Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

LeoB · 05-09-2015 05:55PM

Kalyke wrote: »

I thought Kinsella s name was familiar.. He reffed us against Cork in the league , March 29th. Unremarkable as I remember. A good thing I suppose?

It is of course but I would be surprised f you meant it like that.

Anyway great game so far great scores and great to see a bit of sportsmanship on the field.

A lot of the players on both look drained. Mentally they must all be shattered/

ArielAtom · 05-09-2015 06:51PM

Well it was a better game than last week and the better team won.

FourFourRED · 05-09-2015 06:52PM

The wait goes on!

Up Kerry!

mirrorwall14 · 05-09-2015 06:59PM

We lost that one. Devastated. Again

blueser · 05-09-2015 06:59PM

The curse goes on.

mass_debater · 05-09-2015 07:01PM

blueser wrote: »

The curse goes on.

No curse, bad game plan. Should've pushed ahead when we were 4 points up. They took off all the men that were paying well, Parsons, Barry Moran. Couldn't help SOS but they left us with no midfield and completely disorganised

LeoB · 05-09-2015 07:08PM

I could not see that coming. I got some stick in work for backing Mayo.

Maybe the crap from last week took more out of them but when they went 4 points up I thought a few Dublin lads were not at the races at all, Mayo were toying with them and I expected Mayo to get another goal, some Dublin lads didn't look interested or worried and I and my wife felt Mayo were home and hosed. But it seems or looks like Dublin never panicked.

Mayo could not inject anymore into the game from about the 55th minute they looked shattered.

Full credit to both sets of players. Irrespective of the result we got some terrific scores from both sets of players. Nice to se them mixing on the field

Flange/Flanders · 05-09-2015 07:24PM

To say I'm heartbroken is an understatement. Was puzzled by the Moran substitution, maybe he was injured. Losing SOS was a big one as well I thought.

Can we all chip in a few quid and pay for the the 2 Hanley's to come home for a year or 2?!! 400k should do it I'd say!!!!

naughto · 05-09-2015 07:34PM

Leaving Kevin moloughlin on that long was shocking from the side line.
4points up and to concead 3 goals in 10 mins and they where soft goals it's like we forgot how to defend

BonnieSituation · 05-09-2015 07:35PM

mass_debater wrote: »

No curse, bad game plan. Should've pushed ahead when we were 4 points up. They took off all the men that were paying well, Parsons, Barry Moran. Couldn't help SOS but they left us with no midfield and completely disorganised

This is it here. To start delaying tactics so early in the second half was so silly.

Always felt like it was going to bite ye in the ass.

fullstop · 05-09-2015 07:54PM

naughto wrote: »

Leaving Kevin moloughlin on that long was shocking from the side line.
4points up and to concead 3 goals in 10 mins and they where soft goals it's like we forgot how to defend

First one came from Hennelly tieing his laces (trying to waste time?) then rushing the kickout. It was in the goal 10 seconds later and that was the catalyst IMO.

signostic · 05-09-2015 08:16PM

My goodness, will Mayo ever get a management team who can plan a strategy, react to situations and basically show some savvy..

Fowler87 · 05-09-2015 08:21PM

Sure **** it we go again. Hopefully the manager duo will be disbanded. Awful disappointed for me clubman Higgins who was last to leave the field.

On the game itself Keegan miss was big turning point. DOC and Durkan great finds this year. Add to the unlucky Regan were still in good shape for another AI semi in 2016

liam7831 · 05-09-2015 08:39PM

I thought when O Shea got the black card was the turning point

mass_debater · 05-09-2015 08:40PM

liam7831 wrote: »

I thought when O Shea got the black card was the turning point

Yes, it was too early to bring Andy Moran on

corny · 05-09-2015 08:58PM

I think positional, tactical and personnel issues must play second fiddle to the fact Mayo looked legless in response to Dublin upping the tempo after the goal. Once Dublin committed runners McMahon, COS, McCarthy, Fitzsimons and cut out the poor mistakes Mayo looked helpless. Reminiscent of the 2012 i thought.

Great game though. Excellent scores on both sides and played in the right spirit. Seemed to be no grudges with genuine respect at the final whistle. Redemption somewhat.

