WhoWillGo poll : Marmion vs Boss

connachta · 22-08-2015 5:00pm

thebaz wrote: »

no joke - i know who i'd pick right now - Marmion time will come , but he hasn't progressed over the past 6 months - fact

what is true , no one here seams to appreciate what Boss has brought to the Irish game - constantly ridiculed

He's got a blank period for a few months, and Boss one last gasp. That doesn't mean in any case Boss is better

aimee1 · 22-08-2015 5:20pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

Even more bad news Connachta.......Alan Quinlan didn't pick Marmion in his RWC squad :O

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/world-cup/alan-quinlan-my-31man-world-cup-squad-with-dave-kearney-darcy-and-moore-among-the-casualties-31469595.html

if moore and trimble dont make it then white and kearney are obvious replacements. otherwise i agree with quinlan's selection.

Mc Love · 22-08-2015 5:32pm

Marmion should be ahead of Boss - the poll is fixed.

In saying that, St Joe is making a big mistake by not having picked Duncan Williams!

22-08-2015 5:56pm

I used to be looking forward to the start of the RWC to see all the rugby and cheer for Ireland.

I'm now solely looking forward to it starting so this discussion will stop.

Zzippy · 22-08-2015 6:05pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I used to be looking forward to the start of the RWC to see all the rugby and cheer for Ireland.

I'm now solely looking forward to it starting so this discussion will stop.

total former wrote: »

I don't in a million years think this will happen, but it might nearly be the best outcome in terms of the board being bearable.

Getting close to backseat moderation lads. People are entitled to debate what they feel are legitimate points. Discussion has moved to this thread, which neither of you are forced to read. If you have nothing to contribute to the actual discussion, don't bother posting.

total former · 22-08-2015 6:07pm

Fair point, deleted.

The Rape of Lucretia · 22-08-2015 6:08pm

total former wrote: »

I don't in a million years think this will happen, but it might nearly be the best outcome in terms of the board being bearable.

If it were the outcome, given that Madigan would be the cover, would there be case for Murray and Marmion being the best pairing to bring. Giving the option of both Reddan and Boss to call up in the case of an injury ?
It saves a place on the bench as well, meaning you could have both Madigan and Jackson there as cover or tactical subs. Jackson, Madigan, and Zeebededooda as subs would give a lot of options.
And then Marmion could start the minnow games and play all 80 minutes.

Losty Dublin · 22-08-2015 7:04pm

In the RWC's of 2011, 2007 and 2003 Ireland took 3 Scrum Half's. It's the one position in the backs that is utterly unique and specialist. The cover is vital so it's pointless to suggest traveling with two.

My only thought on Marmion's release is that he needs game time to buck up. Realistically he'll only go if Boss/Reddan/Murray are injured in the next 2 weeks; if you say he'd be lucky to be asked over Williams then I'd nearly agree with you.

Witheringeye · 22-08-2015 7:20pm

Just a thought. I was thinking about the lions tour in 2013 and IIRC gats only brought sexton and Farrell as his two 20s and Stuart Hogg in case of emergency. I think there is a chance of neither of them making it

irishbucsfan · 22-08-2015 7:25pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

Just a thought. I was thinking about the lions tour in 2013 and IIRC gats only brought sexton and Farrell as his two 20s and Stuart Hogg in case of emergency. I think there is a chance of neither of them making it

Well the squad rules for the Lions are very different. Hogg could cover 10. Which other player in our squad covers 9?

I'd be shocked if Marmion or Boss are both at home.

aimee1 · 22-08-2015 7:31pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

Just a thought. I was thinking about the lions tour in 2013 and IIRC gats only brought sexton and Farrell as his two 20s and Stuart Hogg in case of emergency. I think there is a chance of neither of them making it

and if one got injured and was out for 2 weeks there was no restrictions on call ups.

If Murray gets injured versus Italy, and is unable to play france, can we really go into that game with no reserve 9?

Yeah_Right · 22-08-2015 7:37pm

It's one of the big differences between the RWC and tours. On a tour the travelling team might have a few guys in country on "sponsors" duty and they will be training with the team. In the RWC this isn't allowed. Only the named 31 can train.

total former · 22-08-2015 7:38pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

Just a thought. I was thinking about the lions tour in 2013 and IIRC gats only brought sexton and Farrell as his two 20s and Stuart Hogg in case of emergency. I think there is a chance of neither of them making it

On this, Hogg didn't go as emergency cover, he started one (maybe two?) games.

.ak · 22-08-2015 7:45pm

total former wrote: »

On this, Hogg didn't go as emergency cover, he started one (maybe two?) games.

I suppose he'd be emergency cover for the tests tho.

