Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

seamus

tomasrojo wrote: »

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7EryJY_jCqg/V_SRJNyRw7I/AAAAAAABKKY/J2N5cfJCt5YxcIKKf1OdIwqH5JAYM3ilACLcB/s1600/mad+lib.jpeg

In all seriousness, I'm amazed at the amount of apparently world-class athletes who "need" "legal" prescriptions in order to keep their bodies going.

When very few people I know are taking anything at all any of the time.

But it does beg a question - all those little twinges and tweaks that us mere plebs experience and shrug off and power through; could it be reasonable that a top-level athlete has been instructed to bring every pain and ache to the doctor's attention, no matter how minor?
And that these prescriptions are indeed being given to treat symptoms which the rest of us plebs wouldn't even think twice about, but which could make that half-second difference at the elite level?

Which of course has a follow-on question too; At what point is a doctor treating a genuine malady and when does that cross the line into masking the human condition and "doping" the athlete.

Chuchote

seamus wrote: »

Sig:
If in doubt about the right choice to make;

Make the one that would make your Grandparents sick and your Grandchildren proud. And not the other way around.

Surely this depends on the character both of your grandparents and your grandchildren? What about if your grandma was a Red-Hot Mama, and your grandchildren are dull and greedy little stockbrokers?

seamus

So be it. The grandparents are dead, they don't have to live with your choices.

Chuchote

seamus wrote: »

So be it. The grandparents are dead, they don't have to live with your choices.

Yeah, and maybe if they're like this voh-dee-oh-doh baby, they'd look at your choices, pick up their cocktail and say "Dahling, you call that risk?"

LollipopJimmy

seamus wrote: »

In all seriousness, I'm amazed at the amount of apparently world-class athletes who "need" "legal" prescriptions in order to keep their bodies going.

When very few people I know are taking anything at all any of the time.

But it does beg a question - all those little twinges and tweaks that us mere plebs experience and shrug off and power through; could it be reasonable that a top-level athlete has been instructed to bring every pain and ache to the doctor's attention, no matter how minor?
And that these prescriptions are indeed being given to treat symptoms which the rest of us plebs wouldn't even think twice about, but which could make that half-second difference at the elite level?

Which of course has a follow-on question too; At what point is a doctor treating a genuine malady and when does that cross the line into masking the human condition and "doping" the athlete.

To my (very) simple mind if you take it that a mere pleb is say a 1.4petrol Ford Focus and an athlete is a WRC Ford Focus, the 1.4 will get you to work while being held together with hopes and dreams but the WRC car won't win you a rally championship unless everything is Tip Top, including fresh oil

I had to drive in today, selling a car to somebody in work, sitting on the canal this morning I was undertaken by 3 motorcycles in the cycle lane. This makes me really uncomfortable (from a cyclists POV). Anybody know the legislation around this? Cycle lane with a solid line

tomasrojo

Chuchote wrote: »

"Dahling, you call that risk?"

tomasrojo

seamus wrote: »

In all seriousness, I'm amazed at the amount of apparently world-class athletes who "need" "legal" prescriptions in order to keep their bodies going.

Surprising how many have heart conditions too.

tomasrojo

Chuchote wrote: »

You did, begob! I'm cycling over daily to walk a friend's dogs while she's away. Next time, say hi!

Yeah, I would have yesterday, but you were on the other side of the road. Think you'd just come out of the side road that runs along the Dodder to the west, and I was heading towards UCD.

Also, if it hadn't been you, me bellowing explanations across the road would have been tricky.

magicbastarder

you're relatively lucky though in the username you chose, when you're considering introducing yourself to someone you *think* is a boards user you only know online.

seamus

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I had to drive in today, selling a car to somebody in work, sitting on the canal this morning I was undertaken by 3 motorcycles in the cycle lane. This makes me really uncomfortable (from a cyclists POV). Anybody know the legislation around this? Cycle lane with a solid line

Completely illegal. And very annoying. Worst around the canal because the're usually very little space to overtake on the right.

tomasrojo

magicbastarder wrote: »

you're relatively lucky though in the username you chose, when you're considering introducing yourself to someone you *think* is a boards user you only know online.

I introduced myself to -Chris- who used to post here. He locked beside me in Rathmines, and I recognised his Fahgettaboudit lock from the electrical tape on it, as he'd posted a picture that included the lock once. He seemed quite bewildered and closed his account shortly after. I hope he didn't think I was stalking him or something. My mind just works that way.

I talked to Keep_Her_Lit on two occasions, whom I recognised from his distinctive, vespinely striped bike.

And Doctor Bob recognised me once, from my guitar trailer and unfeasible collection of lights.

Chuchote

seamus wrote: »

Completely illegal. And very annoying. Worst around the canal because the're usually very little space to overtake on the right.

Can anyone quote the actual law on this?

Beasty

Half the Irish cycling world seem to refer to me as Beasty. Confuses the hell out of the family who have no idea of my online persona!

Doctor Bob

tomasrojo wrote: »

And Doctor Bob recognised me once, from my guitar trailer and unfeasible collection of lights.

