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visatorro

How big of a water tank would I need for a wash down pump washing a ten unit plus small collection area?

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visatorro wrote: »

How big of a water tank would I need for a wash down pump washing a ten unit plus small collection area?

I use an IBC for a 20 unit parlour that does washing the outside of the clusters as well.

kowtow

visatorro wrote: »

How big of a water tank would I need for a wash down pump washing a ten unit plus small collection area?

We have a single IBC for a five unit (albeit one with bad pit drains at the minute, so takes a lot of water to wash) and it's way too small, going to double it up at least.

It has one of those valves which refill only when it reaches a low point, but fill to the top, to stop it drawing the well pump during milking when we are filling wash sinks etc.

I'd say we go through 500 litres at a milking, more or less?

Mooooo

visatorro wrote: »

How big of a water tank would I need for a wash down pump washing a ten unit plus small collection area?

Have u a plate cooler? MAY as well get a big tank anyway, neighbour has a 5k L tank for it but also connected the pump to a 500 gallon trough exiting the parlour for the hot days, will fill it as fast as they drink it. Altho haven't been too many of them in the last few years

pedigree 6

visatorro wrote: »

How big of a water tank would I need for a wash down pump washing a ten unit plus small collection area?

I have a 10,000Litre plastic water tank for my wash down pump in an 8 unit parlour. I have the rainwater from the sheds and plate cooler plumbed into it.
You'll always use the washdown pump to wash down yards, tractors, machinery, etc. Can never have the tank big enough really.:rolleyes:

kowtow

Can somebody give me a clue as to how (new) kerbing works when re-doing the pit in a milking parlour?

I'm thinking about the sort you buy in 3m lengths which is basically a big folded right angle with some cross braces...

If you pour or build vertical pit walls does the kerbing just bolt down before pouring the floors with half of it on top of the wall and half of it hanging over to form the overhang with the kerb?.. we're only moving walls (extending one and cutting back another) so have a limited amount of fresh concrete going in to play with..

there is an example of the stuff I'm thinking of here..

https://donedeal.akamaized.net/ddimg/ZmMwZjc2Njk0N2IzMTE2YTUzZDUzNzlmOTMyMmUzZDRI_L_oeSWN6CujuZX_vAlRaHR0cDovL3MzLWV1LXdlc3QtMS5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL2RvbmVkZWFsLmllLXBob3Rvcy9waG90b182NDQ1MTQxNHx8fDYwMHg2MDB8fHx8fHx8fA==.jpeg

Timmaay

kowtow wrote: »

Can somebody give me a clue as to how (new) kerbing works when re-doing the pit in a milking parlour?

I'm thinking about the sort you buy in 3m lengths which is basically a big folded right angle with some cross braces...

If you pour or build vertical pit walls does the kerbing just bolt down before pouring the floors with half of it on top of the wall and half of it hanging over to form the overhang with the kerb?.. we're only moving walls (extending one and cutting back another) so have a limited amount of fresh concrete going in to play with..

there is an example of the stuff I'm thinking of here..

https://donedeal.akamaized.net/ddimg/ZmMwZjc2Njk0N2IzMTE2YTUzZDUzNzlmOTMyMmUzZDRI_L_oeSWN6CujuZX_vAlRaHR0cDovL3MzLWV1LXdlc3QtMS5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL2RvbmVkZWFsLmllLXBob3Rvcy9waG90b182NDQ1MTQxNHx8fDYwMHg2MDB8fHx8fHx8fA==.jpeg

Yeh bolt down to the wall, you will need to put some bit of meshing in also, and you should weld everything together and put on plenty of earth rods, the utter last thing milking cows need is a stray current, will drive them mad and scc through the roof. Neighbour of mine has serious problems a yr or so ago, turned out to be a poorly earthed powershower in a house 50/100m away!!

kowtow

Timmaay wrote: »

Yeh bolt down to the wall, you will need to put some bit of meshing in also, and you should weld everything together and put on plenty of earth rods, the utter last thing milking cows need is a stray current, will drive them mad and scc through the roof. Neighbour of mine has serious problems a yr or so ago, turned out to be a poorly earthed powershower in a house 50/100m away!!

What do you leave as the overhang, half the width or so? I suppose it would be about six inches? together with some rebar and mesh that should be enough to hang it from I would have thought.

Does anyone use anything more than normal concrete reinforcing mesh for the voltage thing? Is it supposed to be copper or anything?

RightTurnClyde

kowtow wrote: »

Can somebody give me a clue as to how (new) kerbing works when re-doing the pit in a milking parlour?

I'm thinking about the sort you buy in 3m lengths which is basically a big folded right angle with some cross braces...

