Parent and Child Spaces

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

As I said before, not everyone has a partner with cushy nine to five job and too much free time to know what to do with it.. I.

That's some nonsense statement, whats so cushy about a 9 to 5 job? Even if its not 9 to 5 there are weekends and late evenings to do shopping if you didn't want to bring the child or other people to keep an eye on the children like family members etc. (I'm not saying you shouldn't bring them but a lot of people dont want the hassle of it and find ways to go about their business without their kids in tow). My shopping is always done late on a Sunday evening or after work on a monday evening and I don't see how having kids would alter that.

Do you work yourself because if you don't its a bit rich talking about others with cushy 9 to 5 jobs.

Menas wrote: »

Oh, I know that to my detriment!
But still they can currently do it.

You can also remove the clamp yourself and there isn't a thing that can be done about it as has been demonstrated plenty in recent times (not condoning parking in disabled spaces but private clampers are scum).

Galwayguy35

The Super Valu and Aldi near me are locted side by side, all the wheelchair spaces are in front of the Aldi and are always filled with cars, I would never park in them but most others do.

The M+C spaces are in front of SuperValu and there is only one wheelchair space which is always taken by the mammies when it should be reserved for the disabled.

Cienciano

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

Yep keeps my perfectly happy. Like I said put them at the back of the car park and see how little they are used then. Same function there too

You're missing the point, they're at the front because if you have to carry a baby and a 2 year old up to the front of a shop it's a shorter journey, so them being at the front makes it easier.
I find it strange that you give your seat up for a pregnant woman on the bus, but the minute she has the baby it's "fúck her, she can carry her kids from the back of the car park".

Dubl07

Cienciano wrote: »

You're missing the point, they're at the front because if you have to carry a baby and a 2 year old up to the front of a shop it's a shorter journey, so them being at the front makes it easier.
I find it strange that you give your seat up for a pregnant woman on the bus, but the minute she has the baby it's "fúck her, she can carry her kids from the back of the car park".

That's surely what buggies and trolleys are for? There are trolleys stations all over carparks. Why one earth would she carry the children and how will she pick up her shopping if she does?

Ctrl Alt Delete

Cienciano wrote: »

You're missing the point, they're at the front because if you have to carry a baby and a 2 year old up to the front of a shop it's a shorter journey, so them being at the front makes it easier.
I find it strange that you give your seat up for a pregnant woman on the bus, but the minute she has the baby it's "fúck her, she can carry her kids from the back of the car park".

Its not strange at all, an expectant mother can be under alot of physical discomfort in all sorts of ways and so is perfectly fine.

I don't mind the P+C spaces being at the front of the store anyways, just don't complain about it when someone without a child parks in that space.

Also most if not all stores these days have baby seat trolleys as well as the space for toddlers to sit into and trolley stations all around the car park so quite why you would be carrying the child and trying to do a shop at the same time is beyond me.

Cienciano

Dubl07 wrote: »

That's surely what buggies and trolleys are for? There are trolleys stations all over carparks. Why one earth would she carry the children and how will she pick up her shopping if she does?

Most shops have one trolly bay at the front of a shop. And a buggy isn't much use if you need a trolly.

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

Its not strange at all, an expectant mother can be under alot of physical discomfort in all sorts of ways and so is perfectly fine.

I don't mind the P+C spaces being at the front of the store anyways, just don't complain about it when someone without a child parks in that space.

Also most if not all stores these days have baby seat trolleys as well as the space for toddlers to sit into and trolley stations all around the car park so quite why you would be carrying the child and trying to do a shop at the same time is beyond me.

Baby seat trolleys for young kids are only at the door of the shop a lot of the time to keep them dry.
Heres an idea, now this is crazy. Insead of trying to justify arsehole behaviour, why not walk the extra 30 seconds and leave the P+C space for someone who might need them?

meeeeh

Dahlia Whining Disk wrote: »

Do you work yourself because if you don't its a bit rich talking about others with cushy 9 to 5 jobs.

At the moment I work part time because it makes the most sense with the childcare. I refuse to do shopping on Sundays which is usually the only time my partner is home. And since he is usually clocking 70+ hours per week the shopping gets sometimes done with kids in tow. You are doing exactly the same, suggesting as previous poster, that I should live exactly as them. I have no problem with people working 9-5 but I have huge problem with people who just assume one has the same possibilities as them. I don't and many other parents don't and sometimes shopping with kids is the best option.

Ctrl Alt Delete

Cienciano wrote: »

Heres an idea, now this is crazy. Insead of trying to justify arsehole behaviour, why not walk the extra 30 seconds and leave the P+C space for someone who might need them?

I've an even crazier idea, how about you don't piss and moan about a parking space that im legally allowed to use

kunst nugget

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

I've an even crazier idea, how about you don't piss and moan about a parking space that im legally allowed to use

Just because you're legally allowed to use it doesn't make you look any less of an arsehole for using it. I have 2 kids and I could justify using them when I go shopping with them but since the youngest moved onto a standard booster seat, I don't park in them anymore because other people would benefit more from using them.

