

A small issue. Game on saturday and players had been training for months. Match is drawn so management give players a few extra days off from collective training. The recovery you mention above would have happened the next day regardless. Happens all the time. Training the week of a match like that late in the year is nothing, a bit of kicking and jogging, no more. Hard work had already been done and, i would imagine, the actual grievances with the management in place long before then.

TCDStudent1

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Of club players Iv checked everyone puzzled as to why not Tuesday n Thursday. Recover on Monday. Recover on Wednesday.

It's a tough one. There was a very short turn around between Sunday & Saturday. Personally if I was manager, I'd have liked to meet on Tuesday. But maybe there were valid reasons for not doing so?? I think it'd have been overkill to meet every evening during the week as somebody suggested in another post. Be interesting to know what Dublin did during that week, especially as they had the whole Connolly saga going on. I'd really hope the players vote has more substance behind it than not meeting enough between draw and replay.

seligehgit

Suarezistheman wrote: »

What good is being 4 points up with 15 minutes to go if you have exerted every bit of energy you have to get in that position? We still lost the game by 8. And that is what matters here. At no stage was that a comfortable lead, it was only a miracle we had not conceded any goals before we did such was the pressure our full-back line was under. They were exposed from minute one and that is down to management, not to mention the substitutions

Totally agree,we simply don't have the depth of squad the Dublins of this world have,some of the substitutions were indeed very hard to understand.

The uncomfortable truth is we are a few players short of winning an All Ireland,the full back line is shaky and we simply do not have enough top class forwards.

It will take a very special manager who is willing to put his neck on the line to get us over the line.Outside of the obvious financial reasons Jim McGuinness won't take the job,would he willing to put his reputation on the line,ditto Jack O Connor?O Connor appears to be looking into the future and another gig as manager of his native county.

A definite northern influence is required to put in place a far more solid defensive system rather than the piecemeal system which was short on match practice and ultimately unsuccessful this year.It was poorly understood by the players.

davegrohl48

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

It's a tough one. There was a very short turn around between Sunday & Saturday. Personally if I was manager, I'd have liked to meet on Tuesday. But maybe there were valid reasons for not doing so?? I think it'd have been overkill to meet every evening during the week as somebody suggested in another post. Be interesting to know what Dublin did during that week, especially as they had the whole Connolly saga going on. I'd really hope the players vote has more substance behind it than not meeting enough between draw and replay.

Meet Tuesday decide on a gameplan.
Meet Thursday practice it.

TCDStudent1

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Meet Tuesday decide on a gameplan.
Meet Thursday practice it.

Yeah that'd seem reasonable alright.... Especially as the match wasn't until 5 on Saturday so I assume travelled up on Saturday morning. If they were travelling up on Friday evening, I think you could argue that maybe meeting once would be enough. Still like I said, I think there must be more behind the vote than this issue

davegrohl48

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Yeah that'd seem reasonable alright.... Especially as the match wasn't until 5 on Saturday so I assume travelled up on Saturday morning. If they were travelling up on Friday evening, I think you could argue that maybe meeting once would be enough. Still like I said, I think there must be more behind the vote than this issue

They travelled up Friday. There would be very little in those sessions. But you dont wait till Wednesday to form a plan and talk it through with the players. Hence easy to see why no tactical changes for the replay. Wasnt organised that you could plan n practice any.

irishgeo

Ascii wrote: »

Just a thought...If Keegan voted for H+C and is it fair to say that Big Bird Barry, Cunniffe, Kirby and Durcan voted for their old manager that we possibly have 5 of the 7 identified already ?

On another note don't think this forum would be as busy if mayo won sam Maguire :-)
My phone is smoking from the alerts

I wouldn't be so sure on that. Aprerently Mr Holmes doesn't talk to one of the lads you have listed and hasn't for over a year.

davegrohl48

How are more of the 7 names being released? I was texted two more senior names put as support in the media. This has to be all made up. The vote was anonymous. Every player would and should stick to that line.

paintitwhite

davegrohl48 wrote: »

How are more of the 7 names being released? I was texted two more senior names put as support in the media. This has to be all made up. The vote was anonymous. Every player would and should stick to that line.

