Ireland u20 2016 6Nations/Junior World Cup

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

Anybody know where that thread about the U20s Rugby World Cup is gone?

It's over there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

*flexes*

ClanofLams

England unchanged.

Only 7 starters from XV Ireland beat in 6N

ClanofLams

Strange that Irish team still unannounced. Late fitness test for someone perhaps

Number 137

Teams for the final:

1 Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 16/1/96- 6'0- 118kg
1 Lewis Boyce (Yorkshire Carnegie) 30/7/96- 6'1- 100kg

2 Adam McBurney (Ulster/Ballymena) 5/9/96- 6'1- 100kg
2 Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors) 14/5/96- 6'0- 111kg

3 Ben Betts (Munster/Young Munster) 28/8/96- 6'0- 109kg
3 Billy Walker (Saracens) 27/9/96- 6'2- 116kg

4 Sean O'Connor (Munster/Cashel) 22/8/96- 6'5- 106kg
4 Stanley South (Harlequins) 24/7/96- 6'6- 113kg

5 James Ryan (Leinster/Lansdowne) 24/7/96- 6'7- 109kg
5 Huw Taylor (Worcester Warriors) 5/6/96- 6'5- 103kg

6 Greg Jones (Leinster/UCD) 13/1/96- 6'5- 108kg
6 George Nott (Sale Sharks) 21/6/96- 6'6- 102kg

7 David Aspil (Leinster/St. Mary's College) 14/7/96- 6'1- 98kg
7 William Evans (Leicester Tigers) 28/1/97- 6'0- 91kg

8 Max Deegan (Leinster/Lansdowne) 1/10/96- 6'4- 108kg
8 Callum Chick (Newcastle Falcons) 25/11/96- 6'4- 105kg

9 Stephen Kerins (Connacht/Sligo) 1/5/96- 5'7- 74kg
9 Max Green (Yorkshire Carnegie) 13/2/96- 5'11- 81kg

10 Johnny McPhillips (Ulster/Queens) 13/3/97- 5'11- 89kg
10 Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints) 13/6/96- 6'5- 108kg

11 Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 18/6/96- 6'1- 90kg
11 Matthew Gallagher (Saracens) 26/10/96- 6'1- 89kg

12 Conor O'Brien (Leinster/Clontarf) 6/2/96- 6'3- 97kg
12 John Williams (London Irish) 18/10/96- 6'3- 93kg

13 Shane Daly (Munster/Cork Constitution) 19/12/96- 6'3- 92kg
13 Joseph Marchant (Harlequins) 16/7/96- 6'0- 89kg

14 Matthew Byrne (Leinster/Terenure College) 15/3/96- 6'0- 89kg
14 Sam Aspland-Robinson (Harlequins) 3/1/97- 6'2- 93kg

15 Jacob Stockdale (Ulster/Belfast Harlequins) 3/4/96- 6'3- 101kg
15 Max Malins (Saracens) 7/1/97- 5'11- 84kg

16 Vincent O'Brien (Munster/Cork Constitution) 12/1/96- 6'0- 104 kg (Hooker)
16 Charlie Piper (Harlequins) 18/2/96- 5'11- 100kg (Hooker)

17 James Bollard (Leinster/Trinity) 2/5/96- 5'11- 109kg (Prop)
17 Tom West (Wasps) 11/2/96- 6'1- 103kg (Prop)

18 Adam Coyle (Leinster/Naas) 14/5/96- 5'11- 118kg (Prop)
18 Will Stuart (Wasps) 12/7/96- 6'3- 124kg (Prop)

19 Evan Mintern (Munster/Cork Constitution) 16/1/96- 6'4- 118kg (Lock)
19 Andrew Kitchener (Worcester Warriors) 15/7/96- 6'8- 108kg (Lock)

20 Kelvin Brown (Munster/Shannon) 10/5/96- 6'1- 104kg (Back Row)
20 Jack Willis (Wasps) 24/12/96- 6'3- 107kg (Flanker)

21 Niall Saunders (Harlequins) 21/12/97- 6'0- 88kg (Scrum Half)
21 Harry Randall (Gloucester) 18/12/97- 5'7- 70kg (Scrum Half

22 Brett Connon (Newcastle Falcons) 29/8/96- 5'11- 91kg (Fly Half/Full Back)
22 Max Wright (Yorkshire Carnegie) 24/5/97- 5'11- 94kg (Centre)

23 Jimmy O'Brien (Leinster/UCD) 27/11/96- 6'0- 90kg (Centre)
23 Oliver Thorley (Gloucester) 11/9/96- 6'1- 94kg (Centre)

Is that real? England have a second row starting at Out Half?

pickarooney

Those are some seriously heavy backs we have
Are they nearly at full adult size already?

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

Is that real? England have a second row starting at Out Half?

Yup, he's a big b*stard. Had a very decent first season with Saints but unsurprisingly played the bulk of his rugby at 12.

pickarooney

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is that real? England have a second row starting at Out Half?