Dubl07

I'm just gobsmacked this evening because a blonde social x-ray in an A6 parked diagonally across a P&C space in Cornelscourt at lunchtime today leaving 6" between her rear offside wing and the car next to her. She was more than a foot into the next space. I could see a 9 (?) year old bouncing around in the car and a buggy in the boot as she took out her shopping bags before she swanned off into the shop leaving the child(ren) in the car. I should guiltily admit that I sincerely hoped the elderly Astra next to her removed that rear wing.

Jester252

I have no issue with parking in the P&C spaces.

Had one women give out to me once, her face turned red when I opened the boot and pulled out a wheelchair.

QuinDixie

kunst nugget wrote: »

Tbf, not that I don't do all of these things already but I think I'll take my parenting tips from someone who doesn't think taking a child into a shop is child abuse.

And people wonder what drives the obsession with consumerism.

kunst nugget

QuinDixie wrote: »

And people wonder what drives the obsession with consumerism.

Yes, bringing my children around a shop while I buy bananas, milk, eggs and corn flakes has warped their fragile little minds and now they spend their days hoping to be the next Kim Kardashian and talking selfies. :rolleyes:

Flippyfloppy

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

Also most if not all stores these days have baby seat trolleys as well as the space for toddlers to sit into and trolley stations all around the car park so quite why you would be carrying the child and trying to do a shop at the same time is beyond me.

Here's a little exercise for all the P&C naysayers.

Let's say you're out with your 2 kids under 3. Forget about baby car seats, let's say your youngest is sitting up unaided so you can use the double seated trolley.

You park in a regular car space with empty spaces beside. Get a trolley, go to one rear door, lift one child in, bring trolley to other side, lift other child in and away you go.

Finished your shop you return to your car, dismayed to find that a crooked parking frenzy has occurred since you left. Your rear doors are blocked at both sides, not entirely blocked, an older child or slim adult could probably slide in. But there's certainly not enough room to push a toddler in through the door with your two arms whilst standing beside the boot end of the car.

So bearing in mind there are no brakes on trollies to keep them 'secure' in a busy car park with cars backing in and out , what would you do? Seriously, I'd love to know. Would you put the kids somewhere to the side even though they could roll away while you reverse the car out to make room? Put them in through the boot? Ring a relative? Go get security? Take the registration numbers of the cars blocking you and get them called at customer service? Bang the bejaysus out of their cars in frustration with your door?

Even if there was enough room to put the kids in each side, my preference is to keep the trolley with the other child beside me, to prevent it from rolling into oncoming traffic.




Hence why these spaces are needed by parents rather than the likes of you.

Jester252

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Here's a little exercise for all the P&C naysayers.

Let's say you're out with your 2 kids under 3. Forget about baby car seats, let's say your youngest is sitting up unaided so you can use the double seated trolley.

You park in a regular car space with empty spaces beside. Get a trolley, go to one rear door, lift one child in, bring trolley to other side, lift other child in and away you go.

Finished your shop you return to your car, dismayed to find that a crooked parking frenzy has occurred since you left. Your rear doors are blocked at both sides, not entirely blocked, an older child or slim adult could probably slide in. But there's certainly not enough room to push a toddler in through the door with your two arms whilst standing beside the boot end of the car.

So bearing in mind there are no brakes on trollies to keep them 'secure' in a busy car park with cars backing in and out , what would you do? Seriously, I'd love to know. Would you put the kids somewhere to the side even though they could roll away while you reverse the car out to make room? Put them in through the boot? Ring a relative? Go get security? Take the registration numbers of the cars blocking you and get them called at customer service? Bang the bejaysus out of their cars in frustration with your door?

Even if there was enough room to put the kids in each side, my preference is to keep the trolley with the other child beside me, to prevent it from rolling into oncoming traffic.




Hence why these spaces are needed by parents rather than the likes of you.

If it is so hard why not shop online?

Flippyfloppy

Jester252 wrote: »

If it is so hard why not shop online?

I sometimes do, but usually just simply park in the parent & child spaces if I'm out with the kids. That was just an exercise, a scenario if you will.

QuinDixie

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

What is the big thing with not taking your kids shopping? Why not if they enjoy it? It's actually good for their development to be brought on trips like that! Plus, there are seats in trollies and p&c spaces.

I prefer to do my food shopping on a Monday or Tuesday morning. I find the produce fresher on these days, compared to Sunday especially. Hence bringing the kids with me as my husband works during the week.

I dont understand the obsession some people have with bringing their children shopping,
you mention development, how did we survive before shopping centres and supermarkets,

there is parents on this thread arguing about parent and child spaces, its embarrassing to read posters believing that being disabled somehow equates to being a parent when it comes to parking near the entrance of a shop.

