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Billy Walsh quits ** SEE MOD WARNING #643 BEFORE POSTING

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    #302
    efb
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    Barnes doesn't ever strike me as an amenable fellow


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    #303
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    Barnes doesn't ever strike me as an amenable fellow

    I kind of feel the same. But at least the guy is direct. Even if that is part of his problem.

    I read that Bernard Dunne also intimated the same view as Paddy. I think Bernard thinks that Billy got too big for his boots.


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    #304
    efb
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/iaba-to-hold-emergency-meeting-after-kieran-mulvey-threat-1.2400033


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    #305
    Joe_ Public
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    walshb wrote: »
    It was quite an isulting comment whether true or not true. And it wasn't a slip of the toungue either.

    I don't believe you are a troll, not intentionally anyway, but it's hard to work out. I can list probably 10 boxers who have praised Billy Walsh and that won't count, but yet something Paddy Barnes says we are meant to take as offering some critical truth. I try to respect all positions and learn from counter-arguments, but finding it more and more difficult to take what you say seriously. And I mean that with all due respect.


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    #306
    efb
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    walshb wrote: »
    I kind of feel the same. But at least the guy is direct. Even if that is part of his problem.

    I read that Bernard Dunne also intimated the same view as Paddy. I think Bernard thinks that Billy got too big for his boots.

    That's why he has to beg for sponsors- who'd touch him. He's a hot head


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    #307
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    Maybe he'd get more that bronze...

    Barnes IMO beat Zou in London, and would have walked the final.


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    #308
    efb
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    Katie Taylor spoke very highly of him, and we've never had a more successful boxer in the organisation


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    #309
    walshb
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    I don't believe you are a troll, not intentionally anyway, but it's hard to work out. I can list probably 10 boxers who have praised Billy Walsh and that won't count, but yet something Paddy Barnes says we are meant to take as offering some critical truth. I try to respect all positions and learn from counter-arguments, but finding it more and more difficult to take what you say seriously. And I mean that with all due respect.

    Hold on....Are you taking my post about Barnes' comment as something to bolster my view? It's the complete opposite. I was clear: The comment was insulting IMO. I just mentioned the comment in regard to this affair.


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    #310
    efb
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    walshb wrote: »
    Barnes IMO beat Zou in London, and would have walked the final.

    He didn't. It wasn't rigged. He lost fairly and squarely by the rules of scoring Amateur Boxing, and that's my qualified opinion


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    #311
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    Katie Taylor spoke very highly of him, and we've never had a more successful boxer in the organisation

    Yes, amongst others.

    Billy seems to have a very good rapport and respect with the boxers. I don't think anyone has implied otherwise. I am sure there are some boxers who aren't overly fond, but that's life.


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    #312
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    He didn't. It wasn't rigged. He lost fairly and squarely by the rules of scoring Amateur Boxing, and that's my qualified opinion

    Who said it was rigged? I just thought that he did enough to win. It wasn't a robbery.


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    #313
    efb
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    walshb wrote: »
    Who said it was rigged? I just thought that he did enough to win. It wasn't a robbery.

    What score did you have???


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    #314
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    What score did you have???

    I can't recall. Anyway, it was on the computer scores. I don't believe I sat there pressing buttons. I would have to go watch it again. It was 3 + years ago. Close fight no doubt. I just remember at the time feeling that Barnew won it, and I was gutted for him.


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    http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/1021/736448-kieran-mulvey-attacks-iaba-over-walsh-exit/

    Plenty more from Kieran Mulvey. It's utterly damning for the IABA and Fergal Carruth, whose position looks to be untenable now.

    Highlights include: "In my five years as chairman of the Irish Sporting Council it would be my view that what we’ve been trying manage over the last five years in a dysfunctional arrangement. I’m putting it mildly when I say that."

    "The high performance coach or head coach could not engage with the Olympic Council of Ireland, the Irish Sports Council or the media without the written permission of the CEO. Imagine Joe Scmidt being told he had to contact Phillip Brown every time he selected a team or he could talk to the media. This in unconscionable and it’s unacceptable."

    "How is it that we’ve got to this stage? How is it that on 24 hours before Billy Walsh departs for the United States to talk up an appointment that will put him in direct challenge with Ireland that all they say is a one paragraph ‘thank you very much and goodbye’. I've never seen such crocodile tears in my life.”


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    #316
    Joe_ Public
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    walshb wrote: »
    Hold on....Are you taking my post about Barnes' comment as something to bolster my view? It's the complete opposite. I was clear: The comment was insulting IMO. I juts mentioned the comment in regard to this affair.

    Okay fair enough, wrong interpretation on my part. Apologies for that. Paddy always comes across as his own man, looking out for himself, and that's fair enough in many ways. Has had a few rants about the IABA too in recent times. Doesn't bother me if boxers don't like Billy, the key is they respect him and I believe the majority of them do.