If you pour or build vertical pit walls does the kerbing just bolt down before pouring the floors with half of it on top of the wall and half of it hanging over to form the overhang with the kerb?.. we're only moving walls (extending one and cutting back another) so have a limited amount of fresh concrete going in to play with..

there is an example of the stuff I'm thinking of here..

https://donedeal.akamaized.net/ddimg/ZmMwZjc2Njk0N2IzMTE2YTUzZDUzNzlmOTMyMmUzZDRI_L_oeSWN6CujuZX_vAlRaHR0cDovL3MzLWV1LXdlc3QtMS5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL2RvbmVkZWFsLmllLXBob3Rvcy9waG90b182NDQ1MTQxNHx8fDYwMHg2MDB8fHx8fHx8fA==.jpeg

We put in ones like that into our parlour when it was being done. Walls are built up, then back filled to the height of the walls, the angle then sits on the wall, with say 8 inches over hanging and 12 inches on the wall and hard core. The 12 inches cantilever 8 inches so it won't topple when concrete is being poured. On the verticle face where the concrete goes, there were small angles welded on about 1/2 way up, to pick up reinforcing mesh to Earth the platform.

(I rang that guy recently. He'll make whatever type angle you want and get it galvanised, I think he said roughly €10/ft, I think)

RightTurnClyde

kowtow wrote: »

What do you leave as the overhang, half the width or so? I suppose it would be about six inches? together with some rebar and mesh that should be enough to hang it from I would have thought.

Does anyone use anything more than normal concrete reinforcing mesh for the voltage thing? Is it supposed to be copper or anything?

Normal reinforcing mesh, but be sure to have it crossing the whole platform, front to back, And end to end. Weld it to the kerb and to any pillars and stalling that it is coming close to

visatorro

Mooooo wrote: »

Have u a plate cooler? MAY as well get a big tank anyway, neighbour has a 5k L tank for it but also connected the pump to a 500 gallon trough exiting the parlour for the hot days, will fill it as fast as they drink it. Altho haven't been too many of them in the last few years

Iv potable water coming to parlour for washes and water from a river coming to drop down hoses in pit for washing clusters and walls. Very slow and doesn't do a great job really. Rain harvesting isn't an option with my set up either. Ibc tank should do me.

visatorro

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

We put in ones like that into our parlour when it was being done. Walls are built up, then back filled to the height of the walls, the angle then sits on the wall, with say 8 inches over hanging and 12 inches on the wall and hard core. The 12 inches cantilever 8 inches so it won't topple when concrete is being poured. On the verticle face where the concrete goes, there were small angles welded on about 1/2 way up, to pick up reinforcing mesh to Earth the platform.

(I rang that guy recently. He'll make whatever type angle you want and get it galvanised, I think he said roughly €10/ft, I think)

Did something similar here except there was no mention of putting in mesh or rebar. The kerbing is tacked together and to the frame of the parlour. After the floor set you could see the overhang had sunk abit. Don't know whether the mesh would have prevented this or not. Diy job so no one to blame but myself. It's OK but luckily I haven't OCD or I lose the plot looking at it every evening. A

pedigree 6

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Normal reinforcing mesh, but be sure to have it crossing the whole platform, front to back, And end to end. Weld it to the kerb and to any pillars and stalling that it is coming close to

You need all metal in the parlour to have the same bonding/earthing. All metal in the parlour needs to be connected together. It's the difference in bonding of the metals that gives trouble with cows picking up current from one going to the other. It all needs to be equal and the less yellow and green wires in the parlour look better too. Looks and works better if the steel is welded under/in the concrete. You need the floor where the cows are standing to have the same current/earth as the rump rails and kerbing.
Basically all metal in parlour well connected together. :D

pedigree 6

visatorro wrote: »

Iv potable water coming to parlour for washes and water from a river coming to drop down hoses in pit for washing clusters and walls. Very slow and doesn't do a great job really. Rain harvesting isn't an option with my set up either. Ibc tank should do me.

Any problems with thermoduric and tbc with that setup?

visatorro

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Any problems with thermoduric and tbc with that setup?

The water from the river doesn't touch the inside of any milk lines. Just washing the cluster itself. An odd blip like anyone but nothing haywire thank fook

pedigree 6

visatorro wrote: »

The water from the river doesn't touch the inside of any milk lines. Just washing the cluster itself. An odd blip like anyone but nothing haywire thank fook

I know you're not washing and rinsing the lines with that water.
But remember dawggone's problem with high thermoduric tests and by simply washing the outside of the cluster in peracetic acid it brought down the tests.
Something to consider.

Actually thinking of Ion purifiers for the water for the parlour here.

tanko

visatorro wrote: »

The water from the river doesn't touch the inside of any milk lines. Just washing the cluster itself. An odd blip like anyone but nothing haywire thank fook

Very true, haywire anywhere near your lines or cluster wouldn't end well :pac:

Lady Haywire

tanko wrote: »

Very true, haywire anywhere near your lines or cluster wouldn't end well :pac:

I concur

kowtow

pedigree 6 wrote:

Actually thinking of Ion purifiers for the water for the parlour here.