Cartman78 · 05-09-2015 08:58PM

Gutted. Yet again.

Mayo are masters at finding new ways to lose every year.

Despite not playing all that well, we were in a winning position after the goal. Then The Fear kicked in and instead of pushing on we started fannying about trying to run the clock down...absolute madness.

Is there an All Ireland in this current squad?? I think there might be but they'll need to show a lot more bottle than they did today. Let's hope they can refocus and regroup in the coming months and have another crack at it next year

mass_debater · 05-09-2015 09:02PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Is there an All Ireland in this current squad??

No without a change in management, these pair are clueless

LeoB · 05-09-2015 09:06PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

This is it here. To start delaying tactics so early in the second half was so silly.

Always felt like it was going to bite ye in the ass.

Im not so sure it was delaying tactics. When you have the ball in the modern game it is vital you keep it, use it well and I thought Mayo were doing just that. It is energy sapping to try and win ball back and to be fair Dublin looked out on their feet.

I think the difference was when Dublin got on top they kept possession waited for an opening and went for it. At times 3 Dubs were running at 2 Mayo players. On one occasion when Mayo won the ball back there were 11 Mayo players within 30 yards of Mayo goal and the players didn't have the energy to get back up the field so the few Mayo forwards were left with a blanket of Dublin defence to break down which was near impossible for any team to do, be it Kerry, Cork or anyone else.. Dublin tried to keep the ball last week and continue to attack instead of relaxing and waiting and Mayo punished them. Today they mixed it better.

Neither would I blame the management. Mayo didn't get Kevin McLoughlin on to the ball enough and when he had to go looking he was away from where he could do most damager! They like Jim Gavin are dealing with amateur players. I dont like how deep tactics have got. I think Mayo need to play lads in their best positions, leave Higgins, Keegan, Boyle, Barrett where they can play to their full potential same with A.O'S. There are good man markers but as far as possible I believe Mayo didnt play to their strengths, they have a good defence and with players like Mayo have Dublin forwards would have their hands full, same can be said of Dublin so neither got the best out of the marquee players. Keegan/Connolly cancelled each other out with Keegan probably shading that duel. Look where the Mayo scores came from last week when they needed them Higgins Keegan and Barrett or Boyle for the penalty.

While a lot of the Mayo fans are sick tonight spare a thought for the players. Today for long spells they showed great class and more importantly at the final whistle they showed it.

rebel girl 15 · 05-09-2015 09:09PM

fullstop wrote: »

First one came from Hennelly tieing his laces (trying to waste time?) then rushing the kickout. It was in the goal 10 seconds later and that was the catalyst IMO.

I think that the first goal was caused by management not being fast enough to get AOS out to midfield to cover Fenton, he made the run for the game, having previously being marked by SOS. Usually teams would go through little things like that, what happens if someone in the full back line gets the line, half back etc. Little things like that make the difference

mass_debater wrote: »

No without a change in management, these pair are clueless

What I didn't get in the first half was AOS was being marked by three men, first two balls that came in came back out. Mayo also got a couple of scoreable frees when they ran at the Dublin defense. So instead of lumping the ball in and basically giving it to Dublin, either get AOS or SOS driving hard at the backs and drawing the free. Everyone could see that Mayo were getting those frees from Dublin indiscipline, so use it

corny · 05-09-2015 09:46PM

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I think that the first goal was caused by management not being fast enough to get AOS out to midfield to cover Fenton, he made the run for the game, having previously being marked by SOS. Usually teams would go through little things like that, what happens if someone in the full back line gets the line, half back etc. Little things like that make the difference

O Shea was marking Fenton at the time. He didn't have the legs to make up the ground. Nothing to do with the management.

Blackjack · 05-09-2015 09:52PM

Fair play to Dublin, the better team overall. I thought Seamie's black card was the turning point. Completely lost our composure after that.

I thought the ref did remarkably well - we're usually quick to judge and complain, on this occasion I think he pretty much did everything right.

mickdw · 05-09-2015 10:07PM

Blackjack wrote: »

Fair play to Dublin, the better team overall. I thought Seamie's black card was the turning point. Completely lost our composure after that.