Witheringeye · 22-08-2015 7:50pm

I know there are subtle differences but if Farrell had gotten injured I think Hogg would have benched so it doesn't make that much difference. I'm just saying there's precedent of a coach leaving themselves open to a small tail risk that had a major upside he majority of the time. I just don't think it can be ruled out as a possibility.
Still think boss will travel though

Interested Observer · 22-08-2015 8:23pm

This post isn't about what should happen but about what I think will happen: Marmion has little or no chance of making the squad imo. He's barely been involved under Schmidt so far, not going to go to the RWC out of the blue.

smiley_face · 22-08-2015 11:11pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

In the RWC's of 2011, 2007 and 2003 Ireland took 3 Scrum Half's. It's the one position in the backs that is utterly unique and specialist. The cover is vital so it's pointless to suggest traveling with two.

Australia, Samoa and Argentina have only named 2 scrumhalves,
as have Uruguay and United States.

It's a talking point, Ireland have options, Madigan covering 9 would be ideal, allowing us bring another player, possibly a 6th prop, or take Jones as fullback cover.

Anyway, point is it's not "pointless" to consider the options and debate them.

Squidgy Black · 22-08-2015 11:24pm

smiley_face wrote: »

It's a talking point, Ireland have options, Madigan covering 9 would be ideal, allowing us bring another player, possibly a 6th prop, or take Jones as fullback cover.

Yeah but the problem is Madigan doesn't actually play 9, he's not like Michalak or Laidlaw. Giteau can cover 9 for the Aussies.

thebaz · 23-08-2015 1:23am

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Yeah but the problem is Madigan doesn't actually play 9, he's not like Michalak or Laidlaw. Giteau can cover 9 for the Aussies.

i think Madigan has the attributes to make a good SH - I know a WC is not the time to experiment - but, from my experience most good 10's can usualy become good 9's - 10's are usually talented ball players , the pass is usually the main issue in converting (my experience is just club level

total former · 23-08-2015 8:59am

http://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/world-cup/comment/schmidt-keeps-punters-guessing-on-world-cup-gamble-31470706.html

Brendan Fanning weighs into the two SHs discussion, concludes that it's very risky and extremely unlikely.

If there was a concrete benefit to it, then grand, but I just don't see why Joe would bother when there's little or no upside.

vienne86 · 23-08-2015 9:18am

I can't see Marmion going......but I'll admit that I haven't seen much of him.

connachta · 23-08-2015 10:29am

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Yeah but the problem is Madigan doesn't actually play 9, he's not like Michalak or Laidlaw. Giteau can cover 9 for the Aussies.

We actually have a Irish 9.5, and a talented one : James Hart from Grenoble. Of course it's too late, the camp integration means it has to be a Boss/Marmion head-to-head, but it's to consider for 2019...

Squidgy Black · 23-08-2015 10:42am

connachta wrote: »

We actually have a Irish 9.5, and a talented one : James Hart from Grenoble. Of course it's too late, the camp integration means it has to be a Boss/Marmion head-to-head, but it's to consider for 2019...

Had a rough year last year with a back injury and lost his starting place. He'd be an interesting prospect to see playing for one of the provinces alright, was unlucky that the year he was trying to get into the Leinster academy was the same year as Cooney and McGrath

phog · 23-08-2015 10:46am

I can't see Boss not going now but fwiw I'd take a punt on Marmion. Both are use in case of emergency and Boss looked slow and ponderous v Wales. Can Marmion be as bad. Friday night suggests he wouldn't be.

sydthebeat · 23-08-2015 11:28am

It doesn't bother me either way which goes

connachta · 23-08-2015 12:02pm

For those who were scorful toward this debate 2000 viewers, 56 posts and 90 voters (and quite close 56%-44%) in a single day are the best answer.
And you can notice how honest I was I asked WWgo, not who should. And still a tight result, it isn't over yet

Buer · 23-08-2015 12:10pm

connachta wrote: »

For those who were scorful toward this debate 2000 viewers, 56 posts and 90 voters (and quite close 56%-44%) in a single day are the best answer.
And you can notice how honest I was I asked WWgo, not who should. And still a tight result, it isn't over yet

I'm just impressed you managed to register so many accounts in a single day.

Buer · 23-08-2015 12:13pm

connachta wrote: »

We actually have a Irish 9.5, and a talented one : James Hart from Grenoble. Of course it's too late, the camp integration means it has to be a Boss/Marmion head-to-head, but it's to consider for 2019...

He has played at 10 once in his professional career. Don't think it's reasonable for him to be considered 9/10 player.

Plus he won't be in the reckoning at all unless he returns to Ireland.

Tox56 · 23-08-2015 2:01pm

phog wrote: »

I can't see Boss not going now but fwiw I'd take a punt on Marmion. Both are use in case of emergency and Boss looked slow and ponderous v Wales. Can Marmion be as bad. Friday night suggests he wouldn't be.

If they had to come on after 50 minutes in a World Cup semi final I would have no faith in Marmion being better than Boss for us at that stage, and that's basically what it boils down to for me.

Judging it on Friday night is pointless, it tells us nothing , literally nothing, about how Marmion would fare in the above scenario

connachta · 23-08-2015 2:37pm

Buer wrote: »

I'm just impressed you managed to register so many accounts in a single day.

Was waiting for the accusation, look at the profiles, they all sent hundreds of messages. impossible to do that in 24 h. You just can't admit it is captivating:D

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