Would uv do it as well / better?

The potable water thing does limit options especially for heat reclamation conservation etc.

kevthegaff

kowtow wrote:

Would uv do it as well / better?

Had problem with tbc and put in uv light/filter at pump, worth it here!

visatorro

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I know you're not washing and rinsing the lines with that water.
But remember dawggone's problem with high thermoduric tests and by simply washing the outside of the cluster in peracetic acid it brought down the tests.
Something to consider.

Actually thinking of Ion purifiers for the water for the parlour here.

Never had that big of a problem to investigate. But I know where your coming from.

Water from well is filtered and passes through uv.

alps

I know we've hacked this to death in the past, but wouldn't mind getting a few opinions on this again as certainly I couldn't come to any firm conclusion...

With milk price rising, we're thinking of buying next springs calf milk replacer now. We have been using Volac Heiferlac with the last 5 years or so, and never fully convinced of its advertised merits.

We are really interested in the skim based concept of a powder that will curdle. Mahony praises it's merits and I also see NZ farmers swear by it.

On a farm visit last week and spotted they were feeding shine flying start. The operator is well travelled and gets to see many farms and rearing results and is happy that shine is working very well. The only reservation I have is that the ingredients is ting on the bag shows fibre at 0.07% which indicates the use of non dairy proteins. The ingredients also list both skim and whey as part of the make up.

Would appreciate any advise....

stanflt

alps wrote: »

I know we've hacked this to death in the past, but wouldn't mind getting a few opinions on this again as certainly I couldn't come to any firm conclusion...

With milk price rising, we're thinking of buying next springs calf milk replacer now. We have been using Volac Heiferlac with the last 5 years or so, and never fully convinced of its advertised merits.

We are really interested in the skim based concept of a powder that will curdle. Mahony praises it's merits and I also see NZ farmers swear by it.

On a farm visit last week and spotted they were feeding shine flying start. The operator is well travelled and gets to see many farms and rearing results and is happy that shine is working very well. The only reservation I have is that the ingredients is ting on the bag shows fibre at 0.07% which indicates the use of non dairy proteins. The ingredients also list both skim and whey as part of the make up.

Would appreciate any advise....

Calving. Heifers at 21-24 months here- using shine the last 3 yrs- calves get off to a great start and just keep sailing on

Used heifer lac last yr in the autumn just to see was there a difference- calves looked skinyier and not as well done but weight the same and hit all the targets

So I guess it's just finding a product that you like and sticking to it

Heiferlac to expensive imo

Water John

I would agree with Kowtow +, a UV would be a very cheap option to treat any water being used in the milking parlour.
Not to be used on water that is already chlorinated.

kowtow

kevthegaff wrote: »

Had problem with tbc and put in uv light/filter at pump, worth it here!

do you need anything special for the capacity from the pump to the parlour or is it just the single unit?

Are they expensive? A few hundred or so plus a bulb each year?

whelan2

So did all ye Glanbia suppliers get your milk planning census 2017-2020? I'd say there will be some interesting comments on page 7. I am only filling in a few bits of it as I dont agree with the way the farmer has been treated this last 12 months. Also they are looking for way too much information in some parts of it.

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

So did all ye Glanbia suppliers get your milk planning census 2017-2020? I'd say there will be some interesting comments on page 7. I am only filling in a few bits of it as I dont agree with the way the farmer has been treated this last 12 months. Also they are looking for way too much information in some parts of it.

Saw it on the table, thought about throwing it straight in the bin, guess I'll fill it out though, however mine will be of zero use to glanbia because the biggest variable that will effect my milk output here is the price of milk, and given glanbia only tell us that 6wks after we supply the milk I'm making zero longterm plans.

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

Saw it on the table, thought about throwing it straight in the bin, guess I'll fill it out though, however mine will be of zero use to glanbia because the biggest variable that will effect my milk output here is the price of milk, and given glanbia only tell us that 6wks after we supply the milk I'm making zero longterm plans.

Yes there is no space for milk price affecting output at all. Tbh 1 page would have been enough

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

Yes there is no space for milk price affecting output at all. Tbh 1 page would have been enough

Hopefully lads don't lose the run of themselves and put in fairly optimistic projections our you'll see Bergin/Talbot reckon they need to invest another small fortune in processing and we'll be the clowns left footing the bill

inthepit

whelan2 wrote: »

So did all ye Glanbia suppliers get your milk planning census 2017-2020? I'd say there will be some interesting comments on page 7. I am only filling in a few bits of it as I dont agree with the way the farmer has been treated this last 12 months. Also they are looking for way too much information in some parts of it.

Havn't looked at it yet.Will probably fill it out when I get home from the pub tomorrow night.