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    #317
    Joe_ Public
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Plenty more from Kieran Mulvey. It's utterly damning for the IABA and Fergal Carruth, whose position looks to be untenable now.

    Highlights include: "In my five years as chairman of the Irish Sporting Council it would be my view that what we’ve been trying manage over the last five years in a dysfunctional arrangement. I’m putting it mildly when I say that."

    "The high performance coach or head coach could not engage with the Olympic Council of Ireland, the Irish Sports Council or the media without the written permission of the CEO. Imagine Joe Scmidt being told he had to contact Phillip Brown every time he selected a team or he could talk to the media. This in unconscionable and it’s unacceptable."

    "How is it that we’ve got to this stage? How is it that on 24 hours before Billy Walsh departs for the United States to talk up an appointment that will put him in direct challenge with Ireland that all they say is a one paragraph ‘thank you very much and goodbye’. I've never seen such crocodile tears in my life.”

    I'd have wondered whether there's more to it than the media thing to be honest. The way he's talking about it, it should only be a symptom of a much wider malaise.


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    #318
    efb
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    walshb wrote: »
    I can't recall. Anyway, it was on the computer scores. I don't believe I sat there pressing buttons. I would have to go watch it again. It was 3 + years ago. Close fight no doubt. I just remember at the time feeling that Barnew won it, and I was gutted for him.

    Oh and Ken Egan was beaten fairly too


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    #319
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    Oh and Ken Egan was beaten fairly too

    I believe that Egan lost a very close decision in Beijing.


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    efb
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    walshb wrote: »
    I believe that Egan lost a very close decision in Beijing.

    It wasn't close impo


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    #321
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    It wasn't close impo

    Don't let Kenny and some here hear you saying that!


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    #322
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    walshb wrote: »
    Don't let Kenny and some here hear you saying that!

    I'm hardly going to say that. I congratulated him on his silver medal


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    #323
    efb
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    walshb wrote: »
    Don't let Kenny and some here hear you saying that!

    Most R/J's I spoke with thought the same


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    #324
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    Most R/J's I spoke with thought the same

    I remember how the Irish delegation let thmselves down in Beijing by slagging the judges and claiming robbery. It was bang out of order, and painted us as nothing but sore losers. Even if it was a robbery, which it wasn't, they should have showed a lot more class and held their toungues.


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    #325
    efb
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    walshb wrote: »
    I remember how the Irish delegation let thmselves down in Beijing by slagging the judges and claiming robbery. It was bang out of order, and painted us as nothing but sore losers. Even if it was a robbery, which it wasn't, they should have showed a lot more class and held their toungues.

    The biggest robbery I saw was the French boxer beaten in the semi in London, he died in a plane crash last year.


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    #326
    Joe_ Public
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    It's Councillor Kenneth now guys, please give him the respect he demands ;)

    I agree they went a bit over the top after the Beijing fight. I think in the main you have to be careful in choosing the tight decisions you complain publicly about so when it comes to the genuinely incorrect calls, people understand you are not just crying wolf again. As is the case with Michael O'Reilly.


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    #327
    walshb
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    efb wrote: »
    The biggest robbery I saw was the French boxer beaten in the semi in London, he died in a plane crash last year.

    Vastine? Quality boxer. I think he lost in the 2008 final against JJJs conqueror. Maybe it was the semis.


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    #328
    Joe_ Public
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    walshb wrote: »
    Vastine? Quality boxer. I think he lost in the 2008 final against JJJs conqueror. Maybe it was the semis.

    Think I remember him falling to the canvas after the decision, totally inconsolable. Was it even the first time he' been done?


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    #329
    walshb
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    It's Councillor Kenneth now guys, please give him the respect he demands ;)

    I agree they went a bit over the top after the Beijing fight. I think in the main you have to be careful in choosing the tight decisions you complain publicly about so when it comes to the genuinely incorrect calls, people understand you are not just crying wolf again. As is the case with Michael O'Reilly.

    I had O'Reilly winning that fight, but it was a compettitve fight. The opponent was likely getting scored for his come foward approach.

    I can understand boxers being really annoyed and frustrated right after a loss, but they and their teams need to show respect and restraint. I have never liked that such public whingeing about robbery this and robbery that.

    I am sure there are rules and guidelines about such public criticism being spouted about organisations and events and tournaments. Similar to rules in the soccer whereby a charge of bringing the game into disrepute applies.


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    #330
    efb
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Think I remember him falling to the canvas after the decision, totally inconsolable. Was it even the first time he' been done?

    No. The French don't seem to get decisions.


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    efb
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    I could see the O'Reilly fight go either way, I could see how you could give rounds to either. Wasn't a blatant Robbery at all


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