Changing terminology in Ireland

Into The Blue

pablo128 wrote: »

What's the story with 'multiple' being used in posts? I have never heard an Irish person using this word in general conversation. Fcuking Americanisms!:mad:

You've a problem with 'multiple', but not 'Americanisms'.. Hardly something you'd hear on moore st..

Into The Blue

ComfortKid wrote: »

Go into any shop and ask where the buns are, I'm almost certain you will be sent to confectionery and not to the burger buns!

Or they'll ask you which type you want

Samaris

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Our anthem is outdated, embarrassing, masochistic jibberish and should be replaced. Imagine our signature song being about fighting our nearest neighbours... a hundred years ago. Cringe.

Have you listened to almost any national anthem? Look, if the anthem's not about war, blood, tribalistic hatreds, a catchy chorus and at least one line that everyone mumbles through because they don't know the lyrics followed by something that can be bellowed at the end...you're doing it wrong.

Its really not taken seriously, especially when, let's be frank, almost no-one understands what they're singing anyway. If you dont believe me, ask the nearest three people what a bearna baoill is... Or possibly bearna beal.

OldMrBrennan83

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Qualitymark

Samaris wrote: »

Its really not taken seriously, especially when, let's be frank, almost no-one understands what they're singing anyway. If you dont believe me, ask the nearest three people what a bearna baoill is... Or possibly bearna beal.

Which is why they're now starting to teach children their national anthem in school. Bearna baol is the gap of danger.

It annoys me when players don't sing the national anthem when it's played. Not just because I'm embarrassed for them. Also because it's a missed opportunity for them to rev up their feelings before the game starts. Look at the Haka!

As for Ireland's Call, I don't like it because it's dismal. Kevin Myers was right when he suggested that it should be replaced by Limerick's classic There Is An Isle, which would have every player, from north and south, tearing up.

ohnonotgmail

Samaris wrote: »

Have you listened to almost any national anthem? Look, if the anthem's not about war, blood, tribalistic hatreds, a catchy chorus and at least one line that everyone mumbles through because they don't know the lyrics followed by something that can be bellowed at the end...you're doing it wrong.

Its really not taken seriously, especially when, let's be frank, almost no-one understands what they're singing anyway. If you dont believe me, ask the nearest three people what a bearna baoill is... Or possibly bearna beal.

ah it could be worse. we could have a verse swearing allegiance to our former masters like the dutch do.

El_Duderino 09

Qualitymark wrote:

It annoys me when players don't sing the national anthem when it's played. Not just because I'm embarrassed for them. Also because it's a missed opportunity for them to rev up their feelings before the game starts. Look at the Haka!

I trust Jamie Heaslip to rev up his feelings on his own. In fact, I trust the has been training, eating, sleeping and resting all week to peak emotionally and physically during the game. It matters not to me if he sings the anthem. It's probably mostly for the fans (and John Hayes) to get revved up.

Probably gone off topic though

selous

tigerboon wrote: »

Irish or fukkin fukked?

Irish.
(Just looked at Wikipedia and says he was born in London, so that has to be true, so rumour squished)

riffmongous

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

ah it could be worse. we could have a verse swearing allegiance to our former masters like the dutch do.

or imagine how an atheist republican must feel in the UK? :pac:

Dirty Dingus McGee

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I can remember the days when in the Gaelic Football there were no terms like "Offloads", "Transitions", "Blanket Defence" or "Sweepers".:mad:

In fairness those phrases weren't needed in the past as the tactics weren't really employed before 10 or 12 years ago.

Offloads always pisses me off, it's just a ****ing hand pass call it what it is.

Another one is "Dirty Ball" which is simply breaking ball but a lot of commentators are using it instead of the breaking ball.

katydid

lertsnim wrote: »

It was a dark day when Marathon changed to Snickers

It's a toss up with the day that Opal fruits became Starburst.

Subpopulus

I always find these kind of treads amusing, because the irony is that most of the words that people use on a day to day basis were strange neologisms once, but now they're fully assimilated into the English language. If you read the book Made in America by Bill Bryson you'll get an insight into how the US has dominated the formation of the English Language for over two hundred years, and how huge parts of the language we use on a day to day basis was developed by Americans. Innocuous words and phrases like foothill, teenager, miss out, head-start, fill in, beautician, loan shark, rip-off, upholster, author, peer-review are all 'Americanisms'.