What senior player other than Keegan is mentioned in the media as being supportive of the current regime?

paintitwhite

Who has been named in the media bar Keegan as supportive of the joint managers?

seligehgit

Connaught Telegraph reporting Andy Moran,Tom Parsons and Mark Ronaldson supporting current management.

TCDStudent1

seligehgit wrote: »

Connaught Telegraph reporting Andy Moran,Tom Parsons and Mark Ronaldson supporting current management.

Could certainly understand Parsons and Ronaldson supporting them. They seem to be rated more highly by the current management than the previous management.

Keegan & Moran are intriguing though as they are such senior players. How many managers has Moran played under for Mayo now? He is certainly in a good position to judge the quality of the management.

seligehgit

I'm presuming 5... Maughan,Moran,O Mahony,Horan and Connelly/Holmes.

paintitwhite

From that can it be taken that the last 3 are relatively unknown players as I doubt the journalist would know just those 4 players intentions?

Fr Tod Umptious

seligehgit wrote: »

Connaught Telegraph reporting Andy Moran,Tom Parsons and Mark Ronaldson supporting current management.

What does the Connaught use to report theses days ?

twitter ?

The only football related tweet I can find in the last few hours is "Ray Lynam & The Original Hillbillies on stage again https://shar.es/17I77n via @sharethis"

Now for a bit of trivia and to pass the time can anyone tell me what the link between that tweet and Mayo GAA is ?

seligehgit

paintitwhite wrote: »

From that can it be taken that the last 3 are relatively unknown players as I doubt the journalist would know just those 4 players intentions?

Andy Moran would be one of the stalwarts of the panel, well respected and influential.Presumably a voice of reason.I doubt he'd be inclined to make rash judgements.

Tom Parsons has come to the fore under the current management,under utilised by James Horan.Partially due recurrent injury problems and a perception he was a bit too nice a player.No great surprise how he voted,Mark Ronaldson has been in and out of the setup.He got some game time v Galway,mainly played in the FBD and league and on occasion broke into the team come championship time.

neiphin

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Fr Tod Umptious

seligehgit wrote: »

Andy Moran would be one of the stalwarts of the panel, well respected and influential.Presumably a voice of reason.I doubt he'd be inclined to make rash judgements.

Tom Parsons has come to the fore under the current management,under utilised by James Horan.Partially due recurrent injury problems and a perception he was a bit too nice a player.No great surprise how he voted,Mark Ronaldson has been in and out of the setup.He got some game time v Galway,mainly played in the FBD and league and on occasion broke into the team come championship time.

Parsons and Ronadlson no surprises there, Ronaldson was even mentioned in the Mortimer family rant a few years back.
Saw very little game time other than the league so Horan might have been right.

Moran is interesting all right, I think he is certainly mature enough not to make rash judgement, which this on the face of it is, but he may also be thinking I don't need this s**t in what may be the final season of my career, give me the status quo.

davegrohl48

The Connaught Tele-rumour has no direct source from any player mentioned.

TCDStudent1

davegrohl48 wrote: »

The Connaught Tele-rumour has no direct source from any player mentioned.

In fairness, none of the 7 players who voted No would come out talking to a newspaper at this stage. Why would they? It would look like they were criticising their team-mates. And while voting No was their right, I think it would be too far if they were to come out in the media highlighting why they voted No. It would just create further divisions. Also, there is also the possibility that they voted No, but will go along with majority rules and therefore see it as end of story for them.

Uncle Ben

What happens next year if the Mayo team don't win the AI. Will they have another meeting and demand the managers head?
And secondly, if you were a manager, would you want to work with a team that have calls for votes of confidence in you.