I thought the ref did remarkably well - we're usually quick to judge and complain, on this occasion I think he pretty much did everything right.

Yep ref made the game, probably alittle quick with the whistle but that was possibly on purpose to ensure he kept full control.
He played lots of advantage, allowed quick frees, got most things spot on and has a good way with the players.
He was 100 percent right giving the black card to o shea. It was idiotic what o shea did and I say that as a mayo man.

Ascii · 05-09-2015 10:25PM

I need to think long and hard before I put a post of where the game was won and lost...but some bullet points and initial thoughts from what I seen:
1. credit both sets of players for a great game...in particular instances like AOS when he got the slap on the face as he went in low for the tackle in the first half....he even gestured to Kinsella that there was nothing in it. Overall a great exhibition by amateur players
2. Don't know if I can agree with the sentiments on previous posts for blaming management. I felt for years that J Horan was slow to make changes on the line, surely the new management couldn't be the same. From being tactically aware in the game against Donegal, they did not become the sloppy management over night that some posts claim them to be. Sometimes players need to be held accountable.
3. I think the black card for SOS was a massive blow...cant understand what came over him. Still think it was a yellow not a black. The game went down him for Mayo from there. Twas probably a bot early to being AM on at that stage. If I am correct a black card is for 5 things:
A. Bodycheck
B. Deliberate trip
C. Dragging a player down
D. Mouthing off
E. Lashing out at the referee.
Don't know how it could be deemed to be a black card.
4. Don't feel Donie should have started. Seemed totally off the pace at times and was holding the shoulder. The one handed block on Ciaran Kilkenny in the first few minutes said it all.
5. I think Higgins is one of the finest players to ever wear the Mayo jersey and I admire him so much, but I just felt at while he was great pressing forward he seemed tactically naive at organising the defence when the pressure came on. People seemed at sixes and sevens at times and chasing the ball aimlessly. He has looked a little off the pace lately...I suppose I want him to stay young forever but seriously being turned the last day and with paddy Andrews getting 5 points from play today off him and Bernard running amok on chris I am slightly worried. I don't see any natural leader in the back six currently.
6. The whole AOS experiment seemed at odds again today. I don't know whether we were trying to vary the tactic or not use that channel to much but we put a handful of balls into him today and they were desperate. They were over cooked, too high, in on top of the keeper and floating in the air and the couple that did go in there was no one coming off the shoulder to assist. A few times we had to slow the play down at the crucial stage to allow help to arrive in the box. Needs to be a priority for next year to address the game plan
7. Dropping the ball into the keepers hands. Seen it against Donegal and despite doing it again the last day we did it again today...aka Leeroy to put us five up. Put the f**ken thing wide if anything, it will slow the restart if nothing else.
8. Them bastards on the sunday game...if I have to listen to spillane and brolly tell us about conceding goals or not killing the game off when we had the chance or us being the eternal masters of out own despise...I mean seriously put a bloody sock in it
9. I am unsure who I want to win the all Ireland. At this stage much as I hate the dubs I would like them to win and at least we will have been beaten by the all Ireland champions
10. Kevin Macmanam...will he ever f**k off and stop coming on as a sub and scoring goals
11. Diarmuid O C....deffo young player of the year and might even sneak an all star. Durcan great find as well and after 100 mins against a team like Dublin he has a lot to be proud of. Serious year for parsons as well. Overall the importance of unearthing new players is crucial. It is inevitable that next year we will loose dillion and maybe andy, but the importance of gently bringing in some of the 2013 all Ireland winning team is priority. The lack of winning at under 21 level is of concern to me. we have been shocking at this grade in recent years.
12. McLoughlin and Doherty not being effective for large parts of the game...out of only having 6 forwards we cant afford to have thirty per cent of them disappearing during games. In saying that Connolly and dean rock were less than effective for the dubs today.
13. They team owe us nothing overall. Seriously great entertainment for the year. Five in a row and seven all Ireland semis in 5 years we have a lot to be proud off. I am hoping for the county board run out the club championship fast and by end of oct the lads can take three months off and live a little. They are not machines after all and do have wives, girlfriends, children etc.
14. Looking forward already to 2016, getting on the road and giving the rossies a hammering in the FBD and the league
15. Maigh Eo abhu...on wards and upwards

washman3 · 05-09-2015 10:27PM

corny wrote: »

O Shea was marking Fenton at the time. He didn't have the legs to make up the ground. Nothing to do with the management.