The family day out described by some posters as when they go shopping together, due to time restrictions. what does that even mean? We all have the same hours in the day.

Make family time that does not involve walking around the aisles of a shopping centre, there is no excuses but I am sure some posters will try and dream some up.

Flippyfloppy

QuinDixie wrote: »

I dont understand the obsession some people have with bringing their children shopping,

Oh really so what is it parents are meant to do with their kids if they need to go food shopping? Inconvenience someone else by getting them to sit? And if you have no family or friends in the area? Put them into a crèche?

My kids enjoy coming shopping, 30 minutes we're in and out- I'm on maternity leave so can go at quiet times. And there's always P&C spaces- they aren't abused where I shop. So why is it exactly that I should leave my kids at home again??

QuinDixie

kunst nugget wrote: »

Yes, bringing my children around a shop while I buy bananas, milk, eggs and corn flakes has warped their fragile little minds and now they spend their days hoping to be the next Kim Kardashian and talking selfies. :rolleyes:

but if there is actually no need for them to be there, why bring them.
If someone is bringing their kid even weekly to a building that contains sweets,toys,etc, stuff they love, they will eventually grow to love the experience.
They are children, they do not understand advertising but we do and unfortunately some parents are aiding multinational companies in brainwashing them.

kunst nugget

QuinDixie wrote: »

I dont understand the obsession some people have with bringing their children shopping,

Because it's so uncool to hit my kids in public these days, the only way I can make them suffer is by bringing them shopping…

phelant

Jester252 wrote: »

If it is so hard why not shop online?

Haha genius. :-(

animaal

QuinDixie wrote: »

If someone is bringing their kid even weekly to a building that contains sweets,toys,etc, stuff they love, they will eventually grow to love the experience.

I would guess that in most cases, the weekly shoping trip results in the child being told that (s)he can't have that jar full of lollies. If anything, it teaches the child that (s)he can't have everything they want.

QuinDixie

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Oh really so what is it parents are meant to do with their kids if they need to go food shopping? Inconvenience someone else by getting them to sit? And if you have no family or friends in the area? Put them into a crèche?

My kids enjoy coming shopping, 30 minutes we're in and out- I'm on maternity leave so can go at quiet times. And there's always P&C spaces- they aren't abused where I shop. So why is it exactly that I should leave my kids at home again??

so you have no one to help you mind those kids, you never go anywhere without them. Thats very sad.
Word of advice, hope you have strong apron strings.

freshpopcorn

I do know of some supermarkets and their are too many parent and child spaces. I still wouldn't park with them tough.
I do think it's good to bring kids shopping and get used to the experience. I always used go with my mother and could do the weekly shop without out a list from when I was about 12. I know people well into there twenties and mammy always did the shopping and they wouldn't know the difference between a pork chop and a lamb shop.

Flippyfloppy

QuinDixie wrote: »

but if there is actually no need for them to be there, why bring them.
If someone is bringing their kid even weekly to a building that contains sweets,toys,etc, stuff they love, they will eventually grow to love the experience.
They are children, they do not understand advertising but we do and unfortunately some parents are aiding multinational companies in brainwashing them.

That's hilarious. I don't even walk down the treats aisle, but if I have to my oldest doesn't even ask for anything, because I've never made a habit of it! What's wrong with teaching boundaries???

QuinDixie

animaal wrote: »

I would guess that in most cases, the weekly shoping trip results in the child being told that (s)he can't have that jar full of lollies. If anything, it teaches the child that (s)he can't have everything they want.

that is so untrue, you guessed very wrong. :pac:

Flippyfloppy

QuinDixie wrote: »

so you have no one to help you mind those kids, you never go anywhere without them. Thats very sad.
Word of advice, hope you have strong apron strings.

You're the sad one here obviously, you're so bitter! No I don't depend on others, but it's not sad. I'm sure as hell not going to range a weekly babysitter for something my kids actually enjoy & learn from!

kunst nugget

QuinDixie wrote: »

but if there is actually no need for them to be there, why bring them.
If someone is bringing their kid even weekly to a building that contains sweets,toys,etc, stuff they love, they will eventually grow to love the experience.
They are children, they do not understand advertising but we do and unfortunately some parents are aiding multinational companies in brainwashing them.

Because I bring them to shops and I don't buy them shít, they get no treats for going into the shop and if there's something they see that they want they know they'll have to save up their own pocket money, that they earn doing chores, to buy it. Obviously I make sure that it's approved by our corporate overlords though so that whatever they get maximizes the potential brainwashing they'll receive.

QuinDixie

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

You're the sad one here obviously, you're so bitter! No I don't depend on others, but it's not sad. I'm sure as hell not going to range a weekly babysitter for something my kids actually enjoy & learn from!

What do they enjoy and what do they learn.

Flippyfloppy

QuinDixie wrote: »

What do they enjoy and what do they learn.

Figure it out yourself!