PressRun

The CT are just intent on stirring ****.

Padkir

Suarezistheman wrote: »

What good is being 4 points up with 15 minutes to go if you have exerted every bit of energy you have to get in that position? We still lost the game by 8. And that is what matters here. At no stage was that a comfortable lead, it was only a miracle we had not conceded any goals before we did such was the pressure our full-back line was under. They were exposed from minute one and that is down to management, not to mention the substitutions

Spot on.

Also (and correct me if I'm wrong here), we had 4 midfielders on the match day squad and all 4 started did they not? What was the plan for people getting tired, injured, etc? Then engine room just shut down coming towards the end of that game.

seligehgit

Back to football matters 7 All Star nominations for Mayo

Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan
Chris Barrett
Tom Parsons
Diarmuid O Connor
Cillian O Connor
Aidan O Shea

Diarmuid nominated for young POTY.

HamsterFace

Padkir wrote: »

Spot on.

Also (and correct me if I'm wrong here), we had 4 midfielders on the match day squad and all 4 started did they not? What was the plan for people getting tired, injured, etc? Then engine room just shut down coming towards the end of that game.

To be fair, they are not necessarily speaking of the management and decision making on the day, rather the overall professionalism of the outfit and the fact that they felt it wasn't a step up from what they had previously.

Thats my understanding of it anyway.

Gary Neville

We've had this scenario in Cork, far too often in the last 15 years or so. We've now given the job of picking Senior IC Managers to 5 man committees consisting of Chairman, Sec & 3 Ex Players. Whilst it's not mandatory to elicit the opinions of current squad members, the ex-players are doing so, off-the-record. Significantly, the CB no longer pull the strings.

When the Cork CB dominated the selection process - they selected the wrong people, more often than not and players felt that their efforts were being hampered.

It seems that the Mayo CB will look to establish and address the concerns of the players and seek to retain the management on this basis. However, it's likely that battle lines are already formed with leaks to the media and comments by ex players inflaming the situation. The co-managers will be very annoyed at their treatment and as this develops, they'll only dig their heels in more. They'll probably reach a point that even if they want to walk away, they will feel that they can't - on principal. Try to imagine their annoyance at the detail in the Clerkin piece - they will feel that they are being portrayed as incompetents with no opportunity to defend.

The rights and wrongs of this and winning the media war are not really relevant.

Mayo are good enough to win an AI (with the vital slice of good luck) in the next 3 years - management has lost the dressing-room and also the opportunity of guiding this squad to winning Sam. The theatrics must stop and the co-managers must be persuaded, for the good of every party, to step aside.

Fr Tod Umptious

seligehgit wrote: »

Back to football matters 7 All Star nominations for Mayo

Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan
Chris Barrett
Tom Parsons
Diarmuid O Connor
Cillian O Connor
Aidan O Shea

Diarmuid nominated for young POTY.

Keegan is the only definite I think, AOS is a possibility, DOC is a shoe in for YPOTY.

seligehgit

Yeah Lee's a definite,Diarmuid has a decent shot,Aidan is probably an outside possibility.Rest have no chance.

robbiezero

seligehgit wrote: »

Yeah Lee's a definite,Diarmuid has a decent shot,Aidan is probably an outside possibility.Rest have no chance.

Aidan O'Shea was 1/25 last time I looked on Paddy Power. Hardly an outside shot. Will be amazed if he doesnt get one.

blue4ever

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

It would just create further divisions..

aka - there is a division already and as an outsider, one that's going to be very difficult to repair.

I'd suggest that other county supporters are looking on and thinking 'one less team to worry about on '16'.

And, not to put too fine a point on it: the tail doesn't wag the dog.

and.. as for the abuse this forum gives the Telegraph, FFS - they broke a story, there's no 'omerta' here. Some player(s) went to the Telegraph and spilled the beans after the 'covert meeting'- and now people are rounding on them.

Stop pointing the finger and anything that moves.