Ya, fairly sure he was all right. But definitely the wrong player to pick up Fenton. Probably the most mobile midfielder in the game and Mayo placed the pedestrian Aidan O'Shea on him.

Loafing Oaf · 05-09-2015 10:37PM

Blackjack wrote: »

Fair play to Dublin, the better team overall. I thought Seamie's black card was the turning point. Completely lost our composure after that.

Thought it was the first Dublin goal meself, A Moran was doing okay wasn't he? Has SOS ever lost the rag like that, seemed disproportionate retaliation to a standard bit of obstruction...
But I mean if you're gonna fall to pieces when the opposition raises the green flag you're gonna struggle at the business end of the championship...

corny · 05-09-2015 10:45PM

washman3 wrote: »

Ya, fairly sure he was all right. But definitely the wrong player to pick up Fenton. Probably the most mobile midfielder in the game and Mayo placed the pedestrian Aidan O'Shea on him.

Tbh he's up **** creek against Dublin. He found keeping up with McMahon an equally impossible task.

corny · 05-09-2015 10:52PM

Ascii wrote: »

8. Them bastards on the sunday game...if I have to listen to spillane and brolly tell us about conceding goals or not killing the game off when we had the chance or us being the eternal masters of out own despise...I mean seriously put a bloody sock in it

Its just confirmation bias with Brolly. No matter what happens or what question Michael Lyster asks him you knew he was gonna talk about the 'central channel', 'Colm Boyle' etc. If he asked him about the weather he would have led with you've got to protect the central....

Spillane just agrees with him or doesn't argue because he's not capable of following anything that resembles, or sounds like in Brollys case, cogent analysis. All about Intinsity for Pat.

LeoB · 05-09-2015 10:58PM

Ascii wrote: »

I need to think long and hard before I put a post of where the game was won and lost...but some bullet points and initial thoughts from what I seen:
1. credit both sets of players for a great game...in particular instances like AOS when he got the slap on the face as he went in low for the tackle in the first half....he even gestured to Kinsella that there was nothing in it. Overall a great exhibition by amateur players
2. Don't know if I can agree with the sentiments on previous posts for blaming management. I felt for years that J Horan was slow to make changes on the line, surely the new management couldn't be the same. From being tactically aware in the game against Donegal, they did not become the sloppy management over night that some posts claim them to be. Sometimes players need to be held accountable.
3. I think the black card for SOS was a massive blow...cant understand what came over him. Still think it was a yellow not a black. The game went down him for Mayo from there. Twas probably a bot early to being AM on at that stage. If I am correct a black card is for 5 things:
A. Bodycheck
B. Deliberate trip
C. Dragging a player down
D. Mouthing off
E. Lashing out at the referee.
Don't know how it could be deemed to be a black card.
4. Don't feel Donie should have started. Seemed totally off the pace at times and was holding the shoulder. The one handed block on Ciaran Kilkenny in the first few minutes said it all.
5. I think Higgins is one of the finest players to ever wear the Mayo jersey and I admire him so much, but I just felt at while he was great pressing forward he seemed tactically naive at organising the defence when the pressure came on. People seemed at sixes and sevens at times and chasing the ball aimlessly. He has looked a little off the pace lately...I suppose I want him to stay young forever but seriously being turned the last day and with paddy Andrews getting 5 points from play today off him and Bernard running amok on chris I am slightly worried. I don't see any natural leader in the back six currently.
6. The whole AOS experiment seemed at odds again today. I don't know whether we were trying to vary the tactic or not use that channel to much but we put a handful of balls into him today and they were desperate. They were over cooked, too high, in on top of the keeper and floating in the air and the couple that did go in there was no one coming off the shoulder to assist. A few times we had to slow the play down at the crucial stage to allow help to arrive in the box. Needs to be a priority for next year to address the game plan
7. Dropping the ball into the keepers hands. Seen it against Donegal and despite doing it again the last day we did it again today...aka Leeroy to put us five up. Put the f**ken thing wide if anything, it will slow the restart if nothing else.
8. Them bastards on the sunday game...if I have to listen to spillane and brolly tell us about conceding goals or not killing the game off when we had the chance or us being the eternal masters of out own despise...I mean seriously put a bloody sock in it
9. I am unsure who I want to win the all Ireland. At this stage much as I hate the dubs I would like them to win and at least we will have been beaten by the all Ireland champions
10. Kevin Macmanam...will he ever f**k off and stop coming on as a sub and scoring goals
11. Diarmuid O C....deffo young player of the year and might even sneak an all star. Durcan great find as well and after 100 mins against a team like Dublin he has a lot to be proud of. Serious year for parsons as well. Overall the importance of unearthing new players is crucial. It is inevitable that next year we will loose dillion and maybe andy, but the importance of gently bringing in some of the 2013 all Ireland winning team is priority. The lack of winning at under 21 level is of concern to me. we have been shocking at this grade in recent years.
12. McLoughlin and Doherty not being effective for large parts of the game...out of only having 6 forwards we cant afford to have thirty per cent of them disappearing during games. In saying that Connolly and dean rock were less than effective for the dubs today.
13. They team owe us nothing overall. Seriously great entertainment for the year. Five in a row and seven all Ireland semis in 5 years we have a lot to be proud off. I am hoping for the county board run out the club championship fast and by end of oct the lads can take three months off and live a little. They are not machines after all and do have wives, girlfriends, children etc.
14. Looking forward already to 2016, getting on the road and giving the rossies a hammering in the FBD and the league
15. Maigh Eo abhu...on wards and upwards