Anyone carping about changing terminology, would want to think about how they'll sound in fifty years time when these words are fully ingrained into our language. Most of the examples here aren't wrong, or more confusing than the words or phrases they're replacing - they're just different, and change seems to annoy some people.

Here's how some Boardsies from the past sound now.

Someone on Boards in 1982
I heard a young wan in town saying that The Axe and Spanner was a 'cool' pub to go to at the weekends. Cool is something you use to describe temperature. I swear to god I'm going to strangle the next person who uses that word like that.

Someone on Boards in 1974
What's happened to all the Dance Halls? Now they're all 'Discotheques' - WTF? I even heard someone call one a 'Disco' the other day.

Someone on Boards in 1969
Why are all the main roads called 'National Routes' now? What happened to the Trunk Roads? It's just a knock-off of the English system...

Someone on Boards in 1963
What happened to all the Aerodromes? Now they're all 'Airports'. That's such a stupid word - ports are for boats FFS.

Someone on Boards in 1956
I'm going to punch the next person who tells me that there was mighty 'crack' out on the town. You have fun, not 'crack'. Crack is just a stupid english word used by people trying to sound sophisticated. They'll probably have a stupid Irish spelling for it next.

Someone on Boards in 1928
He met his cousin from New York when he was over visiting and he's picked up a load of slang from America now. The other day he was sick and he says 'Mam, I'm feeling 'under the weather'. 'Under the weather' d'ya mind? I says where in gods name did you pick up that stupid aul phrase? He says he was 'chatting' with cousin Sean and he'd 'taken a shine to' the way he said things. Did ya ever hear the like of that? Lord bless us and save us.

Someone on Boards in 1878
The other day I heard a young lad call his velocipede a 'bi-cycle'. Why do we need another stupid word for a velocipede?

Someone on Boards in 1834
What's with all these twats saying that they'll 'rendezvous' later on? What's wrong with saying 'lets meet up'? They're just posers using French words so they sound more intelligent.

Someone on Boards in 1783
I hate it when people use the phrase 'et cetera'. The English language is being wiped out by all these loanwords from Latin - pretty soon we'll all just be speaking Latin and we won't have any language of our own...

Samaris

Someone on Boards in 1750:

Ah this Industrial Revolution thing will never catch on. And nor will this Boards business, doing decent Town Criers out've a job. Disgraceful carry on altogether.


Disclaimer: I know this wasn't quite what you were getting at :P

fonecrusher1

Heard someone talking about 'sneakers' recently. They were on about some new runners (footwear for running/jogging) they got.

Dear god..... just stop.

Billy86

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Heard someone talking about 'sneakers' recently. They were on about some new runners (footwear for running/jogging) they got.

Dear god..... just stop.

I've heard people using 'sneakers' semi-regularly going all the way back to the mid 90s when the Air Jordan stuff was everywhere. It's not new.

kowloon

Jayop wrote: »

I heard someone refer to The Emergency as World War 2 the other day.

Just shocking.

Next you'll be calling The Famine the Great Fenian Cleansing.

Bayberry

Subpopulus wrote: »

He says he was 'chatting' with cousin Sean and he'd 'taken a shine to' the way he said things. Did ya ever hear the like of that? Lord bless us and save us. [/I]

The Irish for "I like it" is "Thaitin sé liom" - literally "it shines with me". There's a good chance that "take a shine to it" made it into American English from Irish (or Scottish Gaelic).

gormdubhgorm

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Quite a lot Hiberno-English is just older 15th century English words that the English themselves dropped over time.

They even forgot how to say 'film' properly.... in Shakespeare's spelled it as 'philome' in Romeo & Juliet. So the two-syllable pronunciation is older.:pac:

I remember at school a Kerry English teacher told that we speak Elizabethan English of that era. In particular the way the Dubs spoke....he didn't like the Dubs!

Subpopulus

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I remember at school a Kerry English teacher told that we speak Elizabethan English of that era.

The best example is how we say 'ye' and 'yeer', which are actually very handy because modern English doesn't have any distinct plural form of 'you'. You do sound like a bit of a bogman when using it in formal contexts though...

I remember an English author noting how pronunciations had changed over time, and pointed out that Alexander Pope was able to rhyme 'sea' and 'way', because back then sea was pronounced 'say' - which is actually how a lot of Irish people still pronounce it. Like the way people say 'cowld' instead of 'cold', and 'hate' instead of 'heat'.