You're harder to spot now, given the rise of bakfietsen in Dublin. But if I get close enough to look for a cork and some repurposed IKEA bathroom bits I'll say Hi again.

daragh_

Generally I find motorbike riders the most aware road users and most likely to give cyclists space.

Yesterday on the Merrion Road heading southbound a bloke on a really nice looking and very high powered (to my uneducated eye) motorbike tried to cut into the bike lane, as traffic was at a standstill between the British Embassy and and the next set of lights.

I really don't know what he was thinking. There were scores of bikes, mostly slow moving. At least three that I saw had kids on the back, so an entirely inappropriate place to attempt to ride a motorbike.

I let a roar at him and used some fairly robust language. He drove behind me in the bike lane (because at this point he had nowhere else to go) revving at me to intimidate me. There was a break in the cars shortly after so he nipped out of the bike lane drove on the wrong side of the road to the next lights

Funnily enough when he was stopped at the lights this paragon of motoring bravery didn't have anything to say?

Idleater

daragh_ wrote: »

Funnily enough when he was stopped at the lights this paragon of motoring bravery didn't have anything to say?

The Roscommon man in his 06 318d that shouted "trucking cyclists" at me making my way past despite him being clearly blocked by a taxi stuck changing lanes (thus blocking two) makes up for the silent reflective one.

Peterx

Any of you fine people know if there is a process or a contact I could use to try and return an Ultegra cracked driveshaft to Shimano?
It came off a second hand bike so I didn't buy it from new.

De Bhál

Idleater wrote: »

The Roscommon man in his 06 318d that shouted "trucking cyclists" at me making my way past despite him being clearly blocked by a taxi stuck changing lanes (thus blocking two) makes up for the silent reflective one.

That's a compliment, you're trucking.

magicbastarder

Peterx wrote: »

Any of you fine people know if there is a process or a contact I could use to try and return an Ultegra cracked driveshaft to Shimano?
It came off a second hand bike so I didn't buy it from new.

you're hoping they'll replace it?

Peterx

magicbastarder wrote: »

you're hoping they'll replace it?

Yes. It split along the hollow shaft. I am hardly Mr. Max Power.

magicbastarder

how old is it? and given you're not max power, they may have a reasonable defence that you do not know if it was somehow mistreated by the previous owner.
that said, no harm in appealing to their generous side.
shimano normark UK seem to be the distributors for ireland.
http://www.shimano.com/content/eu/en/Home/distributors.html

Chuchote

magicbastarder wrote: »

shimano normark UK seem to be the distributors for ireland.

And this is so for most bike-related things. How will Brexit affect this trade, with two lots of customs and tariffs, one going into Britain and one coming out. Will we switch our bike suppliers to France?

rollingscone

Chuchote wrote: »

Can anyone quote the actual law on this?

Motorcyclists are the same as cars under the RTA. The difference being that filtering on the right (basically a continuous overtaking manoeuvre) is accepted under common law (not statute afaik).

Undertaking traffic could constitute driving without due caution in s cycle lane this would be emphasised but again I'm guessing not in statute given the courts variable position on cars driving in cycle lanes.

LollipopJimmy

rollingscone wrote: »

Motorcyclists are the same as cars under the RTA. The difference being that filtering on the right (basically a continuous overtaking manoeuvre) is accepted under common law (not statute afaik).

Undertaking traffic could constitute driving without due caution in s cycle lane this would be emphasised but again I'm guessing not in statute given the courts variable position on cars driving in cycle lanes.

So it's the undertaking that's illegal rather than using the cycle lane?

ford2600

Peterx wrote: »

Any of you fine people know if there is a process or a contact I could use to try and return an Ultegra cracked driveshaft to Shimano?
It came off a second hand bike so I didn't buy it from new.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13064693

Happened a club mate lately also, again with a 6800 crankset.

If you had it from new I'd expect a replacement but being 2nd hand I doubt that they will do much for you

seamus

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

So it's the undertaking that's illegal rather than using the cycle lane?

Yes and no.

Where it's a non-mandatory cycle lane, then the undertaking rules come into play.

Where it's a mandatory cycle lane, motorcycles are not permitted to use it.

Peterx

ford2600 wrote: »

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13064693

Happened a club mate lately also, again with a 6800 crankset.

If you had it from new I'd expect a replacement but being 2nd hand I doubt that they will do much for you

That's a nasty failure mode, as they say. In my case the hollow shaft that goes through the frame cracked in two.
In fairness I don't actually think they are obliged to replace a second hand part from a 5 year old bike but I think they might

Peterx

Weepsie wrote: »

Don't imagine you have much comeback there. Was it a private sale?

Yes. and yes.

Peterx

Chuchote wrote: »

And this is so for most bike-related things. How will Brexit affect this trade, with two lots of customs and tariffs, one going into Britain and one coming out. Will we switch our bike suppliers to France?

Preferably we get our own territory and our own suppliers.

Wishbone Ash

Beasty wrote: »

Half the Irish cycling world seem to refer to me as Beasty. Confuses the hell out of the family who have no idea of my online persona!

I was at a talk one time and a person at the top table kept referring to you as Beasty which I thought must have been very strange to the non- Boardsies present.