That is a great post. Agree with just about everything you say in particular points
1. A. O'S showed the right spirit in that incident. Players are moving so quickly and are so strong a simple slap can do serious damage. But a lot of these lads have gone to collage together and know each other and despite last weeks game all can be proud of the what they served us in the last 2 games

5 Higgins is one of the finest players I have ever seen, on a par with most of the great Kerry players and arguably the best player over the last 5 years but like Paul Flynn looks very flat at moment. They should not play any football in the national league at all.

6 The whole tactical thing to me is a pain in the ass. When you have players like Higgins, Barrett Boyle Keegan A.O'S, Cillian OConnor let the other teams worry about you. While teams plan for the opposition what damage is it doing their own game. Keegan followed Connolly to edge of the square. Connolly was having a poor game but I think it took away a serious threat from the Mayo armoury

8 Them B****RDS on the Sunday game..... We felt exactly like that last week when it was felt Dublin players were unfairly singled out by McStay. I spoke to Pat Spillane and he genuinely felt, like me Mayo could win the All-Ireland this year

10 I wish he would play a full game for Dublin. Played against us last year in club game and the fckr destroyed us. He is deceptively big and quick and very hard to tackle

12. Felt McLoughlin didnt get on the ball enough or Mayo didn't use him enough. Very good player

13, 14 & 15.
Bang on here. We all forget the sacrifices these lads make. After games we can go for a drink or a bag of chips while these lads are planning a recovery session, work or collage, seeing their families and missing out on a lot of stuff. Every lad who took part in these games should be given a holiday for him and his partner and kids. WE OWE THEM.

05-09-2015 11:08PM

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I think that the first goal was caused by management not being fast enough to get AOS out to midfield to cover Fenton, he made the run for the game, having previously being marked by SOS. Usually teams would go through little things like that, what happens if someone in the full back line gets the line, half back etc. Little things like that make the difference

What I didn't get in the first half was AOS was being marked by three men, first two balls that came in came back out. Mayo also got a couple of scoreable frees when they ran at the Dublin defense. So instead of lumping the ball in and basically giving it to Dublin, either get AOS or SOS driving hard at the backs and drawing the free. Everyone could see that Mayo were getting those frees from Dublin indiscipline, so use it

Some very naive management decisions today.

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