Mallinder is a kicking centre/OH. Similar size to Peter Robb.

Tarf1234

So much for us being miles behind physically...

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So much for us being miles behind physically...

Well we have been in years gone by, but weve managed to unearth some freaks like Porter,Ryan and Deegan this year

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So much for us being miles behind physically...

Well we have been in years gone by, but weve managed to unearth some freaks like Porter,Ryan and Deegan this year

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So much for us being miles behind physically...

Well we have been in years gone by, but weve managed to unearth some freaks like Porter,Ryan and Deegan this year

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So much for us being miles behind physically...

Well we have been in years gone by, but weve managed to unearth some freaks like Porter,Ryan and Deegan this year

kingofthekong

Apologies my computer has a lag and keeps reposting my posts multiple times

Tarf1234

kingofthekong wrote: »

Apologies my computer has a lag and keeps reposting my posts multiple times

I was just thinking you were very aggressive. In fairness there are another of huge lumps not there. Kenny, O'Donnell and Sam Arnold jump to mind straight away. That's hardly a complete fluke.

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

kingofthekong wrote: »

Apologies my computer has a lag and keeps reposting my posts multiple times

I was just thinking you were very aggressive. In fairness there are another of huge lumps not there. Kenny, O'Donnell and Sam Arnold jump to mind straight away. That's hardly a complete fluke.

haha, well Arnold did come through the English system with Harlequins but I get your point. We always tend to have a few physical players but rarely a full pack that could compete up front with the likes of an English u20s

NiallBoo

Can someone explain to me why England are such favourites for this?

Having beaten NZ and the 6N champions to get to the final and England earlier on in the year you'd think it should be Ireland, no?

The reasoning for England being favourites seems to be "they're scary and they're England"

pickarooney

NiallBoo wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why England are such favourites for this?

Having beaten NZ and the 6N champions to get to the final and England earlier on in the year you'd think it should be Ireland, no?

The reasoning for England being favourites seems to be "they're scary and they're England"

This is their fourth final in a row I think, with two wins in three years.

NiallBoo

pickarooney wrote: »

This is their fourth final in a row I think, with two wins in three years.

That hardly makes sense for u-20's though where the teams are so different year-on-year.

You'd think that the most reliable info to judge on is current year results?

Don't get me wrong, England do look like a strong side - the strong expectation for them to win in most media and even the strong betting odds seems a bit unfounded though.

matthew8

Well they are the home side and were very good in the semi final.

Buer

The England side that takes the field tomorrow is vastly different from the one that we played in the 6N. Only 7 players who started that game start tomorrow.

England often make huge changes to their 23 between the tournaments with a number of players often being left with their clubs. Harry Mallinder, for example, started two Aviva Premiership games the week we faced them in the 6N.

In fact, of the 23 that we played then, 9 of them didn't even make the squad for this tournament.

pickarooney

Is the U20s 6 Nations in its current form really worthwhile when there's a JWC every year?

ClanofLams

pickarooney wrote: »

Is the U20s 6 Nations in its current form really worthwhile when there's a JWC every year?

Yeah sure why not? It's good development for young players. JWC is only 5 games.

pickarooney

Georgia misses out though. Bit unfair on them, and any other fringe team who only gets half the matches of the 6N matches.

kuang1

What channels other than TnaG are covering this tonight? Would enjoy it a lot more with commentary I can understand.

Hagz

Sky Sports 1

daveup

Argentina giving SA a run for their money (third place playoff) which gives me a lot of hope for the game later

daveup

daveup wrote: »

Argentina giving SA a run for their money (third place playoff) which gives me a lot of hope for the game later

Not sure what the score was when you posted that but they're giving them a bit of a pasting now.

44-19.

While a big part of England's win was the quick start, SA must have lost 5/6 of their own line outs which is criminal.

matthew8

They were 19-7 down, bodes well for Ireland I suppose.

NiallBoo

matthew8 wrote: »

Well they are the home side

Worth a couple of point no doubt, not enough to make them favourites.

matthew8 wrote: »

very good in the semi final.

They were good enough to make use of a first half where SA were doing their best to shoot themselves in the foot. They were outscored in the second.

Buer wrote: »

The England side that takes the field tomorrow is vastly different from the one that we played in the 6N...

That's a fair reason for not basing judgement on 6N results. But it doesn't give you any real info to judge current ability. You could conclude that it should be better, but not by how much. It also ignores that Ireland have improved hugely since the 6N.

If you compare results from the competition (not fool-proof, but the best indicator we have), you'd see that England beat a SA in the semis by less than Ireland beat the team that beat them in the group stages. ie. that Ireland had a better semi-final result than England.

FWIW, I just don't see the evidence for England to have a heavy favourites tag. Personally I'd put Ireland at slight favourites but would find even or England at slight favourites understandable.


I did ask this question originally to see if there was anything I was missing...but from what I'm seeing, I'm not